Update 35: I Have Severed ALL Ties With Rob Gray and Mulligan Mint

Screen Shot 2013-04-18 at 12.28.44 PMI originally met Rob Gray through a friend and member who introduced us both related to his testimony before Ron Paul’s subcommittee.  Thereafter, we had conversations for several months about silver, etc. and even traveled to Silver Summit together. When I started business dealings with Rob Gray we had a business deal that I would design and promote my Silver Bullet Silver Shield medallions and he and his new Mulligan Mint would produce and fulfill them.  Seemed like a very simple straightforward business relationship.

I performed my half of the deal well beyond anyone’s expectations, but there seemed to be constant issues on Rob’s end of the deal, such as complaints about PayPal, credit cards, delays in delivery, shoddy production quality, awful customer service, etc.

Knowing that starting something like this is not easy, I was very patient and did my best to try to support their effort for over 7 months. I tried pumping the breaks with delayed launches, but that was not enough. Then, things started to not add up for me.

Given my concerns, I halted ALL sales March 11th to clear a persistent backlog that grew to an estimated 92,000 ounces or roughly $3 million.

I was given assurances that all orders would be fulfilled by April 8th and we were going to launch on April 15th. I then come to find out the Sales Director, Gus Demos, who was my main contact with the Mint, abruptly quit on April 11th.

I immediately cancelled the Tax Slave Day relaunch of Slave Queen, Freedom Girl and the Redoubt coin. (I did this despite record demand for silver and incredibly low silver prices.)

From that moment on all the pieces started to come together as people started comparing notes about what they knew of Rob.

  • Why was he constantly try to run so fast when problems need to be corrected?
  • Why is he taking several recent vacation trips to Singapore in the midst of all these problems?
  • Why did he purchase a new mansion on an airstrip in Plano, Texas?
  • Why did  the sales director abruptly quit?
  • Why were paid retail customers waiting while he sold to dealers behind my back and my strict orders to stop ALL sales.

 

After many months of broken promises and constant aggravation of taking all of the heat for things I had no control over, I decided to fly to Dallas and confront Rob Gray face-to-face to resolve all open matters between us.

Despite his previous gregarious conversations and his jovial personality, at this meeting a different Rob Gray was present.  This one was curt and cold.  I sat down and simply and frankly told him I had no interest in continuing a business relationship and simply asked for my dies, the SilverBulletSilverShield.com URL, an accurate customer accounting of what is owed, affiliate commissions, final customer ounces delivered and/or collect all that is owed, and what was owed to me (including 1,500 personal ounces I sent down for minting from bars to my coins).

His response was “what if I just say ‘no’, what are you going to do?” I responded with “That’s not what I was hoping for, but I will be forced to go another route.” Thereafter, I stormed out after only 5 minutes when Rob Gray told me that I would get “nothing“.

Based on all my experience and dealings with Rob as well as the learned experiences of others, I suspect something very nefarious is going on at Mulligan Mint. As a result, I will be talking with customers, employees, affiliates, refiners, retailers and Free Lakota Bank and Mulligan Mint investors and depositors and telling anyone interested anything and everything I know about the situation, Rob Gray, Mulligan Mint, etc.  I think if I shine a very bright light on the situation, maybe we can all get the answers.

I will have MUCH more, very soon, after I have a clearer picture, when I have a conference call with the major creditors that I know of.

I will leave all options open after that.

Here is a just the beginning of what I have recently found out when people start talking.

33 Page Report On Rob Gray the Hypnotist, Water Ionizer Salesman that says “Mr. Gray may actually deserve an Oscar nomination for his theatrics in some of the videos that have been posted on this website.”

Free Lakota Bank is not a FDIC Bank…

South Dakota Dept. of Labor warns about unlicensed Free Lakota Bank

And not a bank of the Republic of Lakotah…

The Republic of Lakotah is in NO WAY associated with this new “freelakotabank.” Caveat Emptor!

So who’s bank is it?!

 

I do not care about my lost time, energy, money, opportunity, reputation, or silver.

I ONLY care about the truth.

 Feel free to add your story in the comment section below so that the people that are on the fence can have their Usual Suspects moment.

 

Regretfully,

Chris Duane

 

P.S. Just as I was about to post this, I get an email blast from the Mulligan Mint that they are selling The Survival Podcast Ant Shield?!

