Update 35: I Have Severed ALL Ties With Rob Gray and Mulligan Mint

Screen Shot 2013-04-18 at 12.28.44 PMI originally met Rob Gray through a friend and member who introduced us both related to his testimony before Ron Paul’s subcommittee.  Thereafter, we had conversations for several months about silver, etc. and even traveled to Silver Summit together. When I started business dealings with Rob Gray we had a business deal that I would design and promote my Silver Bullet Silver Shield medallions and he and his new Mulligan Mint would produce and fulfill them.  Seemed like a very simple straightforward business relationship.

I performed my half of the deal well beyond anyone’s expectations, but there seemed to be constant issues on Rob’s end of the deal, such as complaints about PayPal, credit cards, delays in delivery, shoddy production quality, awful customer service, etc.

Knowing that starting something like this is not easy, I was very patient and did my best to try to support their effort for over 7 months. I tried pumping the breaks with delayed launches, but that was not enough. Then, things started to not add up for me.

Given my concerns, I halted ALL sales March 11th to clear a persistent backlog that grew to an estimated 92,000 ounces or roughly $3 million.

I was given assurances that all orders would be fulfilled by April 8th and we were going to launch on April 15th. I then come to find out the Sales Director, Gus Demos, who was my main contact with the Mint, abruptly quit on April 11th.

I immediately cancelled the Tax Slave Day relaunch of Slave Queen, Freedom Girl and the Redoubt coin. (I did this despite record demand for silver and incredibly low silver prices.)

From that moment on all the pieces started to come together as people started comparing notes about what they knew of Rob.

  • Why was he constantly try to run so fast when problems need to be corrected?
  • Why is he taking several recent vacation trips to Singapore in the midst of all these problems?
  • Why did he purchase a new mansion on an airstrip in Plano, Texas?
  • Why did  the sales director abruptly quit?
  • Why were paid retail customers waiting while he sold to dealers behind my back and my strict orders to stop ALL sales.

 

After many months of broken promises and constant aggravation of taking all of the heat for things I had no control over, I decided to fly to Dallas and confront Rob Gray face-to-face to resolve all open matters between us.

Despite his previous gregarious conversations and his jovial personality, at this meeting a different Rob Gray was present.  This one was curt and cold.  I sat down and simply and frankly told him I had no interest in continuing a business relationship and simply asked for my dies, the SilverBulletSilverShield.com URL, an accurate customer accounting of what is owed, affiliate commissions, final customer ounces delivered and/or collect all that is owed, and what was owed to me (including 1,500 personal ounces I sent down for minting from bars to my coins).

His response was “what if I just say ‘no’, what are you going to do?” I responded with “That’s not what I was hoping for, but I will be forced to go another route.” Thereafter, I stormed out after only 5 minutes when Rob Gray told me that I would get “nothing“.

Based on all my experience and dealings with Rob as well as the learned experiences of others, I suspect something very nefarious is going on at Mulligan Mint. As a result, I will be talking with customers, employees, affiliates, refiners, retailers and Free Lakota Bank and Mulligan Mint investors and depositors and telling anyone interested anything and everything I know about the situation, Rob Gray, Mulligan Mint, etc.  I think if I shine a very bright light on the situation, maybe we can all get the answers.

I will have MUCH more, very soon, after I have a clearer picture, when I have a conference call with the major creditors that I know of.

I will leave all options open after that.

Here is a just the beginning of what I have recently found out when people start talking.

33 Page Report On Rob Gray the Hypnotist, Water Ionizer Salesman that says “Mr. Gray may actually deserve an Oscar nomination for his theatrics in some of the videos that have been posted on this website.”

Free Lakota Bank is not a FDIC Bank…

South Dakota Dept. of Labor warns about unlicensed Free Lakota Bank

And not a bank of the Republic of Lakotah…

The Republic of Lakotah is in NO WAY associated with this new “freelakotabank.” Caveat Emptor!

So who’s bank is it?!

 

I do not care about my lost time, energy, money, opportunity, reputation, or silver.

I ONLY care about the truth.

 Feel free to add your story in the comment section below so that the people that are on the fence can have their Usual Suspects moment.

 

Regretfully,

Chris Duane

 

P.S. Just as I was about to post this, I get an email blast from the Mulligan Mint that they are selling The Survival Podcast Ant Shield?!

Somebody better let Jack know what is going on before his good name and customers get caught in this growing mess.

 

Listen to all, TRUST NONE.

 

“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague.” -Marcus Tullius Cicero

 

Update 1: The first lie I have heard today is that Rob refused to give me my dies, because I was working with Gus to start our own mint.

I want the dies because…

  1. Screen Shot 2013-04-18 at 12.28.44 PMThey are mine.  I am the designer and copyright holder of them.
  2.  I want to secure them from being used to diminish the value of all of the SBSS coins on the market by continuing to produce them beyond my approval or control.
  3. I don’t need to own a mint.  There are far more respectable, well oiled operations which OH BY THE WAY are much cheaper (33% cheaper) and have much better quality and turn around times.
  4. I want to work with a few mints so I am never in this position again.
  5. I want to relaunch fairly quickly.  I have waste far too much time and I will not wait for months to start some other capital and labor intensive business, especially before a dollar collapse.
  6. What mint in the world tells their customer that they will get “nothing”?!
  7. I will never use these designs ever again. (Which will increase the value of these coins, but not if the dies are not secured.)

So now with that out on the table, I want Rob Gray to turn over the dies that are not being used to fulfill customer order and just so we are really clear I would love it if they just took a HAMMER to it to damage it enough so that I cannot use it, but I can still see what it is.

I have a die count and wait for Rob’s response to this one.

I am sure that thousands of SBSS investors are going to be VERY INTERESTED in the outcome of this particular issue.

Update 2: I was told that Rob had a meeting with the whole staff after I blew out of there and that he said he would give me my 1,500 ounces.  I would love to know when and where I can get it, Rob.  I would think this would be very easy for you to do since that is provable theft in my opinion.

Update 3: I have completed my research and will be moving on many fronts to protect those that are involved in this mess.

I have gotten word that the new date they are stringing people along with April 26th.  Snap out of denial and stop hearing what you want to hear.  April 8th was the drop dead date… then the 15th… get a refund or a tracking number!  If you bought by credit card…

What they probably did not tell you is that their caster is down and blanks are pretty hard to come by right now.  It sure does look like they are trying to get this stuff out and when you tell a guy like me that I am getting “nothing” that frees up (in Rob’s mind) some time and capital.  I know he has bought time with some others that want to believe, but the fact is the circle is getting tighter as people start talking and wising up.

I have also heard complaints about the Free Lakota Bank is not returning calls.  Shocker…. I will be releasing more on the truth about Free Lakota Bank later. I already suspect that I am going to get “nothing” also.

I am posting some helpful links and phone numbers and suggest you do your own due diligence.

  1. Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott
  2. The Federal Trade Commission hotline 877-382-4357
  3. South Dakota Attorney General 605-773-3215
  4. You can also contact your local State Attorney General

Update 4: The only thing that really matters is your name.Screen Shot 2013-04-24 at 4.01.46 PM
You got it from your father,
It was all he had to give,
So its yours to use and cherish,
For as long as you may live.
If you lose the watch he gave you,
It can always be replaced,
But a black mark on your name son,
Can never be erased.
It was clean the day you took it,
And a worthy name to bare,
When he got it from his father,
There was no dishonor there.
So be sure you guard it wisely,
After all is said and done,
You’ll be glad the name is spotless,
When you give it to your son.
– Anonymous
Screen Shot 2013-04-25 at 8.17.09 AMUpdate 5: Free Lakota BankI got an email this morning that they are doing extremely well and they have hired extra staff, so answering some of these questions should be very simple.  If you have silver with the Free Lakota Bank, here are some questions you may want to ask…

  1. Where is the bank? Where are the offices? Who is the staff besides Eddie Allen in Dallas? Is there anybody in the 605 area code associated with the Free Lakota Bank?
  2. Does the Mulligan Mint in Dallas have the Free Lakota Bank safe in their mint?  Are there more safes? How are the assets segregated? Where is you silver?
  3. Is it insured? Can you see proof of insurance?
  4. When was it audited last? By whom? Where are the results?
  5. What Republic of Lakotah  projects  does the General Development Fund go to?
  6. Do they even have a location on the Lakotah property after all of these years?
  7. Why does the Republic of Lakotah say they are, “in NO WAY associated with this new “freelakotabank.” Caveat Emptor!“?
  8. Who owns the Free Lakota Bank? Is it even a legal entity? Where is it registered? If not, who lays claim to the assets?
  9. According to Whois Domain Lookup Rob Gray registered the domain Sept. 7th 2008. What is his relationship to the Free Lakota Bank?
  10. Can funds from the Free Lakota Bank be used for private or personal investments? What safe guards or transparency are in place to ensure your investment?

The good thing is that according to the site “Withdrawing: Any and all withdraws from the Free Lakota Bank will be issued in AOCS Approved Silver medallions. The currency can be shipped direct from the bank or may be issued by an AOCS Trade Coordinator or Authorized Dealer.”  This is great since the minting fee to produce these coins is relatively high and since they still have unjustly kept my dies and my coins are AOCS Approved you should get your silver in Freedom Girls or Slave Queens.  Considering the premiums on these coins right now compared to the raw value of silver, this might be a good time to explore those options.

Update 6:  The “Buzzard Dollar” is reborn.

The Morgan Dollar was derided as one of the ugliest coins in the US Mint history and was loosely called the “Buzzard Dollar”.  In an effort to quickly roll out another coin to keep the game going, the Mulligan Mint is using an altered Morgan Dollar Reverse as the back of the Redoubt coin.  What makes this worse is that the .999 looks like a 666.  At least they had the decency not to use my Reverse.

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Original Morgan Reverse on Left. New Redoubt Reverse on right.

Screen Shot 2013-04-24 at 8.51.47 PMUpdate 7: More excuses to buy more time… Today comes the announcement that the Mulligan Mint will ONCE AGAIN fail to deliver on their promised deadlines.  We have people from January still not fulfilled despite a $10 drop in the price of silver…  Rob Gray told me that I would get “nothing” and I have since severed ties…  and they still have the still have the arrogance to launch with two new partners and coins?!

And since when do they care about quality?  From day one quality has been a major issue that has never been resolved.  I would ask you to find out what supplier “failed” with sub-par blanks, but I already know it is BS.

Failed with the end of March deadline…

then April 8th…

then Tax Slave Day April 15th…

and now April 26th.

Something really stinks!

File an online complaint with Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott

 Update 8: May 2nd and STILL all orders are not fulfilled.

Despite all of the fake promises to fulfill all orders we are close to a MONTH past the April 8th deadline and orders are still not fulfilled.  I mean there are orders from January/February and $10 higher silver NOT fulfilled.  The customers that are left are the largest orders by volume and there is no way of knowing how many thousands of ounces are still owed.  Snap out of denial and take action.  Small claims court could be an option or you can file a complaint, do your own due dilligence.

  1. Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott
  2. The Federal Trade Commission hotline 877-382-4357
  3. South Dakota Attorney General 605-773-3215
  4. You can also contact your local State Attorney General

Update 9: Moving Forward with Silver Bullet Silver Shield

I have been like Janus wrapping up the past with lawyers and investigators and working towards the future with new partners retail and production partners.  I am going forward alone to continue to do what I do best design and promote SBSS silver.  I have no interest in the minting or sales of these coins and will only act as the intermediary between the largest retailers and the two mints that will produce the coins.  I have established a connection with a reputable mint to produce Proof SBSS and I hope by the end of today I will have a BU production mint locked on.  These mints are long established, independent, family owned mints that have a reputation for great quality, dependable delivery times, excellent reputation.  I am excited to see what these coins can do when I can launch  more designs, get quicker turn around times, and superior quality.

I am shooting for the end of May to launch War Bird and Love.  I hope to launch 1 coin a week after that.  I will continue to work solely with Heidi Wastweet and limit the time these coins will be available. Despite the crazy market for silver, I am shooting for the same price points of $2.99 over spot for BU and $14.99 for Proof.  I believe the combination of my designs and promotions, Heidi’s excellent work, low price points, the largest retailers, and finally a dependable and quality partner producing the coins we will be able to restart the fire very quickly.

