Silver Shield Report #28- Bridging The Generational Gap #2

Last weeks Silver Shield Report really kicked the hornets nest and was the most commented Report we have done. I think we did a good job of breaking through this Generational barrier and I wanted to continue the conversation in this Report with Bill (Last Man Standing) and Josh (Into the Void.) (I think it is very telling that Last Man Standing represents the Boomers and his deep feeling that they are the last group that made something and Into the Void represents the Millenials where there is really nothing for them to work towards.)  I had thought based on the emails exchanged before this conversation it was going to be a steel cage match between the two of these passionate men, but it turned out really positive and give me great hope for the future.

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22 comments to Silver Shield Report #28- Bridging The Generational Gap #2

  • trent mcquarrie

    Hey Chris,thanks for the info.I was wondering if there were any other Canadians in the SSR.

  • AnnieWade

    I wanted to say a couple of things about generations:

    First, because of the cycle of life I suppose, love flows downhill. How many people out there love their parents more than their children? The older ones feel the love for the younger ones more than the younger ones feel the love for the older ones.

    Second, I don’t think younger generations want to be mentored or taught by older generations. Think about this, when I was young I did many amazing things and my husband did even more amazing things. When we got together at age 21 we did some pretty amazing things together! Who wants to hear about those things? Some young ones in our families know a bit and that’s about it!

    The reason I’m mentioning this is that we did things about which we are proud and we did them alone! I know for a fact that most of those possibilities are not options for people in this generation. They have iPods and that’s about it!

    What we need to convey to the younger generation is that they have been swindled out of being able to have adventures and possibilities of doing amazing things. The world can be a much more exciting place and people can become proud of themselves in so many ways.

    • Country Codger

      Annie,
      Your comment is very good and it encapsulates what I was saying below. (No comments were posted when I started listening to the interview so i missed your comment before I posted mine.) We have to SHOW ths generation that you can have an adventure, enjoy life and be productive at the same time. That is why I mentioned the word MAGIC in my comment because i have had several young people come to me and tell me that they look at what I do as magic and want to learn.

      It is our responsibility to find the MAGIC in our own lives (experiences you mentioned), turn them into MAGIC and then pass it on. Most boomers do not like what I do but X’ers and Millenials do.
      Thank you for making that Great point.

  • Country Codger

    Hi Guys,
    All three of you did a great job and this coupled with the other interview broke some very good ground. Hopefully seeds will be planted in the minds of all three generations and growth will be a result. I have been fortunate in getting my message across to young people a little better than most because they see what i do and think it is some kind of magic and want to learn the “magic”. I have had several young people in their late teens and twenties ask to watch, help, participate so they in turn can enjoy the magic. Hopefully, this will translate into them becoming more self sufficient and independent and rely on the system less or not at all.
    Good luck and God bless all in 2012!

  • Charles

    Hi Duane,

    Here is the glitch… What we judge we become.
    Lets intend to create a future without reference to the past which we think is unacceptable. Otherwise we will just become the tyranny we are trying to escape. History clearly demonstrates the pit falls of judging others and the past we collectively created.

    Let’s create Islands of the Future in the Sea of the past.

    Great work buddy!
    I will be looking to invest my Silver wealth in projects and people in the direction your intentions are pointing toward.

    Best Regards
    Charles

  • Bill Looser

    I wanted to hear a few comments before i sat down and listened to an interview that i was a part of…just to remember what i said!!!

    Seriously…I am here to help…Like alot of other “boomers” we are sharing the down and dirty of everything that we have faced…and frankly, you can believe what you want and say what you say, but we have had our asses kicked, won the battles, learned alot, been happy, been sad, but here we are, offering real life “tips” to the younger folks, hoping to get something in return.

    I am not shy, I am not thin skinned, I will say what I’ve got to say…so should you.

    I want to be on the same team…work with me.

  • intothevoid

    i happened to come across a book that i feel is relevant to this type of discussion, that could prove to potentially be useful to anyone looking for ways to communicate and connect with younger individuals.

    it’s called ‘Not Everyone Gets A Trophy, How To Manage Generation Y’ by Bruce Tulgan, and i would recommend picking up a copy to help establish a framework in a person’s communicational approach to the youth. Bruce delves into a few key points such as;

    debunking the fourteen most common myths about Generation Y in the workplace.

    (listen to some quick clips on these particular fourteen myths here; at amazon in the related media: http://www.amazon.com/Not-Everyone-Gets-Trophy-Generation/dp/0470256265/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1335129231&sr=8-1)

    showing managers how to tune-in to Gen Yers’ ‘short term and transactional’ mindset.

    argues that the key to success is not trying to make the workplace ‘fun’. rather, the key is strong, highly engaged leadership. he devotes an entire chapter to what he calls ‘in loco parentis management.’

    provides proven, step-by-step best practices for getting Gen Yers onboard and up-to-speed, giving them the context they lack, teaching them how to manage themselves and how to be managed, and turning the very best into the new leaders.

    here are his nine strategies for managing Gen Yers in the employment cycle:

    1. get them on board fast with the right message.

