I know I will regret writing this article on several diferent levels. First, I am sticking my neck out by giving an approximate time line for several things to happen. If they don’t happen, you when then think I am a liar or at least a terrible prophet. I do not claim any gift of clairvoyance and I am really just expressing an opinion about the storm clouds gathering in the distance. Do they bring rain, snow, high winds or just a soft Spring shower? I don’t know. The next level I will probably regret saying what I do, will be the challenges I get about what I say about George H.W. Bush. About that, I can only say, you will have a hard time proving me wrong. This is not the subject of opinion but cold hard fact!
Yes, the National Defense Authorization Act passed and I sent a late night email to friends and family to let them know that we had entered a Brave New World. But, the more I thought about it, the more that I realized that it is time for us to crawl out of the SOMA induced narcissistic lifestyle which was Aldous Huxley’s main theme of the Brave New World. That is how we got here. It is living the 20th and 21st Century model of an advertising-based lifestyle that has so thoroughly deluded the thinking of Americans. I’ll go a step farther and say it is the cause of the destruction of the thinking process in America.
If you have not already watched SGT’s excellent mini-doc The Madness Of A Lost Society please watch it now: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOshw4kIGR4 and watch the sequel here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRvjufH29vE .
Remember when your kids were small or when you were small and you would ask about every 20 to 30 minutes, “Are we there yet?” Well, yes, Virginia, we are there. I could also make the case that it was purposely passed right before Christmas. Why? Because everybody is busy shopping, busy making plans to visit family, absorbed in what to buy Little Johnny, Little Susy, Granny, Gandpa the neighbors dog Spot. The majority of Americans are too busy to have to worry about what has just happened in this country. “Oh, my gosh, I forgot to buy something Becky, I don’t have time to watch the news. Besides it is so negative.” Or something to that effect. I know you have heard it.
I also know that you have heard at least one of the following: why are you always so negative? Don’t you think the people in Washington are smarter than you about the government? That would never happen in America. You must have heard or read that wrong. Oh, quit listening to that junk on the radio/internet. If it was true it would be on CBS/ABC/NBC. How many times have you heard don’t be silly, don’t be so negative, don’t be so paranoid, don’t be so critical?
Well, the NDAA passed, overwhelmingly, and it will be signed by Obama even though he swore he would not sign it and where does that leave you and I? Maybe, NOW, our family, friends, neighbors, church family, schoolmates, will believe us. Yeah, right. You will have more luck convincing your neighbors dog Spot, if you bought him his Christmas bone.
Well, couldn’t we just write our congressmen and women? We could write our senators, we could Occupy Wall Street again or maybe MLK Boulevard or, or, or nothing. I wrote about the only three solutions that will work in the article American Dictatorship. http://dont-tread-on.me/?p=10034 . There are no others.
You want to be proactive? Buy more gold, more silver, more freeze-dried or dehydrated food, more guns, more ammunition. You say you have enough for you, your retreat members and possible friends and family that drop in when the Sh*t Hits The Fan. Alright, go to the next level. Buy body armor, ballistic helmets, night vision scopes, RF-battery powered surveillance cameras, solar panels, more batteries for your electrical system.
“Wait a minute, wait a minute Codger are you off your meds?” Is that what you are thinking about now? Remember, there are three possible solutions to the LEGAL dictatorship in this country. There is only one person running in 2012 that will end the tyranny and if he wins the Republican nomination there will be several possible scenarios to play out.
Scenario number One: in September or October, remember the closer to the election the better, Michelle Obama and/or the girls will be assassinated. Obama will win by a sympathy vote.
Scenario number Two: war with Iran will be declared during the same time frame. The American public will immediately fall in behind the president and begin yelling Rah, Rah, Rah, nuke the raghead bastards and all kinds of crap along those lines. Obama will win because of the patriot fervor.