Update 10: Enter the Clowns

How many other bloggers are going to try to jump into my boots?  Well the latest is the stoner, BitConer Adam Kokesh, this despite all of the drama of tremendous delivery failures, shoddy quality, awful customer service and the final coup de grace of Rob Gray telling me that I would get “nothing”.   It seems that some bloggers will turn a blind eye to sell their customers out for a quick buck. (Or so they think.)  The wonderful thing with this is that I have warned everyone and their customers will provide the money to fulfill orders from months ago that are still waiting.

Despite all of the efforts the Mulligan Mint is trying to do to stay alive, I do not believe they will last long since this is such a small world in the silver community.  You don’t stay in business too long by screwing customers and partners over.  I don’t think too many people are going to trust them and it is clear many of the major retailers will no longer expose themselves to the inherent risks associated with them.  I will do everything in my power with speaking out, investigators and lawyers to take care of those injured in this drama.  The good thing is that I was ONLY involved with them for 7 months and they have nowhere near the 92,000 ounces once owed when I shut down sales on March 11th nearly TWO MONTHS ago.

Screen Shot 2013-04-18 at 12.28.44 PMI want everyone to watch this latest video from Adam Kokesh as I break down the lies and you will hear from his own mouth that Rob Gray and the Mulligan Mint are going to try to sell Slave Queen and Freedom Girl with other backs on it.  This is the sleaziest thing I have ever heard any mint doing.  Since I am the Copyright Owner, ANY infringement will only lead to more people to be involved in my lawsuits I am pursuing.  It is insane to think that a manufacturer has ownership of intellectual property that I own.  Rob says he paid for the dies, but that came from profits of the sales I brought in and their part of the dealer was to produce and fulfill.

What person in the world would ever trust the Mulligan Mint to produce their coins, when they clearly intend on stealing it for their own.  Then think about the current owners of SBSS coins, I want these coins to be fulfilled and retired long ago and now it seems there is going to be no end until a Judge puts an end to this once and for all.  I don’t want the dies to produce more, I WANT THEM DESTROYED so the BS ends.

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Before…

‘It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.” -Upton Sinclair

Feel free to thumbs down on YouTube, but don’t bother commenting, you will just get banned.

http://youtu.be/1fvE_g6pb9M

00:32 “Obviously and blatantly wrong”  Originally an 92,000 ounce back log from March 11th that was promised to be taken care of originally in 2 weeks by Rob… then promised to have everyone delivered by April 8th… then the sudden resignation of the Director of Sales April 11th… everyone owed money and or silver while he takes trips to Singapore and buys a mansion on an airstrip… no replies to my emails… selling major retailers despite my  total shut down of  sales on March 11th further pushing PAID customer orders back… missing the April 15th relaunch date because they still did not deliver…  no responses… then BS emailed excuses… and FI

NALLY I had to fly down to Dallas to see for my face that Rob had no intention of making things right when he told me to my face that I would get nothing that I was owed and I could not even find out what the customers were owed.  So yeah Adam, something was obviously and blatantly wrong.

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After?

00:36 “claiming he lost a lot of money without documentation to back it up. I wanted to see the numbers…”  I have never seen a clean Profit and Loss statement the entire time.  Throughout the entire ordeal I was extremely patient as they were struggling to keep up with the tremendous demand I created but when I became suspicious something was nefarious going on I sought to mitigate the problem by shutting down sales in March and trying to make a clean break.  Every time I asked to see a statement I was told that they were between book keepers and they were always days a way from getting it done.  Never was their a real accountant allowed to see the books.  My estimate of loss is from the former Sales Director on what he told me that I am still owed, and even he will will tell you that he has no idea what that really is since not even HE was allowed to see the books.  Meanwhile Rob plays in Singapore and goes home to his Mansion on an airstrip…

00:42 “Pretending he did not make any money.”  I never claimed not to make any money, just not what I was owed.  I did get my only wire of $75,000 in March and that was just fraction of the money and silver that I was owed.  I also waited for months for my own silver while others got fulfilled using my silver for a rolling inventory.  I was able to finally get my metal back this spring.  Like a good Marine leader, I always was patient and put myself at the end of the line in terms of fulfillment and payment.  Never would I consider to lead others into a danger for a quick profit.  Meanwhile my “partner” was running up hundreds of thousands in credit card bills traveling the world with his family and buying mansions.  The thing that is very obvious to me, everyone is owed money except Rob.

00:52 “I checked the books, I have seen the paper work”  Really because I never have.  Perhaps you can send it to me or my lawyer or post something online?  Where did you get your accounting degree from?  Do you typically trust people that have been shown to lie especially when it is clear that they would profit off of it?  Did you disclose your $4,000 a month sponsorship for the Mulligan Mint before you did this video?  Was the trip to Dallas paid for buy Rob?  Can you tell me how much I sold because I never saw the second set of books that showed the hundreds of thousands of sale to online retailers?

00:58 “For the little value you contributed”  Laughably insane statement.  Before Rob met me he was selling copper coins and water ionizers.  I brought him publicity and business.  I estimate that 90% of all of the business that went through that place was a direct result of my connection and reputation.  The sales, the investors, the depositors, the other bloggers, the retailers… They went from 4 employees to 45 while I was there.  There WAS NO MINT before me, just an empty warehouse with no presses.   And despite whatever you think it was worth it was a 50/50 split in profits on my stuff and 30% of Coins For The Cause coins that include your sorry silver sales Adam.

01:03 ” You made out like  bandit to the tune of $182,000″  I got one wire for $75,000 in March and NO 1099 for all of last year’s business with the Mulligan Mint.  And that still does not get over the fact that my customers are still not fulfilled, I am out my 1,500 ounces and according to the former sales director an estimated $250,000 and that is before the Coins for the Cause profits.

01:07 “And now you are thinking you are going to start your own mint, on a lie.” The only lie in that statement is that I was planning to start my own mint.  I never even considered starting a mint when there are clearly others that have been doing it much longer than I that will take better care of my designs and customers.  In fact I am talking with 3 mints to produce future coins.  The mint is the easily and most needed replacement of this whole drama.

01:22 “Never see a deal like this again” Geez I hope so, I would hate to be ROBbed from ever again like this.  It is not all about money, I have walked away from my family’s inheritance for a greater purpose and would never sell my soul for money.  I have better mints, with better quality, better prices, and better turn around times and a larger more reliable retail network to work with.

I will be adding more to this later, but it is just all BS…  feel free to jump into the comment section and help wade through the lies.

Update 11: Desperation sets in at the Mulligan Mint.

With now three failed posted Silver Bullet Silver Shield launches and a withering retail support the Mulligan Mint seems intent on either continuing selling Slave Queens and Freedom Girls with or without the Silver Bullet Silver Shield.  (Start watching 9:50)  The best thing about this people will not being trusting Mulligan Mint or Adam Kokesh.  Like I told Rob Gray,  you only get one name in this world and I am confident despite all of this drama, my name is still very well intact.

 

The time, money, publicity, retailers, suppliers, customers, employees, investors, depositors, and legal action is slipping away from what once felt the abundance mentality.  I believe that the we are weeks, if not days, of the final implosion of this drama.

I will caution everyone in dealing with the Mulligan Mint or any paid trolls the same warning the Republic of Lakotah warned about Rob Gray’s Free Lakota Bank… Caveat emptor!

Screen Shot 2013-05-06 at 10.04.16 AM Update 12:  Coins For (Rob) The Cause Affiliate Webinar

There is an affiliate webinar tonight for another coin launch trying to recapture the magic of what they once had with the Silver Bullet Silver Shield.

Like a husband that in unfaithful with his wife by cheating on her with a mistress in Vegas, it will never be the same again.

The silver community is far to small to break trust so egregiously, at so many different levels to think things will ever go back as it was.

You ONLY get one name and those that are affiliated with the Mulligan Mint would be better off looking for something else than ruining their name trying to resuscitate this mortally wounded enterprise.

 

 Update 13: Supposedly All Retail SBSS Orders Are Fulfilled…

That does not include the thousands of ounces that were sold behind my back to retailers or what is owed to me.  This does NOT put an end to the drama by any means.

  • They still owe thousands of ounces to major retailers that have been waiting to fulfill their clients.
  • They are still over a month behind the promised date of April 8th deadline Rob Gray promised.
  • They still produce shoddy quality work that is an insult to the fine art Heide Wastweet sculpted and the message of the Silver Bullet Silver Shield.
  • Their customer service is atrocious and full of excuses/lies.
  • The risk of massive delays in the silver stacker community is unacceptable.
  • They still are using my brand, copyrights, designs, promotional format and trademark without my clear warning not to.
  • They are threatening to use my designs to unlawfully enrich others by taking Freedom Girl and Slave Queen and putting another back on it for Adam Cokesh.
  • They still owe me at least 1,500 physical ounces of silver to me.
  • They still have not handed over the SilverBulletSilverShield . com website to me, even though it was promised that it was “mine” by Rob Gray.
  • They still act like nothing has happened and not made any effort to correct the grave failures they alone have caused.
  • They still have not destroyed or turned over the dies of all of the Silver Bullet Silver Shield series that are my designs and copyrights.
  • They still threaten to add insult to injury by creating these designs to destroy the value of limited run SBSS medallions.
  • They still have not made me whole for all of the abundance I have created and earned.
  • They still use hired/invested guns to spit on me for the abundance I have created.

Screen Shot 2013-05-08 at 7.13.39 AMUpdate 14: If It Takes Months to Fulfill 300 Orders…

…how long will it take to fulfill 55 million?  The Mulligan Mint is trying their 4th?, 5th?, 6th? failed launch in the aftermath of the end of their involvement of the Silver Bullet Silver Shield series.  How many of these ill conceived coins are they going to try to push out without addressing the systemic failures they have?

The latest attempt is based off of the homo erotic, violent movie 300.  The idea is that if 300 men can can stand against a invading army, then what could 55 million do?

“For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague.” -Marcus Tullius Cicero

The first flaw I see is that those 300 men were bound by honor and trust.  They we powerful because they had implicit trust for their brothers to watch their back.  The actions of Jack Spirko and the Mulligan Mint have shown that there is no honor in stealing someones designs, silver, ideas and names.  Trust has been broken simply delivering silver, much less putting someones life on the line.  I thank God that this happened now and I got to see the true nature of these actors before TSHTF.

My experience in the Marine Corp taught me to never break trust, even if it means taking the hardest blows for yourself.  The reason why I am the last one holding the bag, is that I consistently put myself last to make sure others were taken care of.  That is why the customers are getting fulfilled and I am out over $250,000, my silver, my dies, my website and the rest.  The slanderous attacks from the likes of Jack Spirko and Adam Cokesh show that these men are more concerned with their own asses rather than doing what is right.

“100 Billion Dollars!” – Dr. Evil

BDD_DR_evil_12.16.08The second flaw I see is, where are they getting 55 million from?  Even in the sheeple world, Mitt Romney only got 58 million votes in the last Presidential election.  Why stop at  55 million if we are just making up numbers?  Why not 1 billion?!

I estimate that there are between 2-5 million one offs of the INTJ personality that would even consider that their world is flawed.  The grand majority of them are either ignorant or invested in the current paradigm to even begin the process of awakening.  And those that do take this journey, only a small percentage of those people make it to the Acceptance Stage, where they take positive productive action in their lives.  And of those people that have made it that far they have no room in their lives for deceit or risk that is clearly at play here.

Military men are just dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy.” -Henry Kissinger

The third flaw I see is, why a Sentinel?  Sentinels are guards of a collective.  They are men that follow orders of rulers and not allowed to, even for a moment, think about what is best for themselves.  My indoctrination in the Marine Corps infantry demanded ‘instant an willing obedience to orders’.  This brain washing technique is used to trick well meaning men into sacrificing themselves for the Debt and Death their rulers profit from.