Somebody better let Jack know what is going on before his good name and customers get caught in this growing mess.

 

Listen to all, TRUST NONE.

 

“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague.” -Marcus Tullius Cicero

 

Update 1: The first lie I have heard today is that Rob refused to give me my dies, because I was working with Gus to start our own mint.

I want the dies because…

  1. Screen Shot 2013-04-18 at 12.28.44 PMThey are mine.  I am the designer and copyright holder of them.
  2.  I want to secure them from being used to diminish the value of all of the SBSS coins on the market by continuing to produce them beyond my approval or control.
  3. I don’t need to own a mint.  There are far more respectable, well oiled operations which OH BY THE WAY are much cheaper (33% cheaper) and have much better quality and turn around times.
  4. I want to work with a few mints so I am never in this position again.
  5. I want to relaunch fairly quickly.  I have waste far too much time and I will not wait for months to start some other capital and labor intensive business, especially before a dollar collapse.
  6. What mint in the world tells their customer that they will get “nothing”?!
  7. I will never use these designs ever again. (Which will increase the value of these coins, but not if the dies are not secured.)

So now with that out on the table, I want Rob Gray to turn over the dies that are not being used to fulfill customer order and just so we are really clear I would love it if they just took a HAMMER to it to damage it enough so that I cannot use it, but I can still see what it is.

I have a die count and wait for Rob’s response to this one.

I am sure that thousands of SBSS investors are going to be VERY INTERESTED in the outcome of this particular issue.

Update 2: I was told that Rob had a meeting with the whole staff after I blew out of there and that he said he would give me my 1,500 ounces.  I would love to know when and where I can get it, Rob.  I would think this would be very easy for you to do since that is provable theft in my opinion.

Update 3: I have completed my research and will be moving on many fronts to protect those that are involved in this mess.

I have gotten word that the new date they are stringing people along with April 26th.  Snap out of denial and stop hearing what you want to hear.  April 8th was the drop dead date… then the 15th… get a refund or a tracking number!  If you bought by credit card…

What they probably did not tell you is that their caster is down and blanks are pretty hard to come by right now.  It sure does look like they are trying to get this stuff out and when you tell a guy like me that I am getting “nothing” that frees up (in Rob’s mind) some time and capital.  I know he has bought time with some others that want to believe, but the fact is the circle is getting tighter as people start talking and wising up.

I have also heard complaints about the Free Lakota Bank is not returning calls.  Shocker…. I will be releasing more on the truth about Free Lakota Bank later. I already suspect that I am going to get “nothing” also.

I am posting some helpful links and phone numbers and suggest you do your own due diligence.

  1. Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott
  2. The Federal Trade Commission hotline 877-382-4357
  3. South Dakota Attorney General 605-773-3215
  4. You can also contact your local State Attorney General

Update 4: The only thing that really matters is your name.Screen Shot 2013-04-24 at 4.01.46 PM
You got it from your father,
It was all he had to give,
So its yours to use and cherish,
For as long as you may live.
If you lose the watch he gave you,
It can always be replaced,
But a black mark on your name son,
Can never be erased.
It was clean the day you took it,
And a worthy name to bare,
When he got it from his father,
There was no dishonor there.
So be sure you guard it wisely,
After all is said and done,
You’ll be glad the name is spotless,
When you give it to your son.
– Anonymous
Screen Shot 2013-04-25 at 8.17.09 AMUpdate 5: Free Lakota BankI got an email this morning that they are doing extremely well and they have hired extra staff, so answering some of these questions should be very simple.  If you have silver with the Free Lakota Bank, here are some questions you may want to ask…

  1. Where is the bank? Where are the offices? Who is the staff besides Eddie Allen in Dallas? Is there anybody in the 605 area code associated with the Free Lakota Bank?
  2. Does the Mulligan Mint in Dallas have the Free Lakota Bank safe in their mint?  Are there more safes? How are the assets segregated? Where is you silver?
  3. Is it insured? Can you see proof of insurance?
  4. When was it audited last? By whom? Where are the results?
  5. What Republic of Lakotah  projects  does the General Development Fund go to?
  6. Do they even have a location on the Lakotah property after all of these years?
  7. Why does the Republic of Lakotah say they are, “in NO WAY associated with this new “freelakotabank.” Caveat Emptor!“?
  8. Who owns the Free Lakota Bank? Is it even a legal entity? Where is it registered? If not, who lays claim to the assets?
  9. According to Whois Domain Lookup Rob Gray registered the domain Sept. 7th 2008. What is his relationship to the Free Lakota Bank?
  10. Can funds from the Free Lakota Bank be used for private or personal investments? What safe guards or transparency are in place to ensure your investment?