Scenario number Three: three missing nuclear warheads will be detonated in three major US metropolitan areas. (Possibly Los Angeles, New York and Chicago. Remember I hinted at this in When The Poop Hits the Oscillator.) Why these three? Maximum horror, huge death toll, huge number of injured, high visibility and all three are near navigable bodies of water, which makes transporting a stolen nuclear warhead easier. How do I know there are three missing nuclear warheads? I don’t Christmas shop or watch TV or wait for CBS/NBC/ABC to say something meaningful. Read here: http://petereyrepatch.blogspot.com/2010/03/us-and-uk-lost-three-nuclear-weapons.html . And here: http://www.paltelegraph.com/columnists/peter-eyre/4554-the-us-and-uk-lost-three-nuclear-weapons-each-part-2 . And here: http://engforum.pravda.ru/index.php?/topic/242650-camerons-missing-nuclear-bombs/ . He will win just like Bill Clinton after OKC because he appeared presidential. Whatever that means. Read here: http://uswgo.com/clintonite-obama-needs-okc-bombing-to-reconnect-with-the-american-people.htm and here: http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/lofiversion/index.php?t20764.html . And here: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/07/what_obama_needs_to_reverse_hi.html . Ad infinitum.
Scenario number Four: the Euro will crash in Spring or Summer of 2012 and behind it will be the US dollar. Another national emergency will be declared, then martial law. Thanks to the newly passed NDAA, the government will begin rounding up American dissenters. The American military will fracture and split at some point and time after this has taken place and the SHTF once again. Everyone will praise congress for being foresighted enough to pass such monumental legislation and the FEMA camps will begin filling up after GITMO is full. Obama will win by declaration or patriotic fervor or vote fraud, take your pick.
Scenario number Five: Ron Paul wins the election and is sworn in. Rainbows will appear in the sky, bluebirds of happiness will land on everyone’s shoulders and the lion will lay down with the lamb. Yeah, Right!
Scenario number Five A: Ron Paul will win the election and will be assassinated before taking office.
Scenario number Five A1: Ron Paul is elected, sworn in and later assassinated like George Herbert Walker Bush (George Scherf) tried to do to Ronald Reagan, who used the son of his business partner, John Hinkley, John Hinkley, Jr. was a part MK/Ultra experiments. Yes, attempted assassination by the vice-president because it was later reported by the Bethesda Naval Hospital doctor that treated Reagan, offline, that a flechette was taken from near the aorta of Ronald Reagan. I know no other group in the world that would use a flechette in a close range assassination other than the CIA. I don’t know of anyone who can corroborate this with the possible exception of Bo Gritz who was at the Defense intelligence Agency at the time. He may or may not be able to do this if he wants to. So, if any of you know Colonel Bo you might ask him if I am telling you the truth. It is your chance to prove me a liar.
Scenario number Five B: Immediately after Ron Paul is elected and maybe even after he is sworn in the economy will be imploded (yes, Virginia, they can do things like that). I put these three together because the outcome will be the same anyway. I honestly believe that if Ron Paul is assassinated or the economy implodes at that time, then the end result will be revolution.
After I left the military I informed my family that I thought George Herbert Walker Bush was the devil’s messiah. Everyone thought I was crazy, probably still do, but that does not change the facts of what the man did, has had done or authorized.
Why was JFK assassinated? You know the answers to that. He fired Allen W. Dulles from the CIA and authorized the printing of United States Notes to bypass the Federal Reserve, authorized the silver certificate and silver coinage and currency to continue and ordered the military to withdraw all personnel from Southeast Asia by January 1965. What was it that LBJ undid by Executive Order while on Air Force One immediately after being sworn in? Removed silver from circulation, escalated Vietnam and beefed up the CIA before setting foot on the ground as president.
Why was Ronald Reagan targeted for assassination? Didn’t you listen to his radio shows? He was going to reinstitute the gold standard in America. He even had industrialist J. Peter Grace look into the feasibility and implementation of it. Oddly, enough, the gold standard was rejected by REAGAN after his near assassination. Mr. Grace’s report instead just dealt with the federal debt.
I know what you’re gonna say. “Where are you going with this? Do you have a point?” Yes, I do. The CIA, Skulls and Bones conspirators, the Nazi Bush family, Dick(head) Cheney’s Halliburton, NSA’s Special Operations Group, The Fifth Column, someone will try to kill Ron Paul. And, if Ron Paul survives, then the Federal Reserve will work overtime to crash the economy, which face it, they are doing everything in their power to make last until the November election. But no matter what, the Bilderbergers are scared to death that the American people might wake up and vote for Ron Paul en masse.
Now here comes my modified Hippocratic Oath. If you bought food for a year for your family, if your have a refuge which is debt free, if you have invested in gold and silver, purchased firearms and ammunition and followed all the other things that I have tried to teach, I will have done you no harm. Your gold and silver will always be worth something. Your guns and ammunition will appreciate. You will be out of debt and have food to eat in case of any emergency or you can just eat the food on a daily basis when the rainbows appear in the sky, the bluebirds of happiness land on everyone’s shoulders and the lion lies down with the lamb.