Leaderless resistance is about every man a leader, not a blind follower.  I created the Sons of Liberty Academy for that very reason.  Every person should have the knowledge and logic to do what is best for themselves and their loved ones.  The resonating power of awakened and empowered individuals, stands in stark contrast to what is being portrayed in this ill conceived coin.

“Hurt people, hut people.” -Will Bowen

The fourth flaw is, the abusive psychopathic nature of these 300 warriors.  So much of our media is designed to desensitize us to psychopathic behavior.  At every turn, we are to think that it is acceptable, or worse cool, to act like a psychopath.  In the movie 300, the Spartans physically and mentally abused their young boys to become unemphatic killers.  This brings out the animal instincts that are the worst in humanity.

More military men are dying from suicide than in combat.  Is it any wonder why hundreds of thousands of strong men are suffering with the abuse, violence and guilty consciousness that arises from this mindset?  We have brain washed kids with violence for the power and profit of those that own this paradigm.  The real trauma to humanity is felt on both sides of the destruction we deal on a daily basis.

“Let them march all they want, so long as they pay their taxes.” -Alexander Haig

The fifth flaw is that this is another collective effort against a collective problem.  These guys cannot seem to help themselves to put themselves at the head of a collective they run, as they put all of the risk on to those that listen to their orders.  This is not only obvious in these bloggers selling coins with a mint that is fraught with risk, but even Adam Cokesh planned armed march into Washington D.C.  This plan is an obvious publicity attempt to further enrich Adam Cokesh, but even Alex Jones can’t even get behind it.

“Fool me once, shame on … shame on you. Fool me… You can’t get fooled again!” – George Bush

The final flaw is that they must think that we are either greedy or stupid.  It is insane or insulting to think that they are ever going to find success ever again in this very small silver community without admitting and correcting the past.  People supported the Silver Bullet and the Silver Shield because of the message.  They no longer need to deal with the risk, awful customer service and shoddy quality of the mint.  Especially because yours truly, who got this thing all started, is left empty handed.

The Silver Bullet Silver Shield is about empowering yourself and walk away from the toxic things in your life.  The wheels of justice grind slowly, but the individual withdrawing support is final.  I appreciate all of the hundreds of emails, comments and conversations of support and I am confident that I will be able to pick up right where I left off with better partners and momentum.

I understand that I only have one name and I have done everything in my power to protect it and others that have trusted me.  If the Mulligan Mint, and those involved in this drama, have any shot at any success in the future, it would be in their best interest to make everyone whole and move on.  I would have nothing to say anymore about this, if that was the case.

Interesting side note: The Mulligan Mint was named after Midas Mulligan from Atlas Shrugged.  The irony is that before Midas shut down his bank, he made sure all people were made whole.

I am still waiting.

Update 15: The Mulligan Mint Has Gone Rogue

The Mulligan Mint has broken off all mediation talks and are planning on stealing my next 4 designs.

DO NOT PARTICIPATE IN THIS CRIME.

I will be releasing my first YouTube video and proceeding with my pending litigation now that all talks have ended.

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Update 16: Honest Men and Thieves video released

 

Update 17: Desperate, Delusional, Idiots

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It seems the latest actions from the Mulligan Mint are best described by the hundreds of emails I got over the past 24 hours as desperate, delusional, idiots.  The  insanity of Rob Gray claiming, “co-founder of Silver Bullet Silver Shield” reeks of desperation.

I wrote the Silver Bullet and the Silver Shield February 25th, 2011.  The article was read by over 400,000+ people and translated into 7 different languages.  It was the reason I got to meet David Morgan and it was hailed by Jason Hommel as “The BEST article written on silver in Ten Years!”

I then went on to create 6 1/2 hours in 45+ videos on YouTube starting January 24th 2012.  The Silver Bullet Silver Shield videos were seen by over 1.8 million people world wide.  All of this while Rob Gray was probably selling water Ionizers or copper coins at carnivals.

It is my success that Rob sought to leverage to his own  personal fortune.  My brand, my ideas, my designs, my contacts, and my reputation.  That is why he contacted me to write his opening statement for Ron Paul August 2012.  He has no ideas of his own and only seeks to ensnare others into his trap.

Screen-Shot-2013-04-18-at-12.28.44-PM-150x78 I am the ONLY Copyright Owner and that is on tens of thousands Certificate of Authenticity they sent out.

I am the designer of all of all of the Silver Bullet Silver Shield medallions.

I am the creator of the Silver Bullet Silver Shield articles, videos, DVDs, and silver medallions.

Rob can ignore reality, but like Ayn Rand said , “You cannot ignore the consequences of ignoring reality.”

I once asked Rob Gray what he wanted to be when he got older.  He told me that he wanted to “be a billionaire.”  I  thought that was weird asked him why?  His response was, “because I am smarter than everyone else.”  This is the first time that I really started to ask myself what have I gotten myself into.

This claim of Rob Gray “co-founding” Silver Bullet Silver Shield is almost as insane as another delusional psychopath, Al Gore, when he claimed to invent the Internet.

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BTW Do dickheads always wear their hats like this?

IMG_7227While Rob is a psychopath that does what comes naturally to him, the person I am MOST disappointed is Will Lehr aka. Silver Willy.  He was one of the first Silver Shield Group members and I have been nothing but supportive of Will. I even helped him get this job at the Mulligan Mint.  I have given him ample opportunity to make things right and that he was only staying around until he got the customers fulfilled and me paid.  Now that both of those are dead issues, he is now complicit is stealing my designs and brand and deceiving the public into thinking that Silver Bullet Silver Shield back to the way it was.

Will Lehr is empowering something he knows to be very wrong and perhaps a few emails or phone calls will convince him to man up and walk away. Will Lehr <will@coinsforthecause.com>  I don’t think a lot of people will trusting Will anyway since he is now know as Slick Willy.

Here is a Children’s Cancer Charity Auction video I did with Will when he was at another place he hated.

http://youtu.be/uFe8DBdNkrw

Update 18: Are You A Sellout?

“And what do you benefit if you gain the whole world but lose your own soul?” -Matthew 16:26

It must be crunch time at the Mulligan Mint since they are going to jump the gun and launch MY Freedom Girl and Slave Queen today, a full 4 days in advance of their previous launch date.  They have stolen my designs and perhaps today they will see that they have sold the only thing that is truly worth anything, their reputation.   I had the biggest bloggers wait for months for their affiliate commissions as the tried to fix the books.  Do not be tempted to try and make a quick buck you will probably never see, promoting thieves.

Again, anyone promoting or supporting the Mulligan Mint in this criminal effort, should be shunned from this community.

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Update 19: Mulligan Mint Implosion Contest

Mulligan Mint implosion contestIn the middle of all of this drama I thought it might be fun to have a contest where I can give away all of the silver Rob gave me when I met him in Washington D.C. for Ron Paul’s Congressional Testimony last summer.

All entries will be posted in the comment section by the first to answer to the questions below.

1. Whoever guesses the day the Mulligan Mint closes for good, will receive my 5 oz Lakota Proof round numbered “300” on the side.  This round was used by Rob Gray in his congressional testimony and was held by Ron Paul himself.

2. Whoever guesses when the day that Free Lakota Bank closes for good, will receive 4 1 oz. Proof Lakota rounds.

3. Whoever guesses the day that the first State or Federal agency or tax authority raids the Mulligan Mint, will receive 3 1oz. Proof Andrew Jackson rounds.  (Two can play the irony game.)

4. Whoever guesses the day that Will Lehr quits/fired from the Mulligan Mint, will receive 2 1oz. Proof Ludwig von Mises rounds with the words “Tu Ne Cede Malis” or do not give in to evil.

5. Whoever has the highest rated comment on the Honest Men and Thieves video, will receive a 1 oz. BU Andrew Jackson round.

6. Whoever guesses the day Rob Gray flees the country to Singapore, will receive a 1 oz. Rob Gray copper round business card with his own personal narcissistic, vanity phone number on it that we can call looking for him, 855-Rob-Gray.

The Grand Prize is for whoever guesses the day that I get all of my customers fulfilled, my dies, my URL, my silver, my money that I am owed and this entire drama ends, will receive a 3 oz triple stacked 2012 Trivium in a cracked die collar.  This symbolizes how the Silver Bullet and the Silver Shield built the Mulligan Mint and how it will ultimately break it’s back. 

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Update 20: It’s a Trap!

It looks like they plan on launching today.  Like I warned all of the other bloggers, future sales will only go to bailing out the previous people who bought into this. This needs to end, DO NOT BUY ANYTHING FROM THE MULLIGAN MINT.

Update 21: The Original Email That Started The Silver Bullet Silver Shield coin.

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I have the entire email chain from start to finish of my ideas, for my designs, for my coins ,with my brand, backed by my reputation and effort in the silver community.    I am the one that came up with the designs, elements, layout, symbolism, message, branding and so forth.  Any false claims on my work will be met with litigation and public scrutiny.

Update 22: Tell Rob Gray I said, “Hi”

In what will no doubt be his last public appearance, Rob Gray will be at the Metals & Minerals Investment Conference in New York, May 13-14.  I would love to know the silver community’s response to his arrogant presence given the fact that he has now crossed the line and not only stolen past profits and silver, but now is stealing and producing stolen designs of mine.   Please send me any video or YouTube links asking Rob to explain himself and his actions.  Things like, how is he the co-founder of Silver Bullet Silver Shield?  Or how he thinks my copyrighted work is his?  Or if he owns Free Lakota Bank?  Are Free Lakota Bank’s depositors money used for personal ventures? Or if he needs any tax advice?  Don’t expect him to flinch since these guys swim in their own self delusion, but it is very helpful for people to see the insanity.

Update 23: Mulligan Mint is “best in the industry!”

Speaking of delusion, watch “Why The Mulligan Mint”for a good laugh.  Rob Gray actually says that the Mulligan Mint has the turn around times that are the “best in the industry!”  This only 20 seconds after the head of production said that they weren’t and they show that little toy caster that snails out silver as slow as anything I have ever seen.   We can also forget about the epic delays from day 1 that all of us have experienced, or the shoddy quality or awful customer service or that they can steal your designs if you make something that really sells.  You can forget about leaving a comment since they would not want people to laugh too hard.  You can feel free to laugh at it here though in our growing comment section.

Update 24: Silver Gold Bull, Silver Doctors, Provident Metals And Many Other SBSS Retailers Will Not Support The Criminal Relaunch Of My Designs

I am very happy to hear that the majority of the former SBSS retail partners will NOT be supporting the Criminal Relaunch Of My Designs. is a huge vote in confidence from the customers that made this decision very easy for these retailers.  The out pouring of support for my claims is only icing on the cake for these professional retailers break ties with a mint that has clearly shown that they cannot deliver on time, cannot produce quality products and cannot properly support the customer service.

There is no question that I am the creative force behind all of the designs on the Silver Bullet Silver Shield series.  Anyone that illegally profits off of my work and supporting the ridiculous claims of the Mulligan Mint will face both publicly and legally prosecuted.  The entire silver community is watching who will seek to risk their reputation and customers money for false promises.  Especially since these relaunched coins were supposed to be limited in nature.  Producing more of these designs, like Ben Bernanke, only seeks to destroy the value of what needs to be protected.

With the now 45 new designs Heidi Wastweet and I are planning to launch, there is much more abundance coming from us.

Thank you for the REAL support you are all offering.

 Update 25: Important Revelations

After weeks of hiding behind paid or invested shills, Rob Gray is finally answering some questions himself.

RRobi31729 on YouTube got and exclusive video interview with Rob Gray at last week’s Metals Conference in New York where he got some very good revelations about what is going on.

I would like to give my shot by shot analysis of his explanations and let you decide.

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2:00 He asks who is the designer of the coins and Rob cleverly answers that Heidi Wastweet is the sculptor (sculptress) knowing full well that I designed everything.

3:00 When asked about their relationship to me Rob nervously flicks his face and simply says that he partnered with me.

