Yes you Can!…Build your own Retreat.

I want to apologize, once again, to all those that I owe emails to. April, I know I owe you and Tess and others emails. But I have been tied up, almost literally, with this latest house. I will show you where we are and how easy it can be to build you own home/cabin. It is easier than you think.

You can see that we used railroad ties for piers and beams.

Rule Number One: Start with a good foundation. It is up to you, based on economics, demographics, geography and geology whether or not you use a concrete slab or a pier and beam. Most, not all, of my houses are pier and beam. There are several reasons for this. Naturally, the first has to be cost. At $100.00/cu. yd. (cubic yard)of concrete, a pier and beam home looks fairly attractive. Also, another thing that goes in favor of the pier and beam home is that you will not have a fleet of concrete trucks beating a path to your door along with the team of concrete finishers that you would have to pay if you cannot finish concrete. You can build your cabin/home in privacy. But regardless, it is your decision. I go with privacy first. Pier and beam homes are very comfortable for Von and I and we use the below house space to dry our garlic, onions, herbs etc. and some other practical applications that I feel should remain unknown. (You’ll figure it out.)

Second: like the old saying goes, “size is not important.” Do you really need that 4 bedroom/3 bath half million dollar monster now worth $250,000? Rural property on the other hand is increasing in value. A small house that I built several years ago, with the land, cost less than $30K. It was appraised in October 2011 at $84K. Why? People are getting older, and looking for rural property to retire, cyber-commuting is more common, people are tired of watching their neighborhoods deteriorate, tired of crime and who knows, maybe some are moving to the country because of the Mayan Calendar publicity or the planet Nibiru is going to hit the Earth. (If the world is going to end, how will moving to the country protect you? Oh well.)

As I have mentioned in other articles, I believe, and this is from experience, that a family can be comfortable and enjoy life based on 150-200 square feet(sq.ft.)/ person. Many people have that much room rented at a Stor-N-Lok filled with stuff they will never use. (Rule of thumb: if you haven’t used it in two years you’re not going to.) And, this is on top of the things that fill their garages, attics and basements.  I have news for some folks, “He who dies with the most toys, is just dead! Period! Sell the junk and use that money to add to your preparations or to buy the land for your retreat.

Number Three: the real estate maxim, “location, location, location” has many meanings. One of the implied meanings is that the price of what you are buying will be artificially high because other people are being told just like you that “It’s perfect for you, “Close to your work, only a 45 minute commute”, “you’ll grow into it”, “excellent schools nearby” and on and on. Drivel. Rural schools are still some of the best in the country. Our local school has a rifle team and competes statewide. How about your school? I know that this is just one example but is the type of thing in rural school systems that sets them apart. The Junior Livestock Auction in our small community routinely raises in excess of $100K a year for kids to go to college.

The  next meaning for the “location maxim” is that while I find southeast Texas and Four Corners New Mexico ideal for my purposes, you may not. You may prefer Kansas, Idaho, Montana or Kentucky. If you really are planning to relocate based on a survival strategy buy Joel Skousen’s excellent book “Strategic Relocation, (3rd ed.). It is for sale at many places on the internet. It is pricey but it may help you avoid making a serious mistake.

“Okay, Codger, you’ve convinced me. I’m moving to Moose Snout, Idaho. What is next.”

After determining that Moose Snout is the ideal location for you and your family and you plan on building your own home, contact local builders associations, building inspectors, contractors and ask them what the best type of construction is suited for the area. There may be a reason for this type of construction, i.e. it is the warmest, easiest to build, local materials are readily available and, yes, some rural states have building codes that specify types of construction.

In the first photo you can see that I used railroad ties for my piers and beams. I could buy them locally at a

Framing the subfloor.

great price. We sank them 5′ in the ground, bolted them together with steel plates, (that is what my nephew Brandon is doing in the top picture) and then we framed the subfloor on top of these. As you can tell by the photo the subfloor decking was recycled from a house that we tore down for the materials.

This is the actual subfloor. You can see the framing and the decking

After you have framed and decked the subfloor you can begin building the walls. They are a couple of strategies you can use to build your walls. First, I always build them on the subfloor or foundation and raise them into place. This is much easier than building them and moving them any distance at all.

