Occupy Psychopaths

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14 comments to Occupy Psychopaths

  • Although I don’t deny that those within TPTB are sociopaths, it is a shame that this little college punk, dressed in couple of hundred dollars of trendy clothing falls so quickly for the left/right paradigm.

    We must also be careful of any attempt to make other groups seem less than human or mentally diseased. That technique is vintage Goebbels. “it is OK to inter the Jews because they are mentally deficient” can easily turn to “its ok to kill anyone with a big house or money in the bank because he/she must be a banker and a sociopath” or the other side of that coin “its ok to inter the red neck patriots because after all, anyone who waves a flag and watches NASCAR is clearly mentally deficient and a danger to themselves and society at large”

    French revolution and death camps stuff….

  • Mustafa Cohen

    @GoldSaver:

    falls so quickly for the left/right paradigm

    Hm. I did not notice that.

    If I saw what you saw, I would have never considered this video worthy of your attention. Here’s why it has been posted:

    I don’t support OWS, as organizations, groups and movements are an illusion: there are only individuals. This guy makes the most sense of them all by not calling to hang anyone, not demanding that anyone wipes his bum. Instead, I hear him saying that no matter how you identify yourself (left, American, vegetarian), this identity is managed by psychopaths.

    He mentions that, compared to money and resources that the Operators have, we have nothing except knowledge and truth, and the only way to change things is through education – which he not only talks about, but might actually be doing among the OWS people.

    In short, compare him to the Priceless guy.

    We must also be careful of any attempt to make other groups seem less than human or mentally diseased

    Where’s the line between freedom of speech and censorship? Trying to shut others up = trying to control the world. This leads to bloodbath and invariable failure. The sane choice is between listening to him and ignoring him.

    About “less than human”: there was a time when Neanderthals chose to stay what they were, and others went on to become humans. The same fork might be happening today: “I want” primates vs “We need” primates. Should we be politically correct and not talk about the options we have?

    I heard no violence, no demands, no anger in this video – this was so surprising that I wanted to share.

  • Ben

    I would agree with Mustafa. I don’t see this at all. This guy resonates with me a great deal. I have actually been amongst some of the “occupiers” in my city because I wan to go to the source and see what they have to say. A lot of them don’t get it or are actually statists. There are however, a small minority like the gentlemen above. In my experience,I do know one thing, the occupiers are open to listening to people if you approach them in the right manner. So perhaps a man, or individual such as the one in the video is just the right person to educate a lot of these people and bring them into the light. I would suspect this person shown in the clip is a lot like the individuals on this site.

    I must say, in the last few weeks I have seen a certain arrogance on this site. I would include myself in that morass of individuals. I have come to the conclussion that it is time to double my efforts and actions…..instead of posting on a website about what “is or isn’t true” and condeming others because they do not think like I do….it’s not constructive.

    Have a happy holidays everyone.

  • Silver Shield

    There are only two kinds of people in this would; those that want to be left alone and those that won’t leave you alone…

  • Aganstthegrain

    “Although I don’t deny that those within TPTB are sociopaths, it is a shame that this little college punk, dressed in couple of hundred dollars of trendy clothing falls so quickly for the left/right paradigm.”

    Did you actualy watch the entire video?

  • @againstthegrain- I must admit that I shut him off after the first 5 minutes or so. Once he started spouting the “fox news is biased” and “that is what happened to republicans” line, I mentally shut him off. I am an anarchist so left/right is truly two sides of the same crap sandwich to me but, once someone starts down that line I tend to ignore them since it has become “my gang of thieves is better than your gang of thieves”

    @mustafa – I am not seeking to shut him up. Freedom of speech means he is free to say whatever he wants, it does not means I have to listen or not warn others as to the danger of the rhetoric.

    @ben – Yes, I sometimes come across as arrogant. I am willing to have long drawn out conversations with anyone who uses reason and logic and I am willing to defend my positions. I am not willing to say that since X is entitled to their opinion I am required to agree with it. I am not weak minded enough to fall for that. I am also unwilling to replace my opinions and conclusions for someone else’s based on kindness or courtesy. If you can make a logical argument backed with facts, I will be willing to listen. Otherwise, well opinions are like…..

    I gain no value from mindless back and forth with anyone with an internet account. I have no way to know if I am having a conversation with a 14 year old valley girl quoting from the Huffington Post or an expert in constitutional law beyond their arguments and facts.

    We are all here voluntarily having a conversation and hoping to learn from each other.

    If a person brings logic and facts, bravo. If they bring their opinion, I will take it at face value.

  • Ben

    Your comments would seem to indicate that you are not here to learn. It would seem that it is your way or the highway. You posted to againsthegrain that you lost him because he said “Fox News is biased”…wellllll….they are biased! And they fabricate a lot of stories! They are a construct of the right. Just like MSNBC or CNN is a construct of the left. They all lie! I hope to God you don’t actually watch any of that craptacular stuff. You are right about one thing, ‘R’s’ and ‘D’s’ are two sides of the same coin….or crap sammich.

    The comment about arrogance has to do with some of the members on this site. If we are all so enlightened, then why are we always so quick to condemn one another or people out in the real world. Take the kid in the video. Is he not one of your fellow countrymen? A lot of the stuff he was speaking about seems to have found it’s way into Chris’ videos. I guess it is just better to write him off eh? He’s a punk and deserves no quarter? Fuck em’ all! Right? If they are too stupid to figure things out then they get what they deserve! Stupid little college bastards! Yeah!