The good thing is that according to the site “Withdrawing: Any and all withdraws from the Free Lakota Bank will be issued in AOCS Approved Silver medallions. The currency can be shipped direct from the bank or may be issued by an AOCS Trade Coordinator or Authorized Dealer.”  This is great since the minting fee to produce these coins is relatively high and since they still have unjustly kept my dies and my coins are AOCS Approved you should get your silver in Freedom Girls or Slave Queens.  Considering the premiums on these coins right now compared to the raw value of silver, this might be a good time to explore those options.

Update 6:  The “Buzzard Dollar” is reborn.

The Morgan Dollar was derided as one of the ugliest coins in the US Mint history and was loosely called the “Buzzard Dollar”.  In an effort to quickly roll out another coin to keep the game going, the Mulligan Mint is using an altered Morgan Dollar Reverse as the back of the Redoubt coin.  What makes this worse is that the .999 looks like a 666.  At least they had the decency not to use my Reverse.

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Original Morgan Reverse on Left. New Redoubt Reverse on right.

Screen Shot 2013-04-24 at 8.51.47 PMUpdate 7: More excuses to buy more time… Today comes the announcement that the Mulligan Mint will ONCE AGAIN fail to deliver on their promised deadlines.  We have people from January still not fulfilled despite a $10 drop in the price of silver…  Rob Gray told me that I would get “nothing” and I have since severed ties…  and they still have the still have the arrogance to launch with two new partners and coins?!

And since when do they care about quality?  From day one quality has been a major issue that has never been resolved.  I would ask you to find out what supplier “failed” with sub-par blanks, but I already know it is BS.

Failed with the end of March deadline…

then April 8th…

then Tax Slave Day April 15th…

and now April 26th.

Something really stinks!

File an online complaint with Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott

 Update 8: May 2nd and STILL all orders are not fulfilled.

Despite all of the fake promises to fulfill all orders we are close to a MONTH past the April 8th deadline and orders are still not fulfilled.  I mean there are orders from January/February and $10 higher silver NOT fulfilled.  The customers that are left are the largest orders by volume and there is no way of knowing how many thousands of ounces are still owed.  Snap out of denial and take action.  Small claims court could be an option or you can file a complaint, do your own due dilligence.

  1. Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott
  2. The Federal Trade Commission hotline 877-382-4357
  3. South Dakota Attorney General 605-773-3215
  4. You can also contact your local State Attorney General

Update 9: Moving Forward with Silver Bullet Silver Shield

I have been like Janus wrapping up the past with lawyers and investigators and working towards the future with new partners retail and production partners.  I am going forward alone to continue to do what I do best design and promote SBSS silver.  I have no interest in the minting or sales of these coins and will only act as the intermediary between the largest retailers and the two mints that will produce the coins.  I have established a connection with a reputable mint to produce Proof SBSS and I hope by the end of today I will have a BU production mint locked on.  These mints are long established, independent, family owned mints that have a reputation for great quality, dependable delivery times, excellent reputation.  I am excited to see what these coins can do when I can launch  more designs, get quicker turn around times, and superior quality.

I am shooting for the end of May to launch War Bird and Love.  I hope to launch 1 coin a week after that.  I will continue to work solely with Heidi Wastweet and limit the time these coins will be available. Despite the crazy market for silver, I am shooting for the same price points of $2.99 over spot for BU and $14.99 for Proof.  I believe the combination of my designs and promotions, Heidi’s excellent work, low price points, the largest retailers, and finally a dependable and quality partner producing the coins we will be able to restart the fire very quickly.

Update 10: Enter the Clowns

How many other bloggers are going to try to jump into my boots?  Well the latest is the stoner, BitConer Adam Kokesh, this despite all of the drama of tremendous delivery failures, shoddy quality, awful customer service and the final coup de grace of Rob Gray telling me that I would get “nothing”.   It seems that some bloggers will turn a blind eye to sell their customers out for a quick buck. (Or so they think.)  The wonderful thing with this is that I have warned everyone and their customers will provide the money to fulfill orders from months ago that are still waiting.