But if the lion starts drooling while looking at the lamb and there suddenly appears to be a white spot on your shoulder where the bluebird was, then you might want to think about bugging out.
Please keep our country, our leaders, our friends and family in our prayers and may 2012 be the year the republic is restored.
p.s. please forget the Left-Right paradigm long enough to laugh with me at the following video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkzV5AIK8iM
Keep stacking and keep packing because 2012 is going to be one hell of a ride.
Un tres bon sejour.
>> Why was Ronald Reagan targeted for assassination?
This means that all 3-letter shops are working not for the Gov, which would be bad enough for the people, but not even for the Unites States – they follow orders given outside of the US and definitely NOT in the interests of the US. Whowudathunk?
Good luck to all the freedom-loving Americans.
There is one more scenario that is covered implicitly by you i.e. America keeps passing more and more sanctions against Iran. Iran economy is seriously hurt. Iran has no choice but to attack aka Pearl Harbor.
There is one more scenario possible: We see a deflation continuing for few weeks. Then FED starts QE3. We have hyper-inflation. Then USA defaults on its debt. USA then has a new currency backed by gold and silver. The good guys win, but most people have lost almost everything and are in debt. The people with physical gold and silver become rich.
We have the European Arrest Warrant by-the-way, CC. They could package-off a Brit to Bulgaria, Poland, an EU island or wherever in the EU if they chose to.
Complete treason by the politicos to agree to that . Habeus Corpus etc has been dead for a while in big brother central.
@vi
That’s Number Five. LOL
It’s getting pretty sport out there.
CC, another heartfelt article. All scenarios are possible. Something is going to break soon, the question is what, when and how (to whom). One thing that happens is because of our programming, we tend to think of things on a National Level (American). The elite are global, and so is/are the Hegemon. The henchmen are the technocrats, bureaucrats, bankers, corporations and elected officials, all bought and paid for (Notice how those all now could be considered interchangable, to some extent). This struggle is about global governance and how the elite intends to institute it and how free people resist. Its about freedom and tyrrany. This could happen without a shot being fired, similar to what happened in Russia in 1914, 1915 and 1916. The aftermath could be similar as well. We could have a history lesson on all the evils of the last 100 years from a political standpoint. What we must all remember is that for the last several centuries, most of the death and evil inflicted upon man (and it has been alot) has been by man to his fellow man. All in an attempt for one group to control another. This struggle is not different. Except for one thing, we have the internet. Similar to the Guggenheim Press, there is an alternative way to receive and diseminate information, that is much faster and efficient than any other method of communication prior, with less ability to commandeered as a propaganda outlet. Most likely, one of the reasons the timelines to institute the NWO have been moved up is because of the free flow of information and the fact that the sheeple are getting restless. War is imminent, its the best way to institute the change. Out of chaos, order. We have so many wars going at one time and over the last few decades, its a wonder war has not ventured onto American soil. And considering we may have the best soil………..
I could rant and ramble forever. Probably does not matter one way or another. What does matter is that we have sites like this, and people like you. And that we all have prepared and intend to survive. And survive we will, regardless of the loss thats iminent. The question will be, when do we stand together against the tyrrany that so pervades our lives?
CC, keep blogging, keep stackin, packin and prepping. You are in inspiration to many, certainly to me.
Oh yeah, I forgot one thing: END THE FED.
CC, as always, your insights, coupled with your history, is most direct and informative. I and my whole immediate family truly appreciate your work here, Thank you. May God be with us and help us all.
About JFK I would add:
“However, two years later, Kennedy decided to take on the oil industry. On 16th October, 1962, Kennedy was able to persuade Congress to pass an act that removed the distinction between repatriated profits and profits reinvested abroad. While this law applied to industry as a whole, it especially affected the oil companies. It was estimated that as a result of this legislation, wealthy oilmen saw a fall in their earnings on foreign investment from 30 per cent to 15 per cent.
On 17th January, 1963, President Kennedy presented his proposals for tax reform. This included relieving the tax burdens of low-income and elderly citizens. Kennedy also claimed he wanted to remove special privileges and loopholes. He even said he wanted to do away with the oil depletion allowance. It is estimated that the proposed removal of the oil depletion allowance would result in a loss of around $300 million a year to Texas oilmen.