3:30 When asked about moving to Singapore, Rob responds that they are in fact planning on opening a second operation in Singapore.  This is very important because one of the things that made me end this relationship is the fact that while his Mulligan Mint in Dallas was shut down for weeks with a 92,000 ounce backlog, he was off gallivanting in Singapore trying to raise more money to start another mint in Singapore.  He was not doing jack about the customers he left hanging in Dallas while he was staying at $500 a night hotels, half way around the world.

And now that he has just burned 95% of his retail sales to the ground by his actions, why does he even need the capacity in Dallas, much less in Singapore.  After all who is going to trust the Mulligan Mint with their designs, after they have stolen mine?

While Rob uses the libertarian, ex-patriot rational for leaving the country, the real reason why he is leaving is because he fears his past catching up to him.  I now have information (Update 26) of a former investor of Rob Gray that sued and won a $125,000 judgement!  And that Rob then declared bankruptcy and fled Philadelphia.  I am positive he is going to flee to Singapore as his past catches up to him again. (More on that later in Update 26.)

4:30 Why are you continuing minting Freedom Girl and Slave Queen?  He says that they committed to limited time launches and uses his failure to produce in an adequate fashion as a reason for continuing the unauthorized use of my designs and brand.  The truth is he needs cash and now that it is painfully obvious that his customers have voted for me with the pitiful sales of the relaunch, time and cash are closing in.

5:31 How does the Silver Bullet Silver Shield go on without Chris?  He shows the Molon Labe coin and says that Heidi designed it.  Like Obama taking credit for job others created, NO Rob, I did that.   I am the one that came up with the ideas, elements, wording and the original art on it.  And then shows the Cannabis medallion that I also designed and first showed publicly in my Honest Men and Thieves video at 8:53

6:22 I will never come back and expose myself, my designs and my reputation to Rob Gray or the Mulligan Mint again. The only rational discussion I am interested in is getting back what was stolen from me.

8:56 When asked about quality, it is simply too little too late.  For 7 months we all dealt with horrible quality and now?! he does what he should have been doing all along?

Rob says that people should send their coins back and that they would pay for shipping. Yeah, like anyone is going to trust sending these coins back to a Mint that took months to deliver these shoddy coins in the first place!

9:33 Rob insults the customers by mocking them when it is clearly shoddy quality that even my 4 year old son can see. I personally have kept all of my coins, because they are all unique, but that is no way to run a mint.
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1:55 Rob asks for the customers to be reasonable and rational.  The only reasonable and rational thing to do at this point is to never do business again with the Mulligan Mint

3:33 When asked why he has not responded to my allegations, Rob tries to take the high road as he stands in front of all of my designs he stole.  The insanity of that fact is felt by anyone who knows what is going on.  Forget about the hundreds of thousands in profits and silver…

3:56 “We have a partnership and he has some responsibilities.”  I fulfilled my end of this deal by creating the hottest selling designs and generating the marketing to promote them.  (All of this he admits later in the video.)  When Rob Gray and the Mulligan Mint failed over and over again to do their part of the deal to produce and fulfill, I ended it.  I have no commitment to the Mulligan Mint, especially now that they stole my money, silver and designs.

4:28 “Tens of thousands of customers” Is that why you cannot sell anything anymore?  The relaunch has failed because they never addressed the reason why people made it successful in the first place.  People in the silver community are not stupid.  They walked away from the Debt and Death paradigm and they are not going to put up with the same behavior inside this small community.

4:51 “I don’t know what Chris expects from us?”  Here is what I would expect from you, Rob, deliver the remaining dealer orders that you STILL have not fulfilled, give me what I am owe in terms of profits and silver, turn over or destroy the dies, and hand over my SilverBulletSilverShield.com website.

I also do not actually expect you to do anything of that sort, which is why my lawsuit will be on your desk this week.   I might also be releasing all of the information about the past in Philadelphia Rob thought he ran away from including…

  • The investor lawsuit Rob Gray lost which led to his bankruptcy.
  • What happened with Rob’s grandmother Anna’s last will and testament.
  • The trail of destruction of companies, investors, employees, and vendors Rob left behind.  TyentUSA_Exposed
  • And much more…

5:40 “There is not one customer waiting for orders.”  While retail orders have been fulfilled, there are still thousands of ounces still owed to wholesalers and yours truly.  Once you see the past in Philadelphia Rob has, you will see the pattern of abuse is at the investor, employee and vendor level.  Why piss off a $100 customer, when there are bigger fish?

6:24 “We have partnership with the largest refiner in the western hemisphere.” NTR-OPM is now the largest silver refiner, not Republic Metals.

“Chris walked 2 days after we signed that deal knowing full well that we have reserves of silver.”  Rob had talked for months about the deal with Republic Metals, but he could not provide proper accounting to satisfy them as far as I last heard.  Heck I never saw a straight set of book because he never hired a proper accountant for fear that someone would hand over the books to the government.   And after what has happened now, I would be shocked to learn that Republic went ahead to supply silver on the arm like he wished for.  Perhaps a few emails into Republic Metals will clarify that…  info@republicmetalscorp.com

7:01 “Encourage Chris to sit down like a gentleman and work things out.”  I entered into two mediations with two people we both respect and both times Rob would not make good on his past debts to me, before we even talked about any future possibilities.   All he was interested in is getting me further into debt to him and never making me whole.

I even offered twice to forgo all profits owed to me just to get my silver, dies and URL and end the insult to injury.  As a part of the mediation, I even offered to take down all postings and send a mass email to my 40,000 person email list and 36,000 person YouTube community stating that I no longer had any claims against Rob, if he returned what was mine.  Twice he rejected that generous offer.  Now I have a slam dunk case and will no longer negotiate.

7:35 Going forward is Chris continuing to get “his” (profits)?  Rob says only after I come back to the table and stop slamming him here, will I get what is owed.  Again, that was part of the mediation that once I was made whole I would take down all videos and articles related to this subject.  He seems to not grasp the concept of what came first and what needs to be done first.  He stole my money, silver and designs long before I did one article or video speaking the truth about him.  At this point it really does not matter, as the lawsuit will settle this.

7:55 Rob admits that I did my job “awesome” and that he is the one that failed.

8:05 Rob admits that when we first started they were sub contracting out the work to other mints.  This will be very important later on as he will try to claim like I owe him something for the risk he took in starting his mint.  I have no ownership or obligation to the Mulligan Mint or the investors that knowingly or unknowingly funded this operation.

“The mint they subcontracted to went out of business.”  What Rob fails to say is that mint was Old Glory Mint was involved in a $100 million PONZI SCHEME!

8:38 See the millions of dollars in facility.  The question is not if there is machinery or silver there, it is whose money is it and do they know that it is used for Rob Gray’s personal ventures.  Or how many investors bought into mint.  I must have talked to dozens of people that said Rob offered them 5% to 10% of the mint for as low as $80,000 to as high as $250,000.  I wonder how many took him up on that offer and if at the end of the day that number adds up to 100%?

9:21 On moving to Asia… He wants to have all of his “hot” technology shipped to Asia.  Earlier he said he was going to have his extrusion press across the street in Dallas, now he wants it in Asia?  I believe that he is just looking for another “investor” to fund that dream.  After all why build another mint in Asia just to ship silver strip half way around the world to do all of the work out here?  Especially when he can do it in Dallas and there are plenty of companies that would do it quicker here.  And I highly doubt that the “deal” with Republic Metals would have come through on that business model.  Or that the Dallas Mint will stay in business one day after a mint opens in Singapore.

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3:22 “We can do 150,000 ounces a month and want to get it up to 4 to 5 million.”  Is that why it took the Mulligan Mint months to deliver 92,000 ounces?  And whatever capacity he may have, they are certainly not going to sell that much.

“Solid distribution network” most of the retailers and customers I have spoken to would never go through the long wait times, shoddy production and awful customer service, ever again.

“Chris will be excited to see the world’s largest precious metals dealer will be carrying Freedom Girl.”  If Apmex does decide to carry Freedom Girl now, after they wisely sat on the sideline not willing to risk their reputation with an unproven Mulligan Mint, that would be the worst decision they make. 

First, they would now be involved in my lawsuit.  I am the copyright owner and Rob Gray and the Mulligan Mint do not have my permission to continue to use my designs, brand or trademarks.  I would be forced to include anyone that is profiting in this continued abuse of my copyrights.

Secondly, the customer base would let them know immediately what is really going on behind Rob’s slick pitch.  I don’t know what Rob told them, but there are thousands of people who have read my article from 2011 and the videos from 2012 and my continued publicity for my coins that know full well what is really going on.

I would be more than happy to Apmex to the other dealers who have already made their wise decision to shun this criminal behavior of stealing designs, money and silver.  This silver community is too small for this to last long.

I can also provide contacts with the multiple state and federal investigators that are looking into this matter.

You can let your voice be heard.

info@APMEX.com
purchasing@APMEX.com

5:02 About Chris’s “goals”.  Rob is constantly suggesting like I have some ulterior motive like starting another mint and that is my “real” reason for this breakup.   I just signed a production agreement with a ISO certified mint to produce the next in the Silver Bullet Silver Shield series.  I have NO investment in this decade old mint nor do I wish to.  I have no interest in any investment before the dollar collapse, other than silver.  My only REAL reason for this break up is exactly what I have been stating all along in this now 10,000 words article about walking away with what is owed.

Going forward, I will not even have my own retail operation to sell my silver.   This will be a huge boon to those that wisely decide which side they are on.  I will have SBSS Authorized Retailers with major online retailers to handle all retail sales.  Rob’s business model actually competes against the online retailers where the grand majority of the retail sales went through.  Knowing that Rob only has four more stolen designs of mine and I have 45+ designs coming with Heidi Wastweet and a proven ISO certified mint production,  I think the choice will be easy for any online retailer to make.

5:16 Rob confirms again the major failures he had on his end of the bargain.

6:39 Rob admits that Silver Bullet and Silver Shield was not his idea despite his statement that he is co-founder and displaying HIS famous Freedom Girl, Slave Queen and Debt and Death sculpts and dies.

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7:00 “He has asked us to destroy the dies and sculpts that are worth hundreds of thousands of dollars.”  No they are worth a few thousand and were part of the production process they failed to fulfill.  They are only worth more because of the value I created and I no longer want stolen from me.  I did not want those sculpts and dies to fall into the wrong hands besides Rob.  Now it is too late….

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Update to the update:  This has been removed off of the site. Geez even the Chinese took it down before Rob Gray and the Mulligan Mint.

7:41 “Chris has got some work to do to get back to the table.”  The only work I have to do is have my lawyer get what is mine.  Hopefully he wont flee Dallas like he did in Philadelphia.  I did not want the escrow, because I already offered to forgo all profits he owes me in return to turn over what is mine.

He keeps talking about continuing a partnership… by not only stealing from that partner, but then adding insult to injury to steal his designs and future profits.

9:18 “We never force anyone to do anything they don’t want to do.” This seconds after he says that I need to take him to court instead of rightfully handing over what is mine. Some voluntary relationship…

9:51 “Anything you try to build and growing something, there is always some out there trying to take it away from you like in this situation and it is a shame.” Almost as ironic as when he said that “There could be no fair competition between honest men and thieves.”

 

Update 26: The Skeletons Come Out Of The Closet

I believe Karma only works when people speak out.  God cannot do His works if people sit on their hands and wait.

This week I got extremely interesting email…

Dear Chris;

My name is Glenn A. Tener and have known Rob Gray for the last 15 years ever since I was a partner and investor in his technology businesses in the Philadelphia area 10 years ago.  He stole money from me and countless of others including friends, employees, investors, vendors and others.  I sued him in court and had a judgment on him and his companies for over $125,000! Below is an email that I sent him.  He is a true psychopath and has no regard for anybody but himself and will stop at nothing to get what he wants no matter who he hurts.  He definitely belongs in jail.  You can call me at 215.***.**** and I could tell you a lot of information about his dealings in Philadelphia that could help you.