Despite all of the efforts the Mulligan Mint is trying to do to stay alive, I do not believe they will last long since this is such a small world in the silver community.  You don’t stay in business too long by screwing customers and partners over.  I don’t think too many people are going to trust them and it is clear many of the major retailers will no longer expose themselves to the inherent risks associated with them.  I will do everything in my power with speaking out, investigators and lawyers to take care of those injured in this drama.  The good thing is that I was ONLY involved with them for 7 months and they have nowhere near the 92,000 ounces once owed when I shut down sales on March 11th nearly TWO MONTHS ago.

Screen Shot 2013-04-18 at 12.28.44 PMI want everyone to watch this latest video from Adam Kokesh as I break down the lies and you will hear from his own mouth that Rob Gray and the Mulligan Mint are going to try to sell Slave Queen and Freedom Girl with other backs on it.  This is the sleaziest thing I have ever heard any mint doing.  Since I am the Copyright Owner, ANY infringement will only lead to more people to be involved in my lawsuits I am pursuing.  It is insane to think that a manufacturer has ownership of intellectual property that I own.  Rob says he paid for the dies, but that came from profits of the sales I brought in and their part of the dealer was to produce and fulfill.

What person in the world would ever trust the Mulligan Mint to produce their coins, when they clearly intend on stealing it for their own.  Then think about the current owners of SBSS coins, I want these coins to be fulfilled and retired long ago and now it seems there is going to be no end until a Judge puts an end to this once and for all.  I don’t want the dies to produce more, I WANT THEM DESTROYED so the BS ends.

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Before…

‘It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.” -Upton Sinclair

Feel free to thumbs down on YouTube, but don’t bother commenting, you will just get banned.

http://youtu.be/1fvE_g6pb9M

00:32 “Obviously and blatantly wrong”  Originally an 92,000 ounce back log from March 11th that was promised to be taken care of originally in 2 weeks by Rob… then promised to have everyone delivered by April 8th… then the sudden resignation of the Director of Sales April 11th… everyone owed money and or silver while he takes trips to Singapore and buys a mansion on an airstrip… no replies to my emails… selling major retailers despite my  total shut down of  sales on March 11th further pushing PAID customer orders back… missing the April 15th relaunch date because they still did not deliver…  no responses… then BS emailed excuses… and FI

NALLY I had to fly down to Dallas to see for my face that Rob had no intention of making things right when he told me to my face that I would get nothing that I was owed and I could not even find out what the customers were owed.  So yeah Adam, something was obviously and blatantly wrong.

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After?

00:36 “claiming he lost a lot of money without documentation to back it up. I wanted to see the numbers…”  I have never seen a clean Profit and Loss statement the entire time.  Throughout the entire ordeal I was extremely patient as they were struggling to keep up with the tremendous demand I created but when I became suspicious something was nefarious going on I sought to mitigate the problem by shutting down sales in March and trying to make a clean break.  Every time I asked to see a statement I was told that they were between book keepers and they were always days a way from getting it done.  Never was their a real accountant allowed to see the books.  My estimate of loss is from the former Sales Director on what he told me that I am still owed, and even he will will tell you that he has no idea what that really is since not even HE was allowed to see the books.  Meanwhile Rob plays in Singapore and goes home to his Mansion on an airstrip…

00:42 “Pretending he did not make any money.”  I never claimed not to make any money, just not what I was owed.  I did get my only wire of $75,000 in March and that was just fraction of the money and silver that I was owed.  I also waited for months for my own silver while others got fulfilled using my silver for a rolling inventory.  I was able to finally get my metal back this spring.  Like a good Marine leader, I always was patient and put myself at the end of the line in terms of fulfillment and payment.  Never would I consider to lead others into a danger for a quick profit.  Meanwhile my “partner” was running up hundreds of thousands in credit card bills traveling the world with his family and buying mansions.  The thing that is very obvious to me, everyone is owed money except Rob.

00:52 “I checked the books, I have seen the paper work”  Really because I never have.  Perhaps you can send it to me or my lawyer or post something online?  Where did you get your accounting degree from?  Do you typically trust people that have been shown to lie especially when it is clear that they would profit off of it?  Did you disclose your $4,000 a month sponsorship for the Mulligan Mint before you did this video?  Was the trip to Dallas paid for buy Rob?  Can you tell me how much I sold because I never saw the second set of books that showed the hundreds of thousands of sale to online retailers?