After the assassination of Kennedy, President Lyndon B. Johnson dropped the government plans to remove the oil depletion allowance. Richard Nixon followed his example and it was not until the arrival of Jimmy Carter that the oil depletion allowance was removed.”
http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKoildepletion.htm
@Marz
I could not agree more. JFK cut the middle class tax burden by almost 50%,he fought the distinction between old oil and new oil and pushed taxation on the repatriatization of funds and the tax receipts went up by almost 200%. Wait a minute, wasn’t this guy a Democrat? or was he an American? Sometimes, in order to get a patriot you have to call a silk purse a sow’s ear. Look at the beating Ron Paul is taking. I started watching the 19 minutes video and I had to quit. I detest Megyn Kelly, Chris Wallace looks like someone who has just kissed a mule’s ass, and Neil Cavuto makes me sick just to look at him. I lasted maybe 5 mintes tops. To get Ron Paul as President we have to call him a Republican (sow’s ear) but he is a silk purse in my book. Comprende?
rainmaker…a possible scenerio for “war not venturing onto American soil” is the fact that they need a place to live. far from the turmoil…in a beautiful place with plenty of resources for all. (all of them, that is.)
here is an interesting little story from my backyard…bear with me.
this past week, the Mountain Water Co. sold to a corp. called the “Carlyle Group”.
The talk/sale had been back and forth for a year or so that someone wanted to buy it but no name was disclosed until the deal was nearly “done”. The MW Co. is in an extremely progressive left-wing community that is full of 5013c environmental orgs that suck the life out of the American taxpayer and want to dictate how we live and work.
Don’t cut a tree, don’t walk on the grass, stay on the trails, don’t make any noise, don’t pee in the water, don’t kill the wolves, abortion is OK, sex offenders can be rehabilitated.. even after the third offense. Well you can imagine the outrage. Lights, camera, action!!! “Will the community have the op to buy our water co.! it’s our water blah, blah, blah! We don’t want a big corp. buying our water!!!
Suddenly it’s sold…to a huge corp.! Nothing on the local news…not a peep from the enviros…holy hell! where is the retribution, the lawsuits, the injunctions!!!
Just a small article in 2 of the most powerful left wing rags in the nation “looking out for the ratepayer” and the largest Enviro group, “supporting the sale”
This group is just one of 1300!, 501 3c’s in this city of about 60K people…who live off the American taxpayer every year…I can’t believe in my wildest dream that the enviros just let this pass!!!
So I’m thinking to myself, CG?…CG?…where have I heard that before.
So I googled CG to find out who they are and what they do…I believe that anyone who’s interested, has enough info to further investigate “another conspiracy/coincidence.”
ok, I must be a right-winger to expose all of this left-wing crap…enter the right-wing…(same bird has 2 wings!)
Carlyle “Group”…the worlds largest equity firm… Well, hell its the bush family and a boatload of whose who on the elite right, roths too…imagine that!
Funny how suddenly we can all get along…CG to enviros…”we are going to buy whatever we want, whenever we want, anytime we want…and if you fuck with us we’ll cut off your funding from the taxpayer…now go find a tree to hug and keep our water clean till we get here.”
I’m getting tired of all of these coincidences. I have watched this happen time and time again for nearly 20 years…But hey…thats fuckin thin.
Codger…you just keep bustin our asses…with what’s on the horizon…we’re gonna need it!
God bless us all…and please keep Ron safe and make him our next president in 2012…
@lastmanstanding
No surprise really….roths been funding the enviro’s all along. Enviros provide lots of excuses for “global governance”. Now that the Global Warming hoax exposure has likely killed their chances for cap and trade billions in USA, they might be doing a little consolidating.
Lastmanstanding, get your point, and agree. Sorry to be so indirect. We are already at war, albeit, less conventional. And the prize……American soil. Its all for sale and being bought up, as well as our childrens future labor.
@ CC
Yes, something wicked this way comes….but what?
All your scenarios are possible.
Was expecting #3 (false flag) this year, but several likely dates passed peacefully. Guess we’ve been lucky. They may know something natural (superquake etc.) is coming to provide a valid excuse instead, AND/OR there is some internal discord between the powerz. In my opinion, if this one doesn’t happen in or before Spring 2012, probability decreases rapidly after that.