Second, if I have a couple of fresh bodies, I build the wall in its entirety and raise it complete. Third, if it is just Von and I then we build the walls in sections that are easy for us to handle, raise them, anchor them to the foundation or subloor and then repeat the process until each wall is finished. My rule of thumb for handling walls is, I can raise a 12′ section by myself or with Von’s help and then she anchors the wall section while I hold it. Everything I build has at least a 6″ thick wall. If you build with 2″x4″s you are wasting money, unless you live on a tropical island.

What appears to be a long table in the photo above is actually several shipping frames for tractors. I use these

All bodies were needed to raise the walls and no one left to take the photo.

for workbenches. If you click on the picture to enlarge it, you will see that we are laminating 2-2″x12″s with a piece of plywood cut to the same dimension. In other words, we are making a sandwich with 2″x12″s and a piece of plywood will be the meat. Then they are glued together and allowed to dry (24hrs.). I used Liquid Nails for the bonding agent. I like it, it is moderately priced, strong and readily available but you may prefer something else. We are doing this to produce a strongback.

Here you can see the strongback at the right, the ceiling joist tied to it and then the bridge bracing to support the rafters.

What is a strongback? It is a central support that will provide support and stability for the ceiling joists, rafters and roof. Since I made the strongback so thick, I had to use joist hangers to tie the ceiling joist to the strongback. (Note: in all the pictures you will see straps hanging from the wood. These straps were used to hold the front-end loaders to the pallets so they could be shipped and assembled with the tractor at the dealership. Most dealerships will beg or even pay you to haul the wood off.)

Once you have your strongback and ceiling joists in place you can begin installing

Sorry about the quality of the photo but rafters are now up.

the rafters, that will actually support the roof, and then install the bridge bracing that will provide strength and stability to the rafters. I know all of these terms sound complicated but they are not. Most are local terminology and may not be used in your area. Our crew consisted of my best friend Teddy, 11 year-old nephew Brandon, grandson Alex, Von and myself. With this small crew we built everything you see in these photos, with the exception of the floor, in five days. Not bad for three senior citizens and 2 kids, if I may say so myself.

Here you can see more detail on the bridge bracing and a lot more straps!

In the photo on the left you can see the center bridge bracing and bracing going off to the left. The bracing for the right side had not gone in when this photo was taken.

Now, I know what you carpenters are going to say when you see this picture. “You have your strongback in the wrong place!” No, I don’t. I made two strongbacks, split the width into three sections using them and then tied them together with my ceiling joists. Why did I do it that way? Simple, all my two by sixes were less than ten feet long and the house was 26′ wide. By using two strongbacks the longest two by sixes I needed, the center section, were 108″ long. I had to adapt the building to the wood that was available. 



The decking is nailed to the rafters.

What comes next? The decking or often called sheeting, sheating or sheathing. This will provide a platform to hold your roofing material, which in this case is steel roofing. Once again, I apologize for the poor quality of picture taken here but it is the best I can do at times to find the correct button for the camera on my phone.

It is not necessary but I always place 30# roofing felt on the decking before I add the roofing. It is cheap insurance that there will not be a leak in your new roof.  There are numerous styles and colors of metal roofing you can use. Today some of the roofing even

Alex putting the final touches on the roof.

looks like red tile roofing. Unfortunately, we did not have a choice. The roofing being used was purchased from the U.S. government at auction for $300.00. It had never been used, had the manufacturers name on the shipping label and the manufacturer will even warranty the roofing for the full 20 years.

What happens next? The outer sheathing is next. Once you have the outer sheathing, roof, windows and doors in place you are now “in the dry”. It is now Margarita time. If it rains, everything will be protected. “Getting in the dry” is a very important step to protect your materials from damage or deterioration. If you have to stop working on the house, for any reason, it will be reasonably protected from damage.

As you can see we used 7/16″ CDX for the exterior sheathing and on top of this we will place “Hardie” board.

You can see Alex attaching the exterior sheathing which in this case in 7/16″ CDX.