00:58 “For the little value you contributed”  Laughably insane statement.  Before Rob met me he was selling copper coins and water ionizers.  I brought him publicity and business.  I estimate that 90% of all of the business that went through that place was a direct result of my connection and reputation.  The sales, the investors, the depositors, the other bloggers, the retailers… They went from 4 employees to 45 while I was there.  There WAS NO MINT before me, just an empty warehouse with no presses.   And despite whatever you think it was worth it was a 50/50 split in profits on my stuff and 30% of Coins For The Cause coins that include your sorry silver sales Adam.

01:03 ” You made out like  bandit to the tune of $182,000″  I got one wire for $75,000 in March and NO 1099 for all of last year’s business with the Mulligan Mint.  And that still does not get over the fact that my customers are still not fulfilled, I am out my 1,500 ounces and according to the former sales director an estimated $250,000 and that is before the Coins for the Cause profits.

01:07 “And now you are thinking you are going to start your own mint, on a lie.” The only lie in that statement is that I was planning to start my own mint.  I never even considered starting a mint when there are clearly others that have been doing it much longer than I that will take better care of my designs and customers.  In fact I am talking with 3 mints to produce future coins.  The mint is the easily and most needed replacement of this whole drama.

01:22 “Never see a deal like this again” Geez I hope so, I would hate to be ROBbed from ever again like this.  It is not all about money, I have walked away from my family’s inheritance for a greater purpose and would never sell my soul for money.  I have better mints, with better quality, better prices, and better turn around times and a larger more reliable retail network to work with.

I will be adding more to this later, but it is just all BS…  feel free to jump into the comment section and help wade through the lies.

Update 11: Desperation sets in at the Mulligan Mint.

With now three failed posted Silver Bullet Silver Shield launches and a withering retail support the Mulligan Mint seems intent on either continuing selling Slave Queens and Freedom Girls with or without the Silver Bullet Silver Shield.  (Start watching 9:50)  The best thing about this people will not being trusting Mulligan Mint or Adam Kokesh.  Like I told Rob Gray,  you only get one name in this world and I am confident despite all of this drama, my name is still very well intact.

 

The time, money, publicity, retailers, suppliers, customers, employees, investors, depositors, and legal action is slipping away from what once felt the abundance mentality.  I believe that the we are weeks, if not days, of the final implosion of this drama.

I will caution everyone in dealing with the Mulligan Mint or any paid trolls the same warning the Republic of Lakotah warned about Rob Gray’s Free Lakota Bank… Caveat emptor!

Screen Shot 2013-05-06 at 10.04.16 AM Update 12:  Coins For (Rob) The Cause Affiliate Webinar

There is an affiliate webinar tonight for another coin launch trying to recapture the magic of what they once had with the Silver Bullet Silver Shield.

Like a husband that in unfaithful with his wife by cheating on her with a mistress in Vegas, it will never be the same again.

The silver community is far to small to break trust so egregiously, at so many different levels to think things will ever go back as it was.

You ONLY get one name and those that are affiliated with the Mulligan Mint would be better off looking for something else than ruining their name trying to resuscitate this mortally wounded enterprise.

 

 Update 13: Supposedly All Retail SBSS Orders Are Fulfilled…

That does not include the thousands of ounces that were sold behind my back to retailers or what is owed to me.  This does NOT put an end to the drama by any means.

  • They still owe thousands of ounces to major retailers that have been waiting to fulfill their clients.
  • They are still over a month behind the promised date of April 8th deadline Rob Gray promised.
  • They still produce shoddy quality work that is an insult to the fine art Heide Wastweet sculpted and the message of the Silver Bullet Silver Shield.
  • Their customer service is atrocious and full of excuses/lies.
  • The risk of massive delays in the silver stacker community is unacceptable.
  • They still are using my brand, copyrights, designs, promotional format and trademark without my clear warning not to.
  • They are threatening to use my designs to unlawfully enrich others by taking Freedom Girl and Slave Queen and putting another back on it for Adam Cokesh.
  • They still owe me at least 1,500 physical ounces of silver to me.
  • They still have not handed over the SilverBulletSilverShield . com website to me, even though it was promised that it was “mine” by Rob Gray.
  • They still act like nothing has happened and not made any effort to correct the grave failures they alone have caused.
  • They still have not destroyed or turned over the dies of all of the Silver Bullet Silver Shield series that are my designs and copyrights.
  • They still threaten to add insult to injury by creating these designs to destroy the value of limited run SBSS medallions.
  • They still have not made me whole for all of the abundance I have created and earned.
  • They still use hired/invested guns to spit on me for the abundance I have created.