I don’t see how they avoid a Euro crash before election day, but they have surprised me before. A “New Europe” perhaps?
If Ron gets the nomination, do you think he should beware of accidents or medical problems BEFORE the final election? I doubt O’Bummer would be wanting to debate him.
@Snowleopard
It is the other way arund. The closer you get to November the greater the probability “Something” will happen.
Know this. The Department of Energy, which is the old Atomic Energy Commission, did testing to determine the feasibilty of triggering earthquake, along known faults, with small nuclear warheads. I would bet that if you googled that some way you would find it. I worked with DOE from 1989 to 1994 and the Texas National Research Labaroatory Commission, which was the Texas equivalent agency set up to “monitor” the Superconducting Super Collider from 1994 to 1997. We were working on tunneling and you run into a lot of folks with similar backgrounds just different experiences. We ran into numerous people (100′s)who involved with not only with nuclear testing, my parent company ran the Nuclear Test Facility for the government in Nevada, who swore earthquake stimulation had been conducted by the US government as a possible weapon.
Add all that up, shake, bake, and give it to a psycho and what do you have? A recipe for disaster. Maybe the solar maximum will stimulate a massive earthquake without help. Piers Corbyn predicts earthquakes using the Sun and the Moon and does quite well. But, once again, the solar maximum is in December and into 2013.
@ CC
Hope you are correct, to the extent there might be more time to prepare. I would like to get another pasture cleared, purchase more goats, and build a barn by this summer.
With your extensive nuclear industry sources, you probably have more pieces to the puzzle than i. Am reluctantly revising upward my assesment of the nuclear attack threat to cities after March-June
I didn’t consider covert use of nukes on the fault lines. The official push to prepare in the New Madrid area followed new hazard studies, appearing on the surface to be rational. I have been watching the quakes, sinkholes, methane releases, etc. in this area for some years. We might agree that, although seismic pressure is building, precursor quakes suggest it could be awhile before a natural release (months to years). Can’t be sure though. If it happens early, it will be hard to know if it was natural, since there are many nuclear plants in the area likely to have “incidents” in a large quake.
Lastly, thanks for posting this, and reminding us all of the urgent need to be prepared. If none of this happens, i won’t be angry, i’ll be surprised, relieved and happy; everything i’m doing to prepare will be usefull anyway.
@Snowleopard
THank you, thank you. I think people at times feel that I write articles because I WANT to see these things happen. I would be the happiest fool on the planet if NONE of this stuff happens. I say what I do, face to face, on the phone or in an article because, IF, just IF, it does happen the emergency won’t catch you with your pants down. That is why I was very reluctant to post this article. But, my wife said I should and I had a conversation with Planet Prisoner Friday night and without even discussing this article he said things that made me re-evaluate my motivation for not posting it. I’m sure PP doesn’t even know that he did that for me.
Next, congratulations. Your are ahead of me on livestock, I guess. We lost our chickens to coyotes and coons. We have not yet purchased any other livestock. After watching the National Geographic Doomsday Prepper show on YouTube my wife and I have decided to raise Tilapia. I hope we have enough time to get this done in the spring. We have also decided on a sheep variety that sounds good to us and that is Katahdin. I’m still not sold on goats but soon may be. I also plan an buying more horses but the horses I want won’t be available until mid summer. See my problem? I really do travel to much and I hate to have other people taking care of my livestock. Our group has horses in Louisiana but we need to post someone permanently in NM and begin transporting the livestock there. That is why I said Spring.
Good luck to everyone.
Tilapia is the second most farm raised fish in the world after salmon. I make a mean tilapia and champagne-dill cream sauce. Tilapia is a great choice for your fish to raise. I highly recommend it.
Here is a fish factoid for ya…. Tilapia is also called “Shekel-fish” or St. Peter’s fish, depending which side of the crusades you were on.
Don’t forget that Tilapia is great for the aquaponics venture. Raise the fish to feed the hydroponic veggies and the hydroponic veggies clean the water for the fish. It takes time, but it develops its own balance if its big enough (the videos go into this). See the you tube videos by Murray Hallams. Because of the scarcity of water in Australia, this form of raising both meat (fish) and veggies has been wildly successful in conserving water and is being implemented in the third world. You can feed a lot of people on very little area if you utilize and balance well the eco system you create with this system.
