Silver Shield Report #17- Freedom In The Next Paradigm

Today we have a very spirited discussion about our legal freedom in this and the next paradigm.  I am joined today one of our members Judge Joe Secola and he and I will go through topics like Allodial Title, Tax Law, Sovereignty, the Bill of Rights, and the very basis for our Freedom.  I learned a lot in this discussion and it dispelled many myths on the internet.  It is my hope that we develop this discussion much like our Founding Fathers did prior to their Revolution.

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7 comments to Silver Shield Report #17- Freedom In The Next Paradigm

  • MPB

    This was a good exchange and I found it helpful and informative. The “roundup” discussion at the end was also good. Chris, I know Silver is a passion with you, and though I am aware of “The Crime of 1873” as it came to be known, I, personally, wouldn’t mind more elaboration on this and how it affected and caused the great depression back then. I don’t disagree that it caused the harm to the average person, making their debts harder to payoff etc., it’s just I don’t fully grasp how it happened? I believe it was related to the legal gold silver price ratio ( gov price?) but silver coins continued to be minted by the various US mints and the coins circulated. Just thought this might be an interesting topic and maybe bring it full circle to where we are now, 2012, with silver. Thanks again!

  • Marvin Motsenbocker

    Thanks. This was very informative. As you mentioned a couple times, the founding fathers used many meetings over some years to get it right. I hope that you return to this topic (how about a panel discussion eventually?) over and over with greater precision until specifics are worked out. By the way, Virginia is an “east coast state” but we have very good concealed weapons laws and our politics are less corrupt (in my opinion) than most. Further, we have lots of isolated land with great resources………….. and a government that last I knew was studying how to overcome the Federal Reserve fiasco by making a state currency….. thanks again and I look forward to the next……………………

  • Richard Dumanowski

    A “defensible community” becomes a fixed fortification. To defend an independant community against psycopath controlled state funded gangs would seem to require mobile fortifications like tanks. Currently armored vehicles are manned by National Guard forces. What examples of local malitias have that kind of mobile defence. The Swiss example of every male trained to use the arms stored in their home didn’t show any guy with a armored car in his garage. Who wants to plan to organize local police and county sherrif authority for the protection of the local citizens? Both the long time residents and the “New commers” who have all the silver money.

    • Richard, let me take a stab here. Lets agree as fact that no small community can defend itself from a state funded Army. Any illusions to the contrary would be suicide. Even if a community had the resources to repel a ground armored force, a few BLU-52 bombs would end the dispute.

      Short of that you would have two basic opponents, the roving criminal gangs and the neighboring micro-states. The roving gangs can be easily defeated by proper defensive plans. From time immemorial small fiefdoms have resisted assaults from outside forces. From fortifications to modern defensive combat multipliers, there are many methods to do so.

      The micro-states should not need to be fought. Remember that the most effective tool of peace is trade. No community will attack a community they need to trade with. Even at the nation state level, this has remained true through history.

      But, lets assume that a defensive force must be organized. Such a force will at first be manned by “able” volunteers in the community. After several weeks this will get old. People need to produce in order to eat and standing guard is not productive in and of itself. At that point private contractors will emerge within the community that will, for a fee, provide for community defense full time while allowing the rest of the community to return to production. The latest examples would be private security forces in Argentina or VIP protection worldwide. At a smaller scale, you have gated communities with local security forces. Although current security forces are not suited to armed conflict, it is not because the concept does not lend itself to it, but simply because the need has not reared its ugly head. Once a community sees the need for a full time armed force, the market will bring it forth. Specially in a prosperous community.

      Who would organize the “new comers”? They will. If a new comer wants to eat, he will have to work. Some would have marketable skills (doctors, power production, farmers) while others will not and will take jobs in the security forces.

      In fiction you can also find several examples. Look at the “loonies” in “The moon is a harsh mistress” for examples.

  • Norman Auger

    On 21 February 1848 the Communist Manifesto, written by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engles, was published in London. Hard to recall any other document from history that has shed so much blood.
    However, I find it wryly amusing, in a sort of gallows-humor way, that in supposedly capitalist and anti-socialist America, all ten planks of the Communist Manifesto are written into law & daily practiced, to wit:
    1. Abolition of private property & application of all rents of land to public purposes. If you believe you own property, just ignore the property tax bill & see if the real owner doesn’t show up. And, what’s that thing called “zoning”?
    2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
    3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance. We call it an estate tax.
    4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants & rebels. We call it government seizures, tax liens, & anti-terrorism laws.
    5. Centralization of credit in th! e hands of the state by means of a national bank with State c! apital & ! an exclusive monopoly. Behold, I give you the Federal Reserve system.
    6. Centralization of the means of communication & transportation in the hands of the State. Think FCC & DOT & ICC and FAA and driver’s licenses.
    7. Extension of factories & instruments of production owned by the state, bringing into cultivation of waste lands, & improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan. Think “state sponsored enterprises”, Department of Agriculture, Dept of Commerce & Labor, Dept. of Interior, EPA, BLM, etc., etc.
    8. Equal liability of all to labor. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture. Think minimum wage laws and social security & again, the Department of Agriculture.
    9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries, gradual abolition of the distinction between town & country, by a more equitable distribution of population over the country. Think “factories in the fie! ld” which the Dept. of Agriculture has been pushing since the 1930s, zoning, & government control of manufacturing and agriculture. The “more equitable distribution” has meant depopulation of the countryside.
    10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production. I don’t know about y’all, but in Tennessee we have these outfits called “public schools.” Maybe y’all don’t have those up north. And if you haven’t realized it yet, all that state sponsored “higher” education is nothing more than vocational training for white collar workers.
    COMRADES! We have met the communists, & they are us!
    Argentum et aurum comparanda sunt —
    Silver and gold must be bought.
    — Franklin Sanders, The Moneychanger

  • James Tetreault

    Fascinating discussion. One thing that should be kept in mind is the different taxation methods of different states. Sales tax, income tax and property taxes are the three primary taxes, I think, by which state and local governments are funded.

    My first impression is that we would like to be in a state where the taxation is more at the local, property tax level than at the state, sales and income tax level.

    At one point, this described New Hampshire but the granite state now has a business profits tax and another tax that was instituted because judges legislating from the bench forced additional state expenditures to be made to somehow even out educational opportunities.

    At any rate, the nature of state and local funding should be a factor considered when trying to decide where to go.

    This site has an interesting comparison of which taxes different states rely on, though the data is 3 years old:

  • Golden Ratio

    IMO … the best way to victory is to starve the beast. Stop paying taxes to the extent you are willing and able. The Pols did this and defeated the Communist with little violence. This top down system of control lives and breathes off of our compliance. Stop complying with the system when ever and where ever you may.

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