Screen Shot 2013-05-08 at 7.13.39 AMUpdate 14: If It Takes Months to Fulfill 300 Orders…

…how long will it take to fulfill 55 million?  The Mulligan Mint is trying their 4th?, 5th?, 6th? failed launch in the aftermath of the end of their involvement of the Silver Bullet Silver Shield series.  How many of these ill conceived coins are they going to try to push out without addressing the systemic failures they have?

The latest attempt is based off of the homo erotic, violent movie 300.  The idea is that if 300 men can can stand against a invading army, then what could 55 million do?

“For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague.” -Marcus Tullius Cicero

The first flaw I see is that those 300 men were bound by honor and trust.  They we powerful because they had implicit trust for their brothers to watch their back.  The actions of Jack Spirko and the Mulligan Mint have shown that there is no honor in stealing someones designs, silver, ideas and names.  Trust has been broken simply delivering silver, much less putting someones life on the line.  I thank God that this happened now and I got to see the true nature of these actors before TSHTF.

My experience in the Marine Corp taught me to never break trust, even if it means taking the hardest blows for yourself.  The reason why I am the last one holding the bag, is that I consistently put myself last to make sure others were taken care of.  That is why the customers are getting fulfilled and I am out over $250,000, my silver, my dies, my website and the rest.  The slanderous attacks from the likes of Jack Spirko and Adam Cokesh show that these men are more concerned with their own asses rather than doing what is right.

“100 Billion Dollars!” – Dr. Evil

BDD_DR_evil_12.16.08The second flaw I see is, where are they getting 55 million from?  Even in the sheeple world, Mitt Romney only got 58 million votes in the last Presidential election.  Why stop at  55 million if we are just making up numbers?  Why not 1 billion?!

I estimate that there are between 2-5 million one offs of the INTJ personality that would even consider that their world is flawed.  The grand majority of them are either ignorant or invested in the current paradigm to even begin the process of awakening.  And those that do take this journey, only a small percentage of those people make it to the Acceptance Stage, where they take positive productive action in their lives.  And of those people that have made it that far they have no room in their lives for deceit or risk that is clearly at play here.

Military men are just dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy.” -Henry Kissinger

The third flaw I see is, why a Sentinel?  Sentinels are guards of a collective.  They are men that follow orders of rulers and not allowed to, even for a moment, think about what is best for themselves.  My indoctrination in the Marine Corps infantry demanded ‘instant an willing obedience to orders’.  This brain washing technique is used to trick well meaning men into sacrificing themselves for the Debt and Death their rulers profit from.

Leaderless resistance is about every man a leader, not a blind follower.  I created the Sons of Liberty Academy for that very reason.  Every person should have the knowledge and logic to do what is best for themselves and their loved ones.  The resonating power of awakened and empowered individuals, stands in stark contrast to what is being portrayed in this ill conceived coin.

“Hurt people, hut people.” -Will Bowen

The fourth flaw is, the abusive psychopathic nature of these 300 warriors.  So much of our media is designed to desensitize us to psychopathic behavior.  At every turn, we are to think that it is acceptable, or worse cool, to act like a psychopath.  In the movie 300, the Spartans physically and mentally abused their young boys to become unemphatic killers.  This brings out the animal instincts that are the worst in humanity.

More military men are dying from suicide than in combat.  Is it any wonder why hundreds of thousands of strong men are suffering with the abuse, violence and guilty consciousness that arises from this mindset?  We have brain washed kids with violence for the power and profit of those that own this paradigm.  The real trauma to humanity is felt on both sides of the destruction we deal on a daily basis.

“Let them march all they want, so long as they pay their taxes.” -Alexander Haig

The fifth flaw is that this is another collective effort against a collective problem.  These guys cannot seem to help themselves to put themselves at the head of a collective they run, as they put all of the risk on to those that listen to their orders.  This is not only obvious in these bloggers selling coins with a mint that is fraught with risk, but even Adam Cokesh planned armed march into Washington D.C.  This plan is an obvious publicity attempt to further enrich Adam Cokesh, but even Alex Jones can’t even get behind it.