You can make your own system with 3 IBC’s (the large plastic containers with cages around them used around the world for food/chemical products). I’d use the food ones
@THankful
Thanks for the tip on the videos. I used to be in the commercial greenhouse business. What I was going to do is excavate a 10′W x 40′L x 5′D and use a DPM liner inside of my greenhouse and then do exactly as you said. Use the water to feed my plants. I am not a beef eater nor a big milk drinker, my wife does not drink milk at all. Some of my family uses milk so we will have to have a milk source but I have years worth of powdered milk stored already. My meat needs ar limited to fish, chicken and pork. I trap hogs, raise chickens until recently and now after trying Tilapia we will raise Tilapia. So even though we have freeze dried foods for years and our own home canned foods we were deficient in livestock. But once again, I travel too much at this time. I will be curtailing this travel in 2012 and “dig in” in 2012. No matter what happens in 2012 I believe it will be one hell of a ride.
I agree. Thanks cc. The greenhouse idea is definitely a good one.
There is no way in hell 2012 does not turn out to be hell.
Great essay CC, don’t regret your writings they are and/or will help many folks with an eye to read and see or an ear to hear. Keep up the good work!
CC, Great article once again. I look forward to your writings. How about an article on what you think the first week of a collapse will look like. My bugout is 6 hours away, and am wondering if I’ll be able to drive their without road closings and looters. I don’t fear for myself, but my family. We are prepared to fight (1lessonselfdefense.com), but not against a mob. Thanks again!
@Coach David
That is a tall order. I will think about it but I can’t promise anything. You have to do a week under each scenario or similar scenarios. Like your site by the way.
Pre-plan numerous escape (E&E) routes. Plan on using local access routes rather than major arteries. James Wesley, Rawles has a good breakdown of a collapse scenario in his book Patriots.
The biggest things to remember; most people will believe the government lies and stay in their homes and call 911 in case of an emergency. The normalcy bias kicks in and most people will not believe there is an emergemcy (“Night” by Elie Weisel). Once people do start to panic they will clog major arteries out of metro areas. If all roads are blocked locate the drainage system and evac out of the city using the drainage system. If there is a body of water going through your town or city be prepared to evac out using the waterway to at least get you out of Dodge.
Prestock your retreat, keep your bugout bags near your door prepacked. Have spares in each vehicle.
I have probably read every economic collapse and EMP post apocalypse book (including self published books) that have been written (including all 3 of Rawles books), just to get an idea of what the end result of this whole mess might look like. I also read one of your other posts that was quite alarming. You mentioned (if I can remember) that you thought two thirds of the population would perish. I’m not sure if anyone else picked up on this number, but I sure did. It pretty much goes along with other post apocalypse writings. Have you read the book Shutdown by W.R. Flynn (Amazon Kindle Edition CreateSpace)? I think that he pretty much nails the lead up to an economic collapse with the final nail being a massive bank run that literally shuts everything down within 24 hours. This is what I am trying to figure out. If the crash will happen overnight or over a period of time. Thanks for your time. I’m glad you enjoyed my site! Coach David
@CC
Sorry, been cleaning malware that got through one firewall and took down the other, it also ate up most of my optional computer time for awhile.
We have coyotes and coons too, and several kinds of weasels. Went through a lot of shotgun shells till we got enough dogs trained. Our chicken losses are now under 2% last few years. Coon and weasel presence went way down. We are also experimenting with geese, and lost several to the coyotes. They are fine in a fenced paddock at night with one dog, but i learned that on open pasture the coyotes will decoy or overwhelm one dog.
Usually, for best results, livestock guard dogs are raised with the stock they will be guarding, and this can be time intensive at first. But acceptable results for cooped or penned chickens can be had if the coops/pens/runs are enclosed within the dogs’ territory. YMMV. Haven’t had to put a coop in the goose area, but that should help also, if necessary. I’d like to raise pastured meat fowl (chickens and geese) with the goats in the summer, if/when i have enough good guard dogs and tight fence.
My pasture cannot support sheep yet, and i don’t know too much about them ATP, but that Katahdin breed does look interesting. Am just getting started with goats, when i feel confident enough, i’m planning to add some registered Kikos.
Thanks for mentioning the Nat Geo video. Hadn’t seen it. Was quite impressed with the pool/fish/greenhouse setup. Don’t need dogs for fish either! Also surprised they actually ran a factual preppersode on MSM.