Hardie board looks like thin plywood but what is actually consists of is fiber, a bonding agent and cement. It is very heavy to work with, lasts for 50 years or more and is flame proof. This is a big plus if you are building in an area of the country that suffers from wildfires. Hardie Board can be ordered plain, pre-primed or “painted”. The painted Hardie Board is not painted at all. It actually has the color imbedded in the material. You will never have to paint your house again.

What comes next? In the case of this house, the floor. I had taken it upon myself to produce a one of a kind floor that Von could be proud of. I planned to produce it from my most common asset: 2″x6″ lumber. First we had to pick the straightest lumber, pull the nails and countless staples holding the straps and then each board had to be planed. After the boards were planed, they had to be individually cut and fitted into its proper

Planing each board before it is cut and fitted into place.

place. Could we have accomplished this faster and with less trouble? Of course we

Beginning the floor in one corner.

could have but I wanted a one of a kind floor. And, if you will look closely at the next few photos you will see what I accomplished, although it was six months in the making. What you will see in the next photograph is the beginning of the floor on a 40 degree by 50 degree matrix. This is due to the 26′ x 32′ size of the house. The next two photos will show you the final finished product before any type of finish or sealer is added. I will wait for a few days to add the polyurethane sealer to protect the surface of the wood. The areas susceptible to the most moisture invasion, the bathroom and the kitchen will receive a coat of FamoWood which is a 2-part epoxy that will not only seal the wood but bond it into a solid unit.

Hopefully you will be able to see in the photo on the right the various levels of contrast in the wood in addition

Floor from one angle.

to the multiple angles that make this floor one of a kind. Like I stated earlier, this floor is done on a 40 degree by 50 degree matrix that ends up producing a diamond in the central setting. What looks like waves or bumps in the boards are due to the various types of wood and their corresponding colors. Take a close look at the next photo and you will see what I mean by the various shades in the wood that makes up the final floor.

Here you can see the various textures, colors and grains of the woods used in the final floor.

Now I know you are dying to ask, “Is this really necessary for my retreat? No! Absolutely not. This is not even my retreat but my latest house in southeast Texas. Will it help the resale value? Nah, the next guy will probably put carpet over the whole damn thing. No, this was a promise I made to my wife to give her a floor that was one of a kind.

Okay Codger, what is next? Well, I would say that the next step is to add the interior walls, electrical, plumbing and then sheetrock. As you can see from the next photo I have already added my insulation and have already begun my electrical installation. Next, I will begin my interior walls. But, I

The electrical distribution panel and the wiring was salvaged from another house that I was paid to tear down. Get the picture yet?

have hit a snag. I know you will not believe this, but I have hit the same snag 3 times in a row. Alright, I know what you are saying, “fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice shame on me! Right? Well, it is not that easy. I swear that what you are seeing is the persistent efforts of the same bird. This little bird has invaded my last three construction projects, at the same time of year and done the same thing each time. The Momma bird flies in from the

Don’t you just hate it when you are outsmarted by a birdbrain?

open soffits, builds a warm comfortable nest in the insulation and each time I have to wait for her babies to learn to fly before I can finish my house. I hate being outsmarted by a bird each time that I build. Is this a plot by the New World Order? No, it is a simple fact of nature. I have at least 2 to 3 weeks before the babies learn to leave the nest and fly. Last time I had to pick up each of her chicks and hold them in my hand and let them learn to fly by jumping from my hand. When the babies fly away I will add the sheetrock to the walls, once the electrical and plumbing are finished. After the interior is complete I will finish the exterior by adding the Hardie Board. After that I will add a screened porch to both the front and rear. But until then, I am on hold for my greatest fan and her family to fly away.

Can you build your own retreat? Yes, of course you can. Is it easy? Hell no, it takes a lot of work. Oh, by the way, my total outlay for a 32′ x 26′ home will be about $3000.00. Yes, I know it only has one bathroom and two bedrooms but hey, I have no mortage, it is paid for and there is no lien holder. Bet that half million dollar home is not looking quite so good, even though it is only worth $250,000.00.