“Fool me once, shame on … shame on you. Fool me… You can’t get fooled again!” – George Bush

The final flaw is that they must think that we are either greedy or stupid.  It is insane or insulting to think that they are ever going to find success ever again in this very small silver community without admitting and correcting the past.  People supported the Silver Bullet and the Silver Shield because of the message.  They no longer need to deal with the risk, awful customer service and shoddy quality of the mint.  Especially because yours truly, who got this thing all started, is left empty handed.

The Silver Bullet Silver Shield is about empowering yourself and walk away from the toxic things in your life.  The wheels of justice grind slowly, but the individual withdrawing support is final.  I appreciate all of the hundreds of emails, comments and conversations of support and I am confident that I will be able to pick up right where I left off with better partners and momentum.

I understand that I only have one name and I have done everything in my power to protect it and others that have trusted me.  If the Mulligan Mint, and those involved in this drama, have any shot at any success in the future, it would be in their best interest to make everyone whole and move on.  I would have nothing to say anymore about this, if that was the case.

Interesting side note: The Mulligan Mint was named after Midas Mulligan from Atlas Shrugged.  The irony is that before Midas shut down his bank, he made sure all people were made whole.

I am still waiting.

Update 15: The Mulligan Mint Has Gone Rogue

The Mulligan Mint has broken off all mediation talks and are planning on stealing my next 4 designs.

DO NOT PARTICIPATE IN THIS CRIME.

I will be releasing my first YouTube video and proceeding with my pending litigation now that all talks have ended.

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Update 16: Honest Men and Thieves video released

 

Update 17: Desperate, Delusional, Idiots

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It seems the latest actions from the Mulligan Mint are best described by the hundreds of emails I got over the past 24 hours as desperate, delusional, idiots.  The  insanity of Rob Gray claiming, “co-founder of Silver Bullet Silver Shield” reeks of desperation.

I wrote the Silver Bullet and the Silver Shield February 25th, 2011.  The article was read by over 400,000+ people and translated into 7 different languages.  It was the reason I got to meet David Morgan and it was hailed by Jason Hommel as “The BEST article written on silver in Ten Years!”

I then went on to create 6 1/2 hours in 45+ videos on YouTube starting January 24th 2012.  The Silver Bullet Silver Shield videos were seen by over 1.8 million people world wide.  All of this while Rob Gray was probably selling water Ionizers or copper coins at carnivals.

It is my success that Rob sought to leverage to his own  personal fortune.  My brand, my ideas, my designs, my contacts, and my reputation.  That is why he contacted me to write his opening statement for Ron Paul August 2012.  He has no ideas of his own and only seeks to ensnare others into his trap.

Screen-Shot-2013-04-18-at-12.28.44-PM-150x78 I am the ONLY Copyright Owner and that is on tens of thousands Certificate of Authenticity they sent out.

I am the designer of all of all of the Silver Bullet Silver Shield medallions.

I am the creator of the Silver Bullet Silver Shield articles, videos, DVDs, and silver medallions.

Rob can ignore reality, but like Ayn Rand said , “You cannot ignore the consequences of ignoring reality.”

I once asked Rob Gray what he wanted to be when he got older.  He told me that he wanted to “be a billionaire.”  I  thought that was weird asked him why?  His response was, “because I am smarter than everyone else.”  This is the first time that I really started to ask myself what have I gotten myself into.

This claim of Rob Gray “co-founding” Silver Bullet Silver Shield is almost as insane as another delusional psychopath, Al Gore, when he claimed to invent the Internet.

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BTW Do dickheads always wear their hats like this?

IMG_7227While Rob is a psychopath that does what comes naturally to him, the person I am MOST disappointed is Will Lehr aka. Silver Willy.  He was one of the first Silver Shield Group members and I have been nothing but supportive of Will. I even helped him get this job at the Mulligan Mint.  I have given him ample opportunity to make things right and that he was only staying around until he got the customers fulfilled and me paid.  Now that both of those are dead issues, he is now complicit is stealing my designs and brand and deceiving the public into thinking that Silver Bullet Silver Shield back to the way it was.