Sincerely;
Glenn A. Tener

 

From: Glenn A. Tener [mailto:******@*******.net]
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 12:31 PM
To: ‘rgray@opencurrency.com’
Cc: ‘*******@yahoo.com’
Subject: FW: ROB GRAY DONE

Congratulations Rob!  You are still FUCKING people out of their money!  You are doing the same thing in Dallas that you did in Philadelphia 15 years ago!  LOL.  You idiot!  When are you going to learn!  Jail for you is certain and imminent.  I gave them my full cooperation and help of course (see the email and link below that was sent to me).  After knowing you for last 15 years you have not changed a bit.  You are still a LIAR, CHEATER, THIEF, AND CON ARTIST.

I will do you a favor and forward this email to all of your “friends”, former employees, investors/victims from Philadelphia that you stole money from.  I am sure they will be very happy for you.  Good luck in jail.

Your good friend
Glenn

 

From: Jack ****** [mailto:********@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 9:48 AM
To:******@*******.net
Subject: ROB GRAY DONE

This could be your chance to finally get him…..

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After my first conversation with Glenn, I was left aghast at the level of abuse at play here.   We are definitely dealing with someone that has a pattern of abuse that goes back to his earliest relationships.  This pattern continues over and over again with different faces and places without any regard of the damage done.  I have also had conversations since then that would leave even the most paid off shill will not willing to associate with Rob Gray.

If anyone has more information on Rob’s past in Philadelphia they can contact me at DTOMsola (at) Yahoo.com or feel free to publish yourself in the comment section below.  There are a great many parties highly interested in this information that would establish a pattern of abuse long established before I ever got in contact with Rob Gray.  This information can be kept confidential or public, used in pending litigation and/or forwarded to investigators.

Now that I am done trying to mediate with this guy, I will use any information to make sure justice is done this time.

 Update 27: Seriously?!

The latest failure to come from the Mulligan Mint is Bix Weir’s coin. 

This looks like a Charlie Brown character loving the Fed and the US Government.

Bix, there are no benevolent bankers and there are no good guys coming to save us…

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Screen Shot 2013-05-21 at 12.36.21 PMUpdate 28: The Skeletons Speak Out

Earlier in Update 26, I got an email from Glenn Tener about Rob’s dark past in Philadelphia.  I have been speaking to so many people from there, that I really don’t know where to begin.  I can tell you that I have heard some stories that left me aghast and at a loss for words.  Rest assured, I am positive that ALL of my suspicious are now totally justified.  I don’t plan on releasing all of the information I have, because most people have already made up their minds.  I will be using the majority of  information in any cases that arise out of this drama.  (If anyone has any more information about Rob Gray’s dark past, please email me at DTOMsola (at) yahoo.com.  You can also post anonymously in the comment section below.)

Here are the public records that were forwarded to me.  Please understand that this only represents a small portion of what happened there.  Most victims I spoke to chose to turn the other cheek and move on.  Others sought justice outside the law.  Glenn and the parties below, did not.  Like myself, Glenn went after this out of a sense for justice and not just to get money.  Glenn was not ultimately able to collect on any judgements he was awarded, because Rob declared bankruptcy when he fled to Texas.

Rob Gray has moved through the technology, water ionizer, hypnosis and now the metals industries with all the same complaints.  The faces and places my change, but the racketeering is all the same.

Racketeering Particularly, the potential problem may be caused by the same party that offers to solve it, although that fact may be concealed, with the specific intent to engender continual patronage for this party.  Anytime money is owed, there is always the promise of a greater payback if they can just continue the relationship.  This is why Rob wanted me to sign on for the next 4 coin launches that he stole  from me and THEN he promised to pay.  Twice, I even offered to forgo ALL money owed to me just to make a clean break.  Now I see that this pattern is well established.  One former victim said that he was amazed to see that I refused to play along with Rob’s pattern and that gave him confidence to speak out now.  He felt so guilty for having being taken in this matter and all of the warning signs he ignored.  He said that he wishes that he was more aggressive in pursuing Rob so that others would have been spared.

The Modus Operendi is always the same and in the end the victims get “nothing”.  (Hmmm sounds familiar…)

Please take time to read the complaints and you make your decision.

Listen to all.

Follow none.

(Side note: It is still amazing to me that the first day I met Rob Gray, we were in Congress…)

Entities

Entity Details – SILICON EAST

Entity Details – PMP TECHNOLOGIES (The inside joke was that it was short for pimp.)

Entity Details – AIRBORN DATA

Complaints

TENER COMPLAINT–  Credit Cards, Corvettes, $800 a night Hotels, Town House Furniture, Promised Percentages of Businesses, etc.

BRANDYWINE COMPLAINT– Unpaid Rent and Taxes

DATALINK COMPLAINT– Vendor Lawsuit

SELECT BUSINESS SYSTEMS COMPLAINT – Failure to Pay Loan

McCALLION STAFFING COMPLAINT -Failure to Pay Staffing

Cases

Caption Plaintiff
TENER, GLENN A
Caption Defendant
SILICON EAST CONSULTING LLC
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Caption Plaintiff
HIGH SCHWARTZ ROBERTS ETAL LLP
Caption Defendant
GRAY, ROBERT
(Rob even screwed his attorney out of money here!)
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Caption Plaintiff
PENNA DEPT OF REV
Caption Defendant
SILICON E CONSULT LLC
http://webapp.montcopa.org/PSI/Viewer/Detail.aspx?oq=aWQ9MjAwMDEzNDY0JmVudGl0eT1DYXNl

Caption Plaintiff
BRANDYWINE OPERAT PARTSP LP
Caption Defendant
SILICON EAST COAST CONSULT LLC
http://webapp.montcopa.org/PSI/Viewer/Detail.aspx?oq=aWQ9MjAwMjA5NDQ5JmVudGl0eT1DYXNl

Caption Plaintiff
PENNA UNEMP COMP FUND
Caption Defendant
SILICON EAST CONSULTING LLC
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Caption Plaintiff
DATALINK ASSOC
Caption Defendant
SILICON EAST CONSULTING LLC
http://webapp.montcopa.org/PSI/Viewer/Detail.aspx?oq=aWQ9MjAwMTI1MDI4JmVudGl0eT1DYXNl
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Caption Plaintiff
PENNA UNEMP COMP FUND
Caption Defendant
SILICON EAST CONSULTING LLC
http://webapp.montcopa.org/PSI/Viewer/Detail.aspx?oq=aWQ9MjAwMzA1NTIxJmVudGl0eT1DYXNl
 

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Update 29- You CANNOT Make This Stuff Up!

Here is the first of three videos I got of Rob Gray doing hypnotism.  This is a News 11 Dallas station investigating Rob Gray.  He studied neuro linguistic programming (NLP) to manipulate people for a living.  Watch the self proclaimed “mind mechanic” at work.

“Feel. Don’t think.” – Rob “The Mind Mechanic” Gray

Update 30: The Further Insult to Injury.

As if stealing my money and my Slave Queen and Freedom Girl was not enough, as predicted, they are going to steal AG 47 and Cannabis.

You don’t have to wait to see it or buy it from them. 

I will be releasing the updated designs they DON’T HAVE in June.

Here is what they have illegally coming out.

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bernard_silver_summitbUpdate 31- Bernard von NotHaus of Liberty Dollar says Rob Gray , “Stole my life’s work!”

(I found this article from Bernard von NotHaus and his description of a young, broke Rob Gray that sought to take his idea for his own.  Do we start to see a pattern here.  He is a parasite.)

I take no pleasure in disclosing this sordid story. But the time has come to tell the real facts that define the differences between the American Liberty Dollar (ALD) and the American Open Currency Standard (AOCS).

In the March 7, 2012 issue of “Director’s Update!” by AOCS Director Rob Gray contains the usual ra-ra and announces “proud to announce that we’re back on track” without ever noting why they were off track and concludes by encouraging everyone “to join us in our mission to restore honest trade.”

“Restore honest trade”? Honesty, particularly in the field of “honest money” is so important, let’s start at the beginning.

To the best of my memory, some time in 2007 Gray started calling me about being a part of the Liberty Dollar. Somehow he had heard about the new gold and silver currency and was all fired up to become a RCO. No… he wanted to be the best RCO… he wanted to be the SUPER RCO… he wanted to become the National Currency Director and take my place when I retired in 2008. Unfortunately, he didn’t even have the money to be a RCO. As he tried his best to talk his way into the Liberty Dollar organization, he explained that his hypnotism business was failing, he had a wife and two children and needed a new way to make money.

Gray met me on three occasions while I was on tour, always the nice energetic young man with a lot of salesmanship, trying to find a way to participate without any money. Finally he sprang for the $100 starter kit and eventually Gray somehow became a RCO in Texas. He quickly threw himself into the Liberty Dollar with the expressed goal of taking my position when I retired. He and his wife and two children even drove from Dallas to Los Angeles for my retirement.

But for all his words, salesmanship and well intending goals to be the SUPER RCO, Gray’s performance didn’t match the other RCO’s successes. Undaunted, Gray pushed to be my successor and the National Currency Director. Unfortunately for Gray, he lacked any support within the Liberty Dollar organization. Every leader must have the support and hopefully the loyalty of the organization. In fact, everybody was opposed to Gray.

Ultimately, I named Dan Priest, a RCO in California, to be the new Executive Director of the Liberty Dollar because as a former executive with Microsoft and appeared to be better qualified. Unfortunately, Priest quickly showed he had oversold his abilities and beset with family problems at home, he quickly self-destructed.

Meanwhile, Gray would not be deterred. If he could not be the National Currency Director of the Liberty Dollar, second best would be a competitor and he created the American Open Currency Standard. Initially, Gray praised my work and acknowledged me for introducing private currency to him. As he put it, “Bernard energized my passion for honest money.” But he soon found it more advantageous business wise to bash me that ultimately materialized in his April 15 article Liberty Dollar’s arrogance ends in federal ‘guilty’ verdict that was the only negative article about my conviction, not issued by the government. As Gray states in his subtitle, “A title like that requires a LOT of explanation and background. [INDEED!]

The irony of this tragedy is that if I had appointed Gray as the Executive Director of the Liberty Dollar organization, he would certainly had been more successful than Dan Priest, and would have been arrested with me.

Although that article is a low point of Gray’s attitude about the Liberty Dollar, it did not stop Gray from flat out lying. In an era of dishonest government money and Liberty Dollar’s quest to re-establish honest sound money, I find it appalling that at the end of Gray’s latest “Update” of March 7, 2012, under Featured Articles, he features an article on “Face Value” and states: “I invite you to take a moment and read our latest AOCS article update for an in-depth overview of the AOCS Face Value, why it exists, and the formulas we developed to set the suggested exchange rate between AOCS Approved Currencies and fiat currencies.

Rob Gray did not develop those formulas. He did not even write the text in that “Face Value” article. He copied my text and my currency formulas that I developed over 24 years of research and development from 1974 to 1998 when I introduced the Liberty Dollar – the world’s first private, 100% value based, market driven currency designed to move with the metals market. He stole my life’s work. And to make matters worse, in another article he has the audacity to state, “As I wrap up this article (regarding the Liberty Dollar) and evaluate if it reached its goal, I contemplate whether it’s best to stay quiet or to point out what I consider to be valuable insight to help frame what’s really at stake in the case of the Liberty Dollar. In the freedom movement… I do not believe deception or lying is a valid method to bring people to the truth.”

Well I certainly agree that deception or lying is not a valid method to bring people to the truth. And that is doubly true in the honest money movement. I don’t trust anybody who lies to me. And neither should you. The Liberty Dollar has proven itself to be an honest currency.

Editor Note: My work has been documented in countless articles, 162 monthly newsletters from October 1998 and Chapter 48 of my 2003 book: The Liberty Dollar Solution to the Federal Reserve that details the move up from the $10 Silver Base to the $20 Silver Base. For historically purposes to set the record straight: Please note the 2006 edition of the Liberty Dollar model currency schedule is HERE. Gold Schedule of Bases and Move Up Points is HERE. Silver Schedule of Bases and Move Up Points is HERE.

Contrary to Gray lies, I fully support many other activist efforts who use the formulas that I developed. Four noteworthy efforts are: Joshua Deatherage’s Community Currency in central Missouri, Peter Affolter’s Aspen Dollar, Dave Gillie’s Ron Paul Silvers and Ron Helwig’s Shire Silver that is featured in Article 8 below.