Sorry, I did not mean to be mean but my final bill is $5,000 for a little over two and a half acres of land and @ $3000.00 for my materials. So for a total of @ $8000.00 I have a home that is paid for, 2.5+ acres of land and no mortgage. What is that worth to you? Yes, You can do what I have described. Oh, one more thing, each time you move to another house you can rent the others out. This will help you pay that $5,000.00/mo. note on your house, that is unless the other guy or gal reads this and decides to build their own home.

Recommended reading:

Housebuilding: A Do-It Yourself Guide by R. J. Cristoforo

p.s. just hurry up and beat the bird before it  builds a nest in the insulation in the spring.

Good luck and God bless.

18 comments to Yes you Can!…Build your own Retreat.

  • Ben

    That’s awesome CC.

    Do you have to deal with building permits?

    • Country Codger

      Hi Ben,
      No, we have no permits in the county but there is in town. Our permits are $10.00/ea and are good for THE LIFE OF THE PROPERTY! Isn’t that great? Besides, there are no inspectors. The mayor doesn’t really care if you buy the permit or not and the police chief never asks to see one but I buy them anyway. It kind of smooths over thingss with city hall. The utility company never asks to see a permit to hook you up. Most people do not buy them. I have been here 8 years and have purchased more building permits than contractors that were bornhere and started building houses right out of high school. One ofmy mentors,Robert Kahltenbach, proved in court many times that if you do not hook up to a public utility thre is no need for a permit. So, even though the state of New Mexico requires permits statewide, I have never built a house that hooked up to a public utility in NM. Jurisdiction is a tricky thing most bureaucrats don’t understand. When the Zuni and Navajo nations sued me for my water rights in federal court they could not understand how they lost. 99.9% of the people and almost all attorneys do not undestand the laws relative to PATENTED LAND TITLES. I have patented land so no nation has jurisdiction on my property. Period! Good luck and God bless.

      • peter

        Hello there CC, I am interested in how one can sucessfully patent land titles and the process that one needs to investigate in order to secure the allodial property. Any advice would be appreciated, and i live in Toronto Canada if that is any help or maybe you could recommend further information or website that could help my research and understanding become more clear. Thanks a bunch.

        • Country Codger

          Hi Peter,
          First, I am not an attorney and cannot give legal advice but i can tell you what I have done and how it has worked for me. Second, I am not familiar with Canadian law but it is based (mostly) on English Common Law and the Land Patent is derived from English Common Law.
          I don’t know of any websites that teach Land Patents and I guess i would be leary if they did. I don’t know. The easiest way to have patented title to your land is to research your land to the original grant or as is the case in most of the western US the original patent. Find the original patent description for the land, the entire tract. Then in a Quitclaim Deed file show the relationship of your land to the original patent. What makes the patent so powerful is that a patent is a grant of property from one sovereign to another. It was used to transfer property between royalty in Europe. It is the surrendering of all claim by a sovereign (in my case the US government) to another sovereign (the original land owner). In your quitclaim deed you MUST trace your relationship back to the original owner (which means you must show each conveyance where A sold it to B and B sold it to C and C and so on down to you. DO NOT ATTEMPT TO PATENT THE WHOLE PIECE OF PROPERTY MENTIONED IN THE PATENT unless you actually do own all of the property. This will nullify all that you do because it is illegal to claim land you do not own. Got it? But you must show that your piece was included in the original patent. Texas is more difficult because it was a sovereign nation before it became a state. Also, do not use the words real estate in your deed. It is private property by virtue of the fact that it was patented originally. All my detail notes and court cases are in my filing cabinet in NM so I can’t give the proper Supreme Court case law.

          I might try and write an article about this if there is enough interest but it will have to wait until I am in NM so I will have all my notes. Do not ask an attorney to do this for you. They usually laugh at you or just give you a dumb look. Only a proper person can do this not an attorney.I have had to defend myself in state and federal courts before and the first few times it is a little scary. But i had a judge admit to me after a I won a case that judges are afraid of people who stand before them as a proper person because they have more power than an attorney. I would not recommend my lifestyle to anyone but will help any who tries.
          Good luck and God bless.