    2. get them up to speed quickly and turn them into knowledge workers.

    3. practice in loco parentis management. take a strong hand.

    4. give them the gift of context. help them understand their role in your company and where they fit in your picture.

    5. get them to care about great customer service.

    6. teach them how to manage themselves.

    7. teach them how to be managed by you.

    8. retain the best of Generation Y one day at a time.

    9. build the next generation of leaders.

    i feel this particular book may help people develop some insight into the youth, as well as help some of you business owners out there.

    i would also like to recommend Stephen Covey’s ‘The 7 Habits Of Highly Effective People’ as well, to which i have a personal workbook through my last job as they tried to introduce the program and tenets of that book into their work practices/culture.

    i feel that it has relevant information and applications that could also be useful to anyone, of any age, in the new paradigm in regards to communicating and solving issues that arise in social and professional interpersonal relationships.

    Dr. Covey details the 7 successful habits to have:

    1. Be Proactive – responding according to values, accepting responsibility, focusing on the circle of influence, becoming a transition figure.

    2. Begin with the End in Mind – mental creation precedes physical creation, choosing a life center, personal mission statement.

    3. Put First Things First – your first things, living an effective life in quadrant II, the six-step process.

    4. Think Win-Win – six paradigms of human interaction, win-win rescripting, four dimensions of win-win.

    5. Seek First to Understand, Then to Be Understood – the challenges of communication, the attitude and skill of empathy.

    6. Synergize – the process of synergizing, valuing the differences, creating the third alternative, the perspective of humility.

    7. Sharpen the Saw – four dimensions of renewal, personal production capability, the upward spiral, principle-centered living.

    these books are just two examples of information out there that i know of, that i think could help people in this ‘great wide communication gap’ of the generations we are currently facing.

    i’m sure there are more examples and resources such as these. so please, feel free to comment and offer any other books or programs that you personally know of or feel would help us all (regardless of age group) learn to understand each other, and our needs as individuals, a little bit better.

    these were just two books that popped into my mind after listening to this report again. we should continue to strive to keep improving ourselves and our perceptions.

  • speedspirit

    Something seems alittle bit off with spending so much energy trying to communicate with just the Millenials. All the age groups need to hear the message and help build a better United States. When an individual seeks answers and begins to question truths the Universe sends a teacher so to speak. We all got here. We didnt know where we were going and we are all here together. You cant go trying to fit the Millenials into some labeled group that needs to hear about the problem.

    I would think that actions will speak louder then words. Why not start this new community right now.
    I understand your reasoning for waiting but I believe that it could be a lenghth of time. Snakes move real slow.
    Case senario.
    The world slides into a epic depression of no return. A third world war to dwarf all others due to a few nukes. It will be real difficult building a community at that point. So by starting now equipment is readily available, people could make preparations of home sales while there is value in their homes. And have a purpose of a goal of getting out to start something they also resonate with. Building it now says we are leaving their casino on our terms. We will show a different path. We walk the walk.
    Then there will be soo many Millenials who will say “I get it and I want in, how can I help.” It will catch on everywhere because we will be creating the solution.
    If we arent ready now when? And why? I dont need more value in my silver. I need a life worth living for my childrens, my friends, my worlds benefit. We are letting them drive us with the herd right towards the cliff.

  • Tybeir

    Great job guys have really enjoyed the past few ssr. I am an gen y guy so bravo from my end

    I have a tech question tho is there any way to record in mono so I dont have to have both ear buds in I mostly listen to pod cast at work and just to dangerous to have both buds in at work. If not I will just keep dealing with it.

    thanks again and good job

    Ty

    • Silver Shield

      I am not super techie but I think the program does the stereo when I am interviewing and does mono when it is just me?

      • TU-2000

        I beleive that is correct. Although I have found that I can hear both sides of the conversation by using just the left ear piece.

      • Tybeir

        thats correct when you do your intro I can hear you just fine

        Tu 2000 I will try that it might be that my left bud is broken that happens alot when using the ear buds at work I probaly go through 10 pairs a year

  • Cory Barnes

    Great Interview! My wife and I are looking to move to another state and Bill has convinced me to check out Montana.

  • Ben

    This was a great interview Chris. Good job. I would also like to see an interview with just Irv and Josh.

    I for one also beleive that the youth are really the future for the next few decades and beyond. If we lose them, we lose a lot and I am not sure our country would ever recover from it.

    The one take away I got from it was that there also needs to be a system in place that passes on VALUES..as you said in the interview Chris, these were the things that were destoyed by the elites. (Actually, I think it came from a few different directions but that is a whole other topic). You talked about intellectual foundations, and that is an excellent start, but they need to be taken care of and taught to people, or at the very least, expose them to it, to keep this community stable and sustainable. To keep the jackels at bay if you will.