Update 32: Why Silver Willie Quit The Mulligan Mint

By Silver Shield, on June 10th, 2013

First the Sales Director of the Mulligan Mint, Gus Demos leaves, then me, then Director of Customer Service, Laura Curry, now Silver Willie himself leaves…

Hear Will Lehr’s behind the scenes look at the drama with Silver Bullet Silver Shield and the Mulligan Mint and why he quit last Wednesday.

I will be . . . → Read More: Why Silver Willie Quit The Mulligan Mint: Update 4

Update 33: Bernard von NotHaus Speaks Out

By Silver Shield, on June 12th, 2013

bernard_silver_summitbBy: Bernard non NotHaus

Admittedly the story of Rob Gray, his brother David, the American Open Currency Standard (AOCS) and the Mulligan Mint et al the entities is a long, sorry tale. And as it is the duty of all participants in a self regulated industry such as “private minting” to protect their industry from fraud, I sound this alarm and encourage everyone involved with any of the entities listed below to take prudent action to protect their interest and their money:

Free Lakota Bank, AOCS (American Open Currency Standard), Mulligan Mint, SLV Properties (Silver Properties), AG Logistics (Silver Logistics), Coins for the Cause, Silver Bullet Silver Shield (owned by Chris Duane but claimed by Rob Gray), TSP Mint (The Survival Podcast Mint), AOCS Mint, Open Currency, Lakota Exchange, AG Trading post, ICBA: (International Commodity Banking Association) that does not exist. Need another name to keep the ponzi running? Just create another entity or a new organization like the ICBA.
Continue reading Crooked Minter Tarnishing Private Silver Reputation?

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Nope… NO SILVER HERE!

Update 34: Missing 40,000 Ounces of Silver From Surprise Audit of Republic Metal’s Silver At The Mulligan Mint?

Details are still coming in, but it has been confirmed by three sources that last week there was a surprise audit by Republic Metals at the Mulligan Mint that has shown 40,000 ounces of silver is missing!

Here are the confirmed details…

Rob was summoned to Miami last week to the Republic Metals headquarters.  Once he arrived he was escorted by two security personnel into an office for the next 7 hours.

Meanwhile in Dallas… a team of auditors and security personnel entered the Mulligan Mint.  All employees were sent home leaving David Gray alone to account for the tens of thousands of ounces of silver owned by Republic.

I have to admit, I love how Republic rolls…   Separating the criminal mastermind from the naive brother that is on the personal hook for all of this fraud, was just classic!

The end of the audit was originally reported to be missing 20,000 ounces, but now is estimated to be 40,000 ounces of silver!

The Gray Brothers now have 60 days to come up with the missing silver. 

Knowing that Rob is going to Freedom Fest today in Las Vegas, I guarantee he is going to be looking for “investors” to bail him out of this mess.

If you are at Freedom Fest, be sure to ask Rob how things are going? 😉

While I am not shocked by this fraud, given the fact since I have had over $500,000 stolen from me, I am sure a lot of people who took Rob’s side are shocked.   😉

The biggest fraud yet to be exposed is the 5 year old Rob Gray owned Free Lakota Bank and the estimated $2 million in silver deposits…

 Update 35: The Mulligan Mint Is DEAD!

$500,000 in missing profits, 71,473 ounces in missing silver, 3 Months, 2 Lawsuits, 1 DEAD Mint.

http://youtu.be/DYMj74OcrUU

 

940 comments to Update 35: I Have Severed ALL Ties With Rob Gray and Mulligan Mint

  • Drass

    I am sorry that you and your brand were screwed over by the Mulligan Mint, I am sure Rob Gray will get what he deserves. Although you were personally taken for 1500 oz I found it troubling that you did not apologize to your customers and fans for the inconvenience that it caused thousands. You explained what happened although at the end of the day this is your brand and you are ultimately responsible. I hope you will learn from this experience and use it as a spring board to grow even stronger in the near future.

    • Silver Shield

      Umm all I have been doing is alologizing for 7 months for things that I had NO control over.
      For once I would like to hear an apology from someone that actually has something to apologize for.

    • Drass

      I guess I have not been following closely the past 7 months and do not know the history, I am only referring to this last article that hit my mail box. Right or wrong Mulligan Mint clearly has troubles of their own and hopefully they will fulfill their obligations. I would suggest a suddle approach, an all out attack is not going to help anyone get their product.

      Give this time to play out and focus your energy on what you do we’ll, stay positive and continue to educate the public.

  • Tim

    Now I’m very worried about getting my order fulfilled / stolen. Damn, not sure what to do.

    • Silver Shield

      If it is a lot show up like I did and it will make any decisions for you when you get told very coldly that you will get “nothing”.
      I don’t care about what I lost but I will not put up with these people in my life.
      They do not control us.
      We empower them.
      Right now I am deleveraging their world and empowering mine.
      That is what the Silver Bullet and the Silver Shield is all about.
      Oh the irony…

  • Chris
    I’m very sorry to read what has happened. I guess it just reaffirms the need to do business with “equally yoked” partners – those who share the same values (from a Christian perspective, this means doing it’s critical that we do business with people who believe and live their lives based on biblical values). Remember – God is ultimately in charge, and those who submit to Him and to His purpose for them will “set the world on fire” (St Catherine of Sienna)
    One question – was Mulligan Mint “AOCS approved”?
    Blessings, Eric

  • Nate

    That’s unbelievable. With any luck that funds will be recovered, otherwise your friend couldn’t looking at jail. Silver business isn’t such a niche market. You wouldn’t think people in such a small industry would rip eachother off. Take the high road.

  • Am not a member Chris but I applaud your vision. We all get shafted occasionally. However your greatest asset is your own integrity and principles. Like gold that is known as the noble metal. Just keep shining. Ultimately this man’s loss is his small mind that prevented him from seeing a greater good that he could contribute and participate in.

    The reward for the life we lead is “the life we lead”.

    Thank you.

    michael

  • Dennis

    (I don’t know what happened to my first comment!?!?)

    I don’t know who this Gray character is, but as a regular viewer of American Greed, I would suggest you contact the FBI (wire fraud) and the Postal Inspection Service (mail fraud). Perhaps you can get Gray an all expenses paid vacation in a federal slammer even if you don’t get your investment back.

  • Bahman

    Sorry to hear, you have my support and waiting for your next medallions.

  • Peter

    Just another sociopathic personality that tries to make his parasitic living. The thing they fear most of all is disclosure in broad daylight.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ponerology

    • Silver Shield

      Yes they fear that but in this case I have a feeling he might fear a greater psychopath somewhere that he plans on taking care of them first with other people’s money.
      Rob did not bat an eye when I told him that I have the reputation and voice to bring a lot of eyes on him.
      He simply said that I would get “nothing”.

      • DreadMatt

        Wow that’s seriously insane! My biggest shock in all this is jack spirko defending his boy rob and seemingly not reaching out to you Chris to hear your side. I’ve been listening to TSP for about a year( which is how I heard if you) and jack usually seems fair. But he is totally vested In only robs side of the story which I find weird! Chris you’re one of my heroes! I would have F*cked robs face up if he had told he that. Then burned that place down! Ok maybe I’m being a little extreme on that but I would have been thinking that while he said that to my face!

  • I echo the “Damn shame” sentiment. It is impossible to do business with people that have no morals. I have had to abandon my business for the same reasons- there is just no one you can trust nowadays. And all it takes is one bad apple to spoil it for everyone. I had the same feeling- I would rather starve to death than deal with liars and cheats.
    BTW-I did get my 20 Queens and 40 Girls- they are epic.

    • Silver Shield

      A lot of people have been fulfilled which is part of the reason I waited and delayed so long.
      I could have done this months ago but this seemed like the best time to start asking questions.
      Rob can simply deliver what is owed but having partnered, supported, built, him over the past 7 months and to him to tell me I will get nothing knowing the voice and determination I have, I highly doubt everyone is going to get much better treatment than I.

  • F’in ‘ell, dude, that’s shit, like really shit! You’ve a lot of will power not to go into ‘marine mode’ and beat the livin’ shit out of the thieving bastard.

    Hope you get your metal back. I’ll smack the bastard for ya if I ever see him.

    • Silver Shield

      I brought a man with me to make sure that did not happen.
      I did get the narrow vision, thumping in the ears, and chill up my spine.

      • Probably a very good idea, you’ve more important things than that piece of shit pressing charges against ya for kickin’ the shit out of him.

        His ‘name’ will be mud after this.

  • Dead Chris

    I read as much as I can and get email to my phone
    When I saw this email I give yours priority even tho it was 1am
    I read the 33 page report
    I talked to rob gray before you ever met him and he told me something you might want to look into
    He said he had worked with the guy who was convicted for making the liberty dollar and learned every mistake the guy made and was determined not to make the same mistakes with aocs
    Is there any way you might contact that gentleman ? If true he might reveal quite a bit
    Two
    Have you met rob gray father ? Rob started felling me he employed him to run all over to help rob and he may be of help
    Three
    I tried to learn about Lakota bank
    Rob at the time was answering all the calls for Lakota saying he helped them because they experienced large growth
    It sounded like a shoe string operation with a lot of high tech wizardy
    4. Try to contact the other group which is part of aocs from Pakistan this group would not want to hear of any double dealings and could help you
    5. I have the name and number of the guy they so called fired who was going to be currency coordinator and you may want to see what really happened

    You are an inspiration

    We all must be vigilant with whom we trust
    In this shifting world we are vulnerable and we need to know whom we can trust
    My sincere hope is that rob gray becomes well known

    There is a website called ripoff reports and this should be put there for easy look up

  • James William

    Know the psychopath for they permeate all aspects of our society. Then, know that he will soon become irrelevant because he and his like have been exiled because of their absence of a conscious and empathy.

    • Silver Shield

      Well said.
      I think the veil of all of these illusions will be lifted and that humanity will identify and shun all psychopaths from their lives.
      We empower them.
      They do not control us.

  • Hunter

    I find it strange that there were so many red flags, yet you pursued the relationship for so long. Your vested interest seemed to dim the blaring alarms ringing around you. It would have been nice to see you step up and own your own role in the debacle and not throw the strap line out “Listen to all, TRUST NONE”. btw, there are many people in the world worthy of trust, maybe we should work harder to seek them out.

    • Silver Shield

      The biggest problem when you are dealing with these people is that you want to believe them and THEY know it. Always calm and friendly and in control but when you see what I saw yesterday you see their true nature.
      The other thing is that I knew Gus and all of the other people Rob had around him were excellent people. In fact when I start comparing notes on why people worked and invested with him people would say because of the other guys he surrounded himself with. When people start comparing notes on where all of the problem came from it was Rob. When people who are owed a lot of money start comparing notes and see that the ONLY person walking around without a care in the world and living a Rockstar life with a mansion on an airstrip….

  • Ken

    By the way, you should be able to take control of silverbulletsilvershield.com. Just contact the registrar to find out the procedure. [Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS, LLC.] http://www.networksolutions.com

    • Silver Shield

      Rob paid for (with who’s money?)and registered the URL for his team to develop the site but said it was mine.
      I will get it at some point but there are far bigger fish to fry right now.

  • PitBull Pappa

    Hey Bro,

    I’ve been with you from the beginning (banner donations for the silver shield sivler bullet report) and I’m still with you in this crisis. I find it ironic that you were just talking about how everytime your wife gets pregnant that some crisis arises for you. Maybe you should consider geting a vasectomy… lol I kid… I kid… trying to make light of this situation amidst all the gloom and frustration.

    I’m not a religious person… but I DEFINATELY believe in karma. This is how I cope with all the negative things that have occured in my life thus far. I have seen it come around full circle for some and still waiting for it to take affect on others… but I KNOW it will happen one day. Rob may have the upper hand at the moment, but time will take its toll and the tide will turn. All that minting equipment he purchased will be rendered useless after the word gets out about this. He may try to tie things up in the court system for a while, but in the meantime business will come to an abrupt halt and without income… the legal bills will quickly accrue for him depleting his fiat reserve to the point of bankruptcy.