          Here is a tip, when ever you file a legal documnt at a courthouse always refer to yourself as PROPRIA PERSONA / SUI JURIS. Only a propria persona (real and proper person) can file a WRIT in court. Attorneys have to file MOTIONS (in the form of a writ) because they are not proper persons in the law. A Propria PERSONA has more rights than an attorney.

      • Ben

        That is brilliant.

        Thanks C. I guess I live in the wrong state!

        • Country Codger

          Hi Ben,
          I was an electrical contractor in three different states and have very seldom ever found and inspector I couldn’t work with. They are out there but they used to be the exception not the rule. You can go in and talk to them, ask questions and get good info and forge a friendship with these folks. I will tell you right now, doing what I do in a metro area is a pain in the ass but it can be done. In rural areas it is much easier. I have sent Thank You cards to inspectors, tax appraisal district workers, tax collectors and even a sheriff. You should not give up if it is truly something you want to do. Besides most of the inspectors don’t agree with all of the regulations and BS that they are responsible for enforcing but they have to if they want a job. I consider building inspectors a wealth of knowledge and they have always responded in kind. I even had one inspector in Grants, NM recommend to a bank that they sell some bank owned real estate to me because I sat down with him and shared my intentions for the property. Since he went out of the way to help me I financed the property for three years and paid it off in one year. But I wanted to let him know that I appreciated what he did and i made friends at the bank that way. So, if it is something you would really like to do, talk to thses folks and see what they say. Tell them you want to build your own home and you wanted to know what you should do. They may require you to take some classes for plumbing, wiring or give you a compentency test. Many jusrisdictions will issue a Homeowner Building Permit for the asking. Also, talk to your insurance agent about what they require if you plan to insure your home. Some of mine are insured and some are not. I consider some to be higher risks than others. If you rent a home out always insure it. I once had to insure a house before i could sell it, so that may happen as well. Let me know what you run into and I’ll try to help.

  • How much for the tools, planer, lawnmower gizmo, etc?

    • Country Codger

      Hi Beau,
      I don’t know quite honestly. I have had most of these tools for over 40 years. The planer was a 1991 model Grizzly G1017 (they are not made anymore) and was about $150.00. I have seen them at garage sales for $50.00. Most lawnmowers will not cut 2.5 acres that is why I have a tractor because I am a farmer…so I use my tractor and three point hitch rotary mower. You can buy a really good used diesel tractor for about $3,500 and it will last a lifetime. If you try to buy a new 50hp tractor it will run 20K or more. You can also make a great deal of money using a tractor by bushhogging city lots, tilling other people’s gardens. If you don’t want to buy a tracotr, or have no need for one you can buy used riding lawnmowers for $100.00 all day long. I have had many given to me and most have either an electrical problem than can be fixed easily or the carburator is full of water. Simply pull the carb. off, clean it, buy gasket material for a couple of bucks at the auto parts store, make a gasket and put it back together. Takes an hour tops. I think what you are referring to when you say lawnmower gizmo is my air compressor to run the nail gun. I use the lawnmower body as a dolly for anything heavy so I can move it around easily. It was free. The air compressor is a twin tank 4 gallon Harbor Freight air compressor. I have built about 7 houses using that little compressor. It was $89.00 new but if you look inside Shotgun News magazines there is a 20% off coupon so you end up paying about 72 bucks at check out. The same with my nail guns. I have had them for years. If you amortorize their costs over their lifetime I probably paid 10 or less per house they have built. Most of my tools I buy at garage sales for pennies. I once found a bucket full of Craftsman tools. Every one of them was broken. I paid a dollar for the bucket and went straight to the closest Sears store and traded them in for new tools. Chance favors the prepared mind! . IF you had to purchase a brand new everything to build a house it was run less than a thousand dollars total. IF you plan on doing this repeatedly buy the best tools you can afford at the time and replace them with better ones as you see the need, have the desire or get more money and just want to blow some on new tools. My father taught me, “Take care of your tools and they will take care of you”. Good luck, God bless and if you decide to do this let me know.