  • Mustafa Cohen

    @ Ben:

    >> Take the kid in the video. Is he not one of your fellow countrymen?

    That was exactly my point when posting: finally, someone trying to find his own answers. He may be a bit too sure that he knows The Answer, but at least he found it himself. Which is no small feat for someone fresh out of the education machine.

    It’s not knowing the answer – it’s making peace with the limits of your knowledge that makes you a sane human being.

    @ Gold Saver:

    The Priceless Guy and the government guys are under the impression that they know everything; that they are right come hell or high water. This is a troubling sign. The guy in the video, in contrast, in interested in learning.

    Again, freedom of speech implies freedom to say anything and freedom to disagree with anything. Being color-blind, I can’t make you see what I see :) Whatever you think is right, is right.

  • jim koconis

    isn’t everyone a psychopath? ‘psychopath’ simply means soul-sickness. to be able to identify this quality in someone else requires that we first [ at some time or another] have recognized it in ourselves. i hope everyone who troubles themselves to makes this accusation against someone also troubles themselves with the responsibility of furnishing a loving remedy.

  • Mustafa Cohen

    @ jim koconis:

    I replaced one word in and removed one word from your comment:

    ‘bronchitis’ simply means sickness. to be able to identify this quality in someone else requires that we first [ at some time or another] have recognized it in ourselves.

  • jim koconis

    hi mustafa – the flaw in your critique is that ‘bronchitis’ is the result of something foreign entering the body from outside and then damaging the body. psychopathic behavior does not result from something acting on the body. it is the result of a man’s spirit acting on his soul. it is a condition of solely internal dynamics, damaging a man from within. this damage need not manifest itself in the body. it very often disguises itself with a variety of masks so that it may hide its true nature for the purpose of social acceptance. Is this what bronchitis does? of course not! the nature of a man’s soul is not hinged to the body at all. Bronchitis does not have intentionality or purpose. Purpose resides in the heart [soul] of man and can/does degrade his life. This is something everyone can understand because all people are combating the very same sickness at virtually every instant of their conscious existence. in fact, isn’t the recognition of this battle that gives us all a consciousness to begin with? think about it…to see or recognize psychopathic behavior is only possible because you and i have experienced it ourselves. we cannot see it as it is itself [it’s an internal condition], but we are intimately familiar with the masks and garments it hides behind, because we all have done the very same things ourselves. i know you know this mustafa, because everyone knows this – we are all the same fundamentally. you, me…everyone.

  • Mustafa, et al:

    Fair enough, perhaps I was to quick at judging him.

    My visceral reaction was not really directed at him personally, but at the whole “the other side is mentally ill..” bit. I have heard everything from “racist tea baggers” to “depraved fag going to hell because G_d commands it” crap so often that I am turned off by most of my “fellow countrymen” who would throw my family into the lions den for some extra scraps of government cheese if they could just be told that I belong to the other camp.

    I am a student of history. Not for the entertainment value but in order to see ahead. If A led to B in the past, there is a distinct possibility that under similar circumstances it will again. If you study the pre WWII and during WWII psychology of the German population you will find two very clear characteristics. The almost genetic acceptance of orders from the government combined with a sense of powerlessness and a xenophobic hate of anyone who is not in their camp.

    Sadly, I see my “fellow countrymen” behaving the same way. Our rugged individualism has been replaced with an almost European resignation to the whip.

  • Mustafa Cohen

    @ jim koconis:

    Thank you for your patience and the time you invest in clarifying your position.

    You are right, bronchitis and psychological disorders are different in nature. What makes them similar for my purposes is that they both have causes that we not always know about, but can see the results.

    One of my uncles pulled the following trick right in front of me in mid-1980s: someone he knew wanted to sell a video camera, someone else he knew wanted to buy a video camera. He made about $200 in an hour it took him to drive to the seller, buy the camera, drive to the buyer, sell the camera. I would give them each other’s phone numbers: it’s shorter, simpler, and cleaner overall. If the price for optimization is the removal of me, I am fine with it.

    I think that trying to dictate one’s will to others and/or parasitize on fellow inmates is a symptom of serious issues. You don’t need to torture cats to know that someone who does it is not entirely healthy.

    @ GoldSaver:

    >> I am a student of history. Not for the entertainment value but in order to see ahead. <<

    This is why I can't stop reading Plutarch, Livy, Tacitus, Suetonius, Polybius: they describe more or less every imaginable situation with causes and outcomes.

  • Ben

    “Sadly, I see my “fellow countrymen” behaving the same way. Our rugged individualism has been replaced with an almost European resignation to the whip.”

    I see them every day and it is infuriating. I used to cast them off, now, try as I might, I try to educate them and find common ground. Most of the time, it never works and seems to be an exercise in futility. Other times, and this is happening more and more, I can reach someone. And that is very satisfying. Most of them are young, and if they go and tell there little collectivist friends, perhaps I can change a few skulls of mush.

    Psychopaths. I have actually had the opportunity to share some of the same space with a person like this that was described in the video. She hit on all cylinders of a psychopath’s traits. “Superficial charm and above average intelligence”….”Absence of delusions and other signs of irrational thinking”…etc. etc.

    I hope to God no one ever experiences that adventure.

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