    I am curious to know how this will affect the value of the coins that have been minted. Especially the proof coins with the signatures of you and Rob on the COA’s. My condolences to those still waiting for their coins and also for the bullshit you’re going to endure my friend. However, there may yet be a silver lining in all of this.

    Stay strong my brother in arms… stay focused on the mission.

    Keep stack’n… hold strong & go long…

    PBP

    • Silver Shield

      Yes that has definitely been the pattern with me and my poor wife.
      I will not let this consume me like the last two did.

      As far as the coins proofs should be REAL good with COAs
      I only have control over the original debt and death art dies.
      If those dies disappear he could be in Singapire tomorrow and find some sucker to start counterfeiting my coins.
      I hope someone there sucres those dies to protect all of those that invested and built that place.
      I know I would be very appreciative of it as I move on to better pastures.

  • scott lz

    Chris, I am in awe of all you have accomplished and am inspired by the example you’ve set. I am in my mid-twenties and am just under two years into all this and still slaving away, trying to save as much as possible to prepare for what is mathematically inevitable. I believe in what you are working towards. Remember, the night is darkest right before the dawn.

    • Silver Shield

      I have gone through much worse when I left my family. I struggled for years with depression with walking away.
      I used all of the information I learned to make me much stronger man.
      I know that God does not put things in your path that you cannot handle, if you do the right thing.
      This will be a speed bump and I will move on.
      I mean if I did what I did with all of the delays, awful customer service, and shoddy quality, can you imagine what I could do with thirty designs with well established mints and retailers not just dipping their toes with a mint that has such amateur at best issues?
      I have a future, others do not.

  • Trevcat

    Chris,

    Your teachings have changed the lives of many. The lessons I’ve learned from you are priceless. I’ve got your back in any business venture you choose to pursue. It would be an honor for me to invest in your next project. Please let me know if I can help.

  • Maurice

    Hi Chris
    I am very sorry to hear of this misfortune for you, especially at such a critical time in our “silver war”. Very best wishes for your continued health and strength and the wellbeing of your loved ones as you fight to resolve this sad experience whilst still leading us forward.
    Maurice Lea UK

    • Silver Shield

      Micro level either 1 to 3 people are going to have a very hard life or a few hundred? Thousand? People are going to take a hit and become more galvanized to fight lies.
      Macro level yes we could be selling a lot of cheap silver but people can just buy bars and wait for me to land with far more reputable people.

  • SpyderTL

    I’d like to mention just a few things before they are completely lost in the fray. I’m basing all of this on what I’ve seen from the outside during this whole story, so feel free to correct me where I’m wrong.

    First, it would appear that Rob was instrumental in making the SBSS dream a reality, which is no small achievement. I think he might deserve a little credit for that, as I’m assuming that he has probably taken some pretty big risks, and made some sacrifices of his own in the past year or two so that we could all hold these beautiful and powerful artifacts in our hands. Regardless of how bad things go from here, I think we should all keep this particular note in mind. It’s rare to find someone that believes in your personal dream, and will devote their own time and effort to your cause.

    • Paul

      You’re right, but not wanting to give back something that doesn’t belong to you, equates to thievery. Plain and simple.

    • SpyderTL

      Second, watching the mint go from a small shop to a fully functional coin production facility in a few months really surprised me, because I’ve seen (and actually worked for) perfectly stable, profitable businesses that tried to expand operations to meet demand, and a year later were out of business because they, for lack of a better phrase, grew too fast. I can only imagine the types of deals that Rob made in order to purchase, ship and install the equipment needed, and hire the staff needed in an attempt to meet our infinite appetite for your product. Given the problems that you have had dealing with him, and the problems that he’s had with the mint, and even the problems that we, the customers, may have had (I didn’t really have any problems, to be honest), I still don’t get the impression that Rob set out to rip anyone off, necessarily. There’s a big difference between making a mistake, or being a poor businessman, and being a crook, a thief and a liar. Of course, I’m assuming that no lies were told, and nothing has been stolen, which may yet turn out to be incorrect…

      • Paul

        Rob told Chris that he would get nothing back, doesn’t that equate to thievery or at the least that his intention is to steal what rightfully doesn’t belong to him? Yes, Rob might not have set out to rip anyone off, but it still doesn’t take away from the fact that he has made it clear that Chris will receive nothing back, something that equates to theft if not corrected. Furthermore, I am sure the truth will be revealed. We will then see if Rob was out to rip off or rob anyone or not. I’ve seen good businessmen become crooks in the past, so what exactly is your point? In addition, of course lies were told. E.g. Chris was told that all orders would have been full-filled by April 8th, something that clearly didn’t happen. Thus, either Chris or someone at the Mulligan Mint is lying. Needless to say, I give Chris the benefit of any doubt.

        • SpyderTL

          I, too, give Chris the benefit of the doubt, and would trust Chris at his word far more than I would trust Rob, having never met either of them personally. And Chris should get anything that the Mulligan Mint owes him, just like the rest of us. But Chris did end the relationship, regardless of the events leading up to this, and the mistakes that were made.

          Business relationships aren’t much different than personal relationships, in that they are often difficult to maintain over long periods of time. But they are a mutual agreement that either party can voluntarily end for any reason. Once the relationship is broken by one party, the other party isn’t expected to continue to be ‘agreeable’ in any future dealings, unless some sort of pre-arranged agreement or contract was in place. In short, if Chris ends the relationship with Rob, Rob should be expected to resolve any debts owed to Chris. But beyond that, it is up to Rob to decide how to proceed with his own interests. Keep in mind that it is highly likely that one or more people will probably lose their job because of Chris’s decision — people that weren’t even involved directly with Chris, but will now have to deal with the consequences.

          I’m not defending Rob’s actions, or trying to disagree with anyone’s decisions. I’m just suggesting that people act calmly, and rationally, and trying to bring up aspects and options that people may have not thought of.

        • SpyderTL

          And, just a quick point, I don’t consider promises made for future delivery of production to be lies if the date isn’t met. Chris probably knows well that owning a company and employing people puts you in a difficult position where you must simultaneously make promises to customers, while relying entirely on your staff, and your equipment, all while dealing with a virtually endless list of environmental and governmental regulatory issues that you have little control over.

          Running a business is hard. So hard that few people will even try it. So hard that you have to question the sanity of anyone who even attempts it, especially today. I respect anyone who can run a company in this country, in these times, and can do it successfully, and can do it with honor and integrity. We will, indeed, see if Rob can do all of this. But, assuming for just a moment that he didn’t intentionally screw anyone over, Chris just made Rob’s job a lot more difficult. Even if Chris is completely justified in his decision, you might want to consider the impact to the company and it’s employees, just like Rob will now have to do as part of his responsibility as the owner and employer of a company.

          I’ve never run my own business, but I did walk away from a family business in order to follow my own dreams and my own career. But I did see, first hand, what it takes to be a successful businessman in today’s environment. That is why I respect anyone who can pull it off without breaking the rules, and without taking advantage of your employees, your customers, and your investors.

          No one is perfect, and we all make mistakes. Even business owners make mistakes. But their mistakes ruin lives and destroy families. It’s the ones who can sleep at night that you really have to watch out for. :)

          • marz

            Yes, running a business is hard, the gray robber took risks, yada, yada…but in the end he keeps 1500 oz. that belong to the other guy, not to mention the dies, and the other things. That can only come from a sick bastard that only understands the reason of brute force.

      • SpyderTL

        Just to wrap things up, I hope that you and Rob can work something out, and that no one loses anything in the process. But even if you stick with your decision to bring this part of the story to an end, I know that the next chapter will be starting soon, and that things are about to get real ‘interesting’ for us all.

        Good luck. We’re all behind you.

    • SpyderTL

      As far as your relationship with Rob and the mint, that is your own personal business. But at the risk of overstepping my bounds and sticking my nose where it doesn’t belong, I think you should at least consider leaving that particular bridge ‘un-burned’, in the off-chance that you guys can straighten things out, or at least come to some sort of agreeable arrangement for everyone. I would hate to see the coins, themselves, negatively impacted, or the message be lost, or innocent people taking a loss because of a personal issue between two individuals. Whatever you decide to do will affect the legacy of the coins, the future of the people that work at the mint, and the reputation of everyone involved.

      • Silver Shield

        I know far more than I am revealing right now and I can tell you this line of thinking is what social predators thrive on. You want to believe something. I saw with my own eyes and when I get done with this conference call I will connect the final pieces of the puzzle.

    • SpyderTL

      And, again, at the risk of overstepping my bounds, and not knowing everything that has happened behind the scenes, I think that, if at all possible, you should try to look at things from Rob’s perspective, after, of course, you’ve had some time to calm down and think clearly.

      As I mentioned before, it’s rare to find someone that will put their own reputation on the line, and work as hard as Rob has to make your dream a reality, even if they are only in it for the money. I’m pretty confident that I would not have taken the risks that Rob has taken for your cause, and that’s coming from a true believer and a huge supporter of what you have accomplished so far.

      Of course, you can always find another mint, or you may even have the option of starting your own. I think you probably know what is involved with running your own business, so keep that in mind, as well, when you decide how to deal with Rob and the mint.

      And, perhaps, it may be possible to continue dealing with the mint without personally dealing with Rob directly, if that would work out better. Just something to think about.

    • SpyderTL

      As a customer, I really had no problems with dealing with the SBSS site, and I have been perfectly happy with the price and the quality of the product. The delays in shipment were only a minor issue, and in reality, as long as I eventually received what I paid for, I wouldn’t have minded waiting a year for delivery.

      Shutting down sales on the web site, however, was a little more annoying, and the recent decision to force all sales through 3rd party dealers was a significant issue, although I understand the necessity of these decisions and the reality of the situation.

      I would have preferred to wait longer for delivery, and even paid a higher premium if labor cost and bandwidth was the issue. But I assume that was Rob’s decision to make, and not yours.

      But, overall, I’m still a perfectly happy customer of the SBSS site and the Mulligan Mint. I never dealt with the Lakota bank — I don’t even know what they do… I’ve completely walked away from banks in general, and only use them for day-to-day bills where necessary. Same with credit cards.

  • Thomas Black

    1st thing is get a Great Lawyer and slap a LIEN on all his property!!! Then get everyone else together and talk.

  • Paul

    Chris, I am sorry to read about this. It definitely gives a lot of perspective. All the best in your endeavours. Kudos to you for seeking the truth. Godspeed.

    “let God be true, but every man a liar” (Romans 3:4)

  • Julian

    Hey Chris, I’m sorry to hear of the trouble Rob Gray has created. I hope he at least has the decency to fulfil the backlog of orders. I hope you get your dies back etc.
    I still believe in you. Good luck.
    PS. I managed to hang on to my Debt & Death oz. and slowly getting back on my feet. Peace.

    • Silver Shield

      I know he and his team has made a massive debt in the 92,000 ounce backlog and I think there are only 10,000 to 15,000 owed. If he delivered what he promised when he promised I might not have asked so many questions. Gus might not have quit. I might not have started to see where all of this money started from and talk to people who are hearing the same story over and over again.
      My problem is that beyond that things don’t add up.

  • Quicksilver

    I decided not to continue purchases when I could no longer buy direct, because the markup from going through a dealer raised the price so much that even with the added value of the designs it no longer made economic sense; after all these coins are a way to get authenticated Silver, the designs are just a bonus.

  • Jonny

    Well that’s upsetting for everyone. It still doesn’t make sense to screw people over and walk out on what was obviously going to be a profitable relationship, unless of course he is intentionally nefarious. I hope that it gets sorted and as few people as possible are burned by this.

    • Silver Shield

      Profitable?

      For whom?
      I know I am owed a lot of money. I have talked to at least 10 creditors that are owed a lot of money. I know employees are owed money. Only one guy is living a rockstar life…

      Profitable from sales? Investors? Depositors? Floating payroll? Floating retail sales to fulfill wholesale? Take debt in someone else’s name?