    • Country Codger

      Hi again Beau,
      You DO know that you can build most of your tools, right? You can build and air compressor from and old A/C air compressor off of a car or truck. Find a junk washing machine or better yet a drier and pull the electric motor out of the appliance. Bolt the compressor and the motor to a 2’x10′ board about 32″ long. Buy or scrounge a V-belt or Micro-V belt, as the case may be, and hook the two together. Make sure of the rotation that you need to get compression not suction before mounting. On the intake side of the compressor you will need to add a filter which you can make out of a margarine tub. Put in some thin foam rubber and put ATF on the foam rubber. This will filter the air and oil the compressor. Next mount this to a 5 or 8 gallon propane tank. You can usually get them free at a propane company. They have to take the old ones out of circulation. Mount a threaded 3/4″ nipple to the propane tank after you pull out the valve. Screw on a pipe T. One side of the T will be you intake the other the exhaust. On the exhaust side add another nipple and then another T. Now you have two exhaust lines. One will hold a reducing bushing a 3/8″ nipple and T. These two are for your pressure regulator (auto parts store, hardware store or pneumatic supply house) and pressure relief valve (same sources). Next the extra opening is for a reducing bushing to 3/8 and another TEE. This is for you quick couple and your pressure gauge. I used one like this for years. It finally rusted through because I did not drill a hole in the tank and install a drain valve. Everything was free except the pipe fittings so I was out nothing when it quit. Now if you are interest in building your own woodworking tools and machine tools go to Here you will find books on DIY everything. These books are reprinted from the late 1800’s and early 1900’s when people could not run to Wal-Mart or Lowe’s and buy things. They had to make there own. There are even books on how to build your own electric notorcycles and cars. The electric car is nothing new. Henry Ford and Thomas Edison built electric trucks to make deliveries in cities. They would carry five tons of cargo all day long. Also, there are two excellent books on how to build your own wind generators using modern materials. Also, check out all of Steve Chastains books. You read his and Dave Gingery’s books and you are going to build something. Good Luck. Remember Chance favors the prepared mind.

    • Country Codger

      Me again,
      The hook up for the air compressor is very important. If you use the suction side of the compressor you can now use this to exhaust all the air from your Mylar bags that you store all your food in. I works like a Seal-A-Meal. You can even hook up a @32oz. coffee can to a suction hose. On the bottom rim of the coffee can add a piece of smooth rubber from a bike tube and seal it onto the can with RTV sealant. Make sure the tube laps about an inch on both sides of the rim and let it dry. Drill a hole to the “bottom” of the can and add a 2′, 3′, or longer suction hose using a threaded nipple in the can and a connector on the compressor. clamps the hose to the nipple in the can and the connector on the compressor which has now become your vacuum pump. Use glass gallon pickle jars that have been thoroughly cleaned and dried. Place your rice, beans, corn or whatever in the jar, put the lid on loosely, place the can “adaptor” on the jar and turn on the vacuum pump. This will suck all the air out of the jar and seal the lid. When you finish tighten the lid. You’ll mess up once or twice but you get the hang of it real quick. You food is now vacuum sealed in a glass jar and will keep for years. It really works.
      Good luck and God bless.

  • Congratulations on the floor and the entire project, you have overcome a few issues on that build-but No Problem for the Codger! …too bad about the birdies, hope that doesn’t hold up that area of the walls/ceiling very long.
    …THNX for the Cristoforo reference.

    God bless you and yours sir.

    • Country Codger

      You know, I kinda like the birds. I know that it is a one in a million chance that it actually is the same bird but I enjoy it. This will slow me down a little but I had to take a break anyway. I have packing to do, other commitments that I must take of before I leave. Here is the kicker, Von and the rest of my family are coming back for a “period of time”. As you know I have tons of things that need to be done in NM. The latest cabin I started needs finishing, I will build another in line of sight from the main house. I need to finish fencing the smaller piece of property for the sheep and horses, build a cabin there on that piece and I have a lot of “dirt work” that needs to be done. Also, Von thought I should GFOOD now since I am on “DA LIST”. I have not received any threats but things are getting weird.
      Be safe brother,

  • JRandall

    I can testify to the fact that a family can comfortably live in a very small space. After we lost our house to forclosure last year, we purchased 5 acres in rural Missouri. We bought the materials to build a modest 28×40 pier and beam house. In the meantine, we are living in a 340 sq ft shed that I wired, insulated & plumbed. Finished a loft for 250 sq of sleeping space. I thought it would be horrible having a family of five in such a small space. Bur after 6 months, we all agree it is actually quite sufficient. My wife and I agreed that, without kids, this would do just fine as a long-term home.
    This way, our time and money have been better spent on self-sufficiency.