    At times, I think this would be a huge task as we all have different belief systems, faiths etc. This is what I think made the founding fathers so brilliant. I think they knew with certainty that if governments(men) were not put into check, they would devolve into tyrannical behemoths. And so here we are today.

    My question as always, is how do you sustain a society like this for years to come? How do you keep out the psycopaths and parasites?

    Great work.

    • intothevoid

      irv and i are on past reports #12 and #22. but if you are looking for something specific or certain topics for irv and i to introduce our perspectives on… i would say to drop a line to chris.

      and to try and give my opinion to your question on ‘how do you keep out the psychopaths and parasites?’

      i had asked chris a somewhat similar question not that long ago and was answered with the use of those same intellectual foundations and critical thinking that you just mentioned. the very things that we strive to learn and pass down, will help guide us and protect us from those very threats.

      with those foundations, we should be able to quickly recognize and identify individuals or groups that are in pursuit of taking advantage of the community or looking to solely benefit themselves… and as a community, seek to remove or expunge them from what we are trying to achieve, in a suitable manner.

      that is where i feel being intellectually honest with ourselves comes into play. as long as we are intellectually honest with each other, it can help prevent or subside aspects of greed, hate, and corruption and further continue to foster values such as love, respect, and tolerance.

      there will always be social, cultural, and religious differences, but as long as there is love, respect, and tolerance for one another, i would like to think that people can co-exist peacefully with their differences.

      i believe the hope is to have the initial members of the community up to speed with those ‘foundations’ so that they would be able to ‘keep the jackals at bay’, introduce the material, and teach the incoming members to do so the same.

      i hope that helped to answer your question… i suppose if it didn’t, maybe another member can offer their insight into it, or just hit up chris.

      • Ben

        I think so Josh. I don’t mean to sound cynical, but societies have always historically broken down. Maybe that is not the right word. Change, is probably a better word. There is a professor at a nearby college in my state who talks about this phenomenon. He also tells these stories from a Native American perspective. His writing is actually quite brilliant. I am surprised it has not caught on nationally. Perhaps that is best, and perhaps over time it will reach a much wider audience.

        Suffice it to say, I think it will take a few generations in this community to fully realize it’s potential. When you have whole generations of individuals raised in this manner, it will only strengthen it and sustain itself. As long as those foundations are set and intellectual honesty is passed down from generation to generation, you will have success.

        I think at first, when you have people who lived in the old paradigm, and maybe even profited off of it, you may encounter some problems. Old habits die hard. Old ideas die hard. It’s kind of like the “early adopter” idea. Some will find it hard, some will slowly adapt and others will make the transition very easily.

        At any rate, I think all of us could build something really special if we all get thru this time.

        Great work Josh!

        P.S. I used to be a drafter as well, still do a lot of that type of work….and guess what…

        It dontz rezonate wit me! :)

  • l1b3r7y1776

    it’s tough to know where to start. generational influences certainly play a part in this, but the thing is this – people run a wide gamut. George Carlin once said something like, “think about how dumb the average person is and then realize that 50% of them are dumber than that.” I am not trying to be negative, but cream rises to the top in any grouping of people. We just happen to be coming out of a period of time when you didn’t even have to be above average to make a bunch of money (1998 – 2008). You could ride the two big waves (dot com and housing). The problem is, it wasn’t real. It couldn’t continue.

    The thing that really does stink is the Millennials just happened to be born in a very difficult time. They get sucked into the Higher Ed bubble right as the dot com and housing bubbles are ending. They get into debt because they believed if they just did what they were told it would all work out. It didn’t and it might not.

    What they grew up with (along with Generation Y) was a ride of excess that was awful fun to be a part of, but not sustainable at all. I graduated high school in the late 80’s. It’s funny because the houses where the then rich folks lived (or so we thought) when I was growing up are ones that my kids would not call up scale.

    The problem is we have generations coming into adult hood that are the first who will very likely not out earn or have a higher standard of living than their parents. It is time to really start to ask ourselves what you need in life to be happy. I didn’t grow up with much, but happened to do pretty well, didn’t live beyond my means and saved quite a bit. I am in high tech and have been continuously connected for 20 years. You know what I long for? A simpler way of life. I want to unplug and slow down. I think things have gotten too fast, we expect too much, we measure success by size of house, type of car, size of bank account. That is going to change. We have an opportunity to change it for the better… Will we? I have my questions.

    I am very leary of terms like equitable. Starts to smell a little like social justice to me. Folks are happiest when their hard work has a measurable return. We need to figure out how to re-capture that for ourselves as well as the Millennials. I believe that re-calibrating what makes you happy, what constitutes success, and tying that to accomplishment & achievement will be the key. Problem is, it can go an awful lot of ways from here.

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