      I have a lot of questions that will be answered.

  • Martin Palmgren

    Hi Chris,

    This is so sad to hear. I have followed your efforts since the beginning of silver shield and sons of liberty. For a long time I have been trying to gather honest people in order to start an honest non-profit-organisation. Guess what?! People have come and gone, but no one have stayed. This only proves that there is ever so few really honest people out there. People with no regards to personal gaining and hidden agendas. Think it’s only you and me left buddy, so lets join up. For most people it seems like money and power is still the shit!

    Martin Palmgren
    Swedish and brutally honest social entrepeneur.

    • Silver Shield

      Actually there are far mor honest people out there the problem is that they empower the worst in humanity.
      We must evolve to spot the predators in our midst.

  • Marvin Motsenbocker

    I never felt comfortable seeing your energy and talents focused on silver merchandising in the present paradigm. The commercial business of wealth redistribution is seductive and attracts people who are looking for free and easy money.
    Why isnt this change a very good thing? Many of us here have been anxiously waiting for you to move past wealth redistribution commercialization and into making a community silver backed bank. You will find many volunteers here to make your next silver project an even better success.
    Marvin

    • Silver Shield

      Marvin
      The bank idea would only be a centralized target.
      Selling coins is a decentralized means of resistance.

      I still think get as much silver into the hands of the people and do the Ultimate Exit Strategy after the Anger Phase of humanity.

  • Richard

    was happy with the few freedom girls I received although I had to press to finally get the order 6 weeks after ordering. I knew he was snakey when you did that 3 way video with You , Morgan, and him. It was kind of like the IQ test which one doesn’t belong in this group thing for me. If these turn out to be a limited edition because of this, it will be a good thing for those who bought. If he just floods the market , they will turn into just another ounce of silver.

  • I support your efforts. I’ve been watching from afar. I strongly believe in Gold and Silver, as a hedge against mismanaged government, as there doesn’t seem to be any other kind. A shame you went into business with such a clear cut Anti-social personality disordred user. Those men and women, like him populate all power positions in the world today. On a personal basis I’ve dated a few Borderlines and Narcissist women. Use people like a hotel towel and then discarded. Only their needs matter and they have no empathy or remorse. Empty shells. They’re not really more than coreless beings looking for a source of whatever supply they need. Once they know you’ve figured them out, and don’t fall for their charming ways, endless lies and excuses and frequent pity parties- they find their next victim. I suggest you might learn our common lesson, in order to never be a victim again.
    Make sure you extend trust to those that earn your trust. Actions speak far more eloquently than words.

    In closing, I wish you the best recovery in your important mission. I just have one question. Will you tell me where I might find a “Slave Queen”? There is a certain beauty to the truth of that coin.

    • Alain

      you can find the slave queen proof and regular round at SilverGoldBull.com..Good luck..cheer’s

      • Silver Shield

        If the dealers still have them buy them.
        I bet no dealer is going to be buying from Rob in the future and would not sell stuff the dont have.

  • Jonny

    Was my previous comment removed? Apologies if I offended, though I have no idea what it was that could have caused any. We are all affected by this and it is very upsetting.

    • Hunter

      I think my comment got removed, could you tell me why?

      Previous comment was:
      “I find it strange that there were so many red flags, yet you pursued the relationship for so long. Your vested interest seemed to dim the blaring alarms ringing around you. It would have been nice to see you own your own role in the debacle and not throw the strap line out “Listen to all, TRUST NONE”. btw, there are many people in the world worthy of trust, maybe we should work harder to seek them out.”

  • Jonny

    Ah I see what it is now! I was talking about Rob, not you Chris :)

  • bs

    Maybe someone will check the purity of the medallions, maybe its zinc we all running for

    • Silver Shield

      No, I don’t think that is the problem since all of the refiners, blank suppliers and the guys running the production at Mulligan Mint are great people.
      There are only 1 to maybe 3 people that have a lot of explaining to do.

  • Robert Brooks

    Terrible thing, The video below may help you understand your position. Rob is a psychopath. You will learn that when it comes to money, especially big money, most are psychopaths.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lp_uB7bIQyY

  • Alain

    Chris I think you should open an investigation on Rob Gray and the mint , as far as I know there are still many outstanding orders to be filled and if he’s buying mansions then where’s the money coming from .. With all the contacts you have Chris why not open a mint of your own , I would be willing to bet that alot if not most of us silver stackers would be willing to invest with you directly including me… Something to think about ?

    Good luck ..
    Cheer’s

    • Silver Shield

      I love finding truth especially when it is in my backyard.
      I am not really interested in owning a mint.
      I just want to do what I do best, design and promote.
      That being said many people are reaching out to Gus to see what is the best way to move forward.

  • Chris

    Sux that a guy who seemed to be on the same side of this fight philosophically as those of us that have recognized the truth, is willing to screw others to get ahead for selfish reasons. No different than those on the other of this fight

  • Miguel

    What a bummer!! Everybody (including me) senses that you’re a great guy mainly from watching your videos.
    To have your dreams shattered and problems exposed for all to witness has to be totally disheartening.
    What I really wanted to convey is that if that punk is going to continue pumping out coins with your designs
    but without YOU involved (legally or not) well, I’m not buying one more ounce to be sure.
    And I hope I’m not the only one…
    GODSPEED Chris

  • gands

    As much as my heart goes out to you but mostly the supporters, in all due respect and forgiveness all your teachings has gone out the window… The irony of it all in debt & death they trust.

  • Ryan Adams

    I’m still waiting to receive an order I placed two months ago for 100 ounces. 11 emails to customer support and only half of my emails have even gotten a response whereupon i am given a link to a canned response.

  • Grizzlyish

    ok this is a freak out moment I have been waiting on 81 oz for 60 days does this mean I have been ripped off. 81 oz may be a small amount to some people but it took me forever to come out with that money. This is a big freaking deal. Do I need to come to Texas. I will not be ripped off and walk away saying oh well. no freaking way!

    • Silver Shield

      I suggest you do come to Texas and see the cold Rob that told his partner of the past 7 months that I would get “nothing”.

      The ones that enable these guys are the ones that “work” with him on terms or payment or employees.

      I will find out if my 1,500 oz are just the tip of the iceberg…

  • Trigg3r

    Any idea what you will do about the new coins moving forward?

    • Silver Shield

      I will put this drama to bed very quickly as things will deteriorate very quickly I am sure.
      I have at least two major groups looking to work with me and my brand.
      I will listen to all.
      This experience has inspired another few coin ideas…

  • john

    I ordered a couple dozen Freedom Girl and Slave Queen coins. It took about a month or so to receive them. Not too big of a deal as I knew going in there were backorders. I did send an email asking about the status of the order…never heard back until they showed up at my door.

    Keep us posted on where you go next Chris. We’ll continue to support the cause.

    • Silver Shield

      I know Will and the rest of the team is doing their best.
      It is NOT like money was sent to a empty office building in Singapore. (Not yet at least…) There are real assets, employees and metal there.
      My question that I intend to find out is if he is fulfilling customers who owns that metal. I know my 1,500 oz was melted (I have the text from Rob two day ago confirming that.) So my silver was used to fulfill someone else’s order since I was told by him that I would get “nothing”.
      I wonder how many others are going to get “nothing”?

  • kz7

    Sorry to hear about this Chris as no doubt it will be a lot of others along with you who may loose out. Your “listen to all, follow no one” may have to be amended to “work with all, trust no one”.

  • Hi Chris i am very sorry that this scum has caused you such a problem but your such a great guy and full of ideas i KNOW you will get over round or through this problem. Your product is fantastic and good ideas always shine through i wish i could buy it here in the UK.
    You will overcome and thrive and the Silver Shield series will become classic coins, i wish i could help you but living in the UK its not going to be easy God Bless and good luck.
    Kind regards
    Mike.

    • Silver Shield

      I have embraced the abundance mentality and I have much better people in my life now.
      The key is when you have adversity you have to do the right thing one slip and the abundance mentality will throw you to the wolves.

  • Sandor Bors

    So sorry to here of the news, Chris. Stay present. This too shall pass.

    Let Rob dwell on these words:

    Commit a crime and the earth is made of glass. Commit a crime and it seems as though a coat of snow fell on the ground, such as reveals in the woods the track of every partridge and fox and squirrel and mole. You cannot recall the spoken word. You cannot wipe out a foot track. You cannot draw up the ladder so as to leave no inlet or clue. — Emerson

  • Ryan Adams

    I CAN’T BELIEVE Rob WOULD, for one moment, even think of hijacking and squandering the silver bullet, silver shield name and everything you’ve worked for! It’s your intellectual property. He just minted your coins, per agreement, written or otherwise. This is really upsetting to know there are so many people out there like this guy. Talk about mask of sanity, man. He better give you your dies and website back if hasn’t already. What an F-tard.

    • Silver Shield

      I was told I will get “nothing”.
      I am sure reality is different than his perception.

  • Mark

    Hi Chris,

    I am deeply sorry to hear about this terrible situation. You’re a formidable guy and your mettle is truly tested here. All the very best with resolving this one. I won’t add anymore at this stage, but your quote from Marcus Tullius Cicero seems appropriate enough right now.

    God Speed.

  • Craig

    With the recent decline in prices it does make a person wonder about the “truth”.

    • Silver Shield

      We are certainly going to find out now with this big spot light that has gotten over 150+ comments since late last night.
      And I have only just begun…
      My Bitcoin Ponzi Scheme video has over 2,000 comments and 50,000 views.

  • Mike

    I believe it was Buffett that said you only know who is wearing a bathing suit and who isn’t, when the bathtub plug is pulled (updated 2013 ver.)

    I think we’ll see several silver community relationships deteriorate after a 30% drop. Make no mistake, what SBSS is describing is a DEFAULT by a mint, and the first that I know of. (Eventually it will be the US Mint that “MF Globals” all its orders and backlog.)

    Avoid large orders (relative to current stack size), diversify sources, cash over the barrel when possible. Well-worn refrain: you don’t hold it you don’t own it, applies. Peace…

    • Silver Shield

      This is not about a 30% drop.
      i know they took orders and locked in all the way.
      The question is whose silver is being used to pay for things besides coins?

      • Mike

        Yes, you’re right my morning math is wonky…sure FEELS like a 30% drop ;/

        That is good that they locked in, I was thinking they might be taking coin orders at $30-$32 and then stalling and covering with some sort of futures contract delivery in mid to low $20’s, pocketing the spread.

    • IndenturedServant

      (Eventually it will be the US Mint that “MF Globals” all its orders and backlog.)

      Doubtful. I’ve been buying coins directly from the US Mint for over 15 years and I can tell you that whether it is a $50,000 order or a $5.00 order, the US Mint does not charge your card until your order ships. As a matter of fact I have received shipments of gold coins and had them in hand for three days before my card was ever charged. On orders where I had to wait months for coins ship like the 2008 UHR Gold Eagles, my card was never charged until the order shipped. They will even email or call you if your card is set to expire prior to shipping so you can clear that up.

      The US Mint is probably the ONLY part of the US Govt that does things half way right!
      I_S

  • scradiodoc

    Chris,
    Congratulations on your newest family addition. I am sorry to hear about all of these new developments. I stand behind you and am willing to do whatever you ask, I live in Texas and will confront Mr.Gray if you ask. If customers can get their coins and you receive your silver and dies back that will suffice. In Texas there are many good people who will prosecute him. He can be brought to task.

    • Silver Shield

      Yeah I live in Ohio and I see how serious Texans are about their word and justice.
      I am confident justice will prevail.

  • Charles

    Chris,

    Sorry to hear of this…

    My heart goes out to you buddy..

    Hold your intention and focus, things will work out better than you can possibly Imagine.

    Nothing can stop a great idea that has the level of focus and positive intention that you’ve created around SBSS.

    Illegitimi non carborundum (“Don’t let the (greedy) bastards grind you down”.

    I am visualizing even greater success of the program in the near future..

    I’m pulling for you buddy…

    Charles

    • Silver Shield

      I am really humbled by all of the support that has come out overnight.
      Thank you it means so much to me.

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