Will Lehr is empowering something he knows to be very wrong and perhaps a few emails or phone calls will convince him to man up and walk away. Will Lehr <will@coinsforthecause.com>  I don’t think a lot of people will trusting Will anyway since he is now know as Slick Willy.

Here is a Children’s Cancer Charity Auction video I did with Will when he was at another place he hated.

http://youtu.be/uFe8DBdNkrw

Update 18: Are You A Sellout?

“And what do you benefit if you gain the whole world but lose your own soul?” -Matthew 16:26

It must be crunch time at the Mulligan Mint since they are going to jump the gun and launch MY Freedom Girl and Slave Queen today, a full 4 days in advance of their previous launch date.  They have stolen my designs and perhaps today they will see that they have sold the only thing that is truly worth anything, their reputation.   I had the biggest bloggers wait for months for their affiliate commissions as the tried to fix the books.  Do not be tempted to try and make a quick buck you will probably never see, promoting thieves.

Again, anyone promoting or supporting the Mulligan Mint in this criminal effort, should be shunned from this community.

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Update 19: Mulligan Mint Implosion Contest

Mulligan Mint implosion contestIn the middle of all of this drama I thought it might be fun to have a contest where I can give away all of the silver Rob gave me when I met him in Washington D.C. for Ron Paul’s Congressional Testimony last summer.

All entries will be posted in the comment section by the first to answer to the questions below.

1. Whoever guesses the day the Mulligan Mint closes for good, will receive my 5 oz Lakota Proof round numbered “300” on the side.  This round was used by Rob Gray in his congressional testimony and was held by Ron Paul himself.

2. Whoever guesses when the day that Free Lakota Bank closes for good, will receive 4 1 oz. Proof Lakota rounds.

3. Whoever guesses the day that the first State or Federal agency or tax authority raids the Mulligan Mint, will receive 3 1oz. Proof Andrew Jackson rounds.  (Two can play the irony game.)

4. Whoever guesses the day that Will Lehr quits/fired from the Mulligan Mint, will receive 2 1oz. Proof Ludwig von Mises rounds with the words “Tu Ne Cede Malis” or do not give in to evil.

5. Whoever has the highest rated comment on the Honest Men and Thieves video, will receive a 1 oz. BU Andrew Jackson round.

6. Whoever guesses the day Rob Gray flees the country to Singapore, will receive a 1 oz. Rob Gray copper round business card with his own personal narcissistic, vanity phone number on it that we can call looking for him, 855-Rob-Gray.

The Grand Prize is for whoever guesses the day that I get all of my customers fulfilled, my dies, my URL, my silver, my money that I am owed and this entire drama ends, will receive a 3 oz triple stacked 2012 Trivium in a cracked die collar.  This symbolizes how the Silver Bullet and the Silver Shield built the Mulligan Mint and how it will ultimately break it’s back. 

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Update 20: It’s a Trap!

It looks like they plan on launching today.  Like I warned all of the other bloggers, future sales will only go to bailing out the previous people who bought into this. This needs to end, DO NOT BUY ANYTHING FROM THE MULLIGAN MINT.

Update 21: The Original Email That Started The Silver Bullet Silver Shield coin.

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I have the entire email chain from start to finish of my ideas, for my designs, for my coins ,with my brand, backed by my reputation and effort in the silver community.    I am the one that came up with the designs, elements, layout, symbolism, message, branding and so forth.  Any false claims on my work will be met with litigation and public scrutiny.

Update 22: Tell Rob Gray I said, “Hi”

In what will no doubt be his last public appearance, Rob Gray will be at the Metals & Minerals Investment Conference in New York, May 13-14.  I would love to know the silver community’s response to his arrogant presence given the fact that he has now crossed the line and not only stolen past profits and silver, but now is stealing and producing stolen designs of mine.   Please send me any video or YouTube links asking Rob to explain himself and his actions.  Things like, how is he the co-founder of Silver Bullet Silver Shield?  Or how he thinks my copyrighted work is his?  Or if he owns Free Lakota Bank?  Are Free Lakota Bank’s depositors money used for personal ventures? Or if he needs any tax advice?  Don’t expect him to flinch since these guys swim in their own self delusion, but it is very helpful for people to see the insanity.

Update 23: Mulligan Mint is “best in the industry!”

Speaking of delusion, watch “Why The Mulligan Mint”for a good laugh.  Rob