    • Country Codger

      Fantastic! I am thankful that you were able to find the 5 acres of rural land. God bless you and yours.

  • superhuman

    If you where living alone and could move anywhere in the world to settle down where would you choose? and why?

    • Country Codger

      Hi Superhuman, (wish I was.)
      I have lived and travelled in Asia, Africa, Europe. There are places in Mexico that are awesome and I was almost a citizen of Ecuador but that is another story. I would live in the US, specifically the RME (Rocky mountain Empire) states, any of them but Colorado. Colorado is too liberal an is the de facto center for world government.
      Why? because as bad as it is here, it is still better than anywhere i have ever been or heard of. At least here you have a chance to change things peacefully. If that doesn’t work out you have the right to keep and bear arms. My primary home is in western NM. Contrary to the advice of Mr. Joel Skousen, whom I respect and admire, I found my own little Shang-ri-la there. I will be leaving for NM about the 20th of June with no plans to return, as of yet. I will try to work it so that I will continue to make contributions both here at DTOM and my site .

      Some people say Fiji, some say Belize, some say Panama. When the time comes to round up Americans in those countries you will not blend in so you are screwed. I say stay and if necessary, stay and fight. I have seen war onthree continents and i do not want to se it here but i will not hand the keys to my beloved country over to a bunch of globalist without a fight, and it will come to that one day.

      Good luck and God bless you and yours. 2012 will be a year of decision.

  • Marvin Motsenbocker

    Hey Country:
    I really enjoyed this thread. A couple questions: it seems that New Mexico will have progressively less rain in the future and that remaining forests might burn up. Wont water be a problem? Wouldnt a more northern state be better from that view? (rainfall is expected to increase in the northern states and already is)

    Secondly, have you considered living on a Japanese island? The society is much more stable there and the people do not hate Americans…….

    best of luck, and I enjoy your contributions to this forum…………..

    • Country Codger

      Hi Marvin,
      Water has not been a problem. I guess the remaining forests could burn up and that would destroy my surface dwellings. I have property in several western states, including northern ones. I also have property in southern states in the Gulf region. It is always nice to have a fall back position.

      I love the Japanese culture, people and history. I don’t like islands at all. I can’t swim very well and if i am pushed I would have to swim 3000 miles. The japanese people are some of the finest in the world. Of course, I have spent years with different Arab populations and i would come closer to living with them or the people in Equatorial Arica (and i hate the heat). Ecuador is really nice, I love the weather at Quito. I could probably makedue in Bolivia near lake Titicaca. but I will not leave America again unless i feel the need. Yes, I have places to go in South America and Africa. I have friends already there. I went to school with many fine people from foreign lands at language school and we stay in touch.

      Good luck in Japan, Marvin. I envy you the experience. I always wanted to go to China. When you study world history at an approved university it is the one culture they skip over because its history is too long and involved. And, in according to the US side of history you would swear that Admiral Perry was the beinning of Japan.

      New Mexico is like the rest of the world, it is not perfect, but it is home for me. aWhat is funny is that like Louisiana, New Mexico is actually four different environments. I has desert, Mountain, the Rio Grande Valley and the high plateaus. I am located on the latter. Tall pine tres, 7500 elevation and shallow water. Jemez is actually located on a supervolcano, like Yosemite. I love the upper Rio Grande but I do not have the dinero to buy into that area. I am a poor boy so I live in the western plateau area. Most people think that New Mecico is just desert. GOOD! I hope to hell it scares them away.

      Good luck and God bless you and yours in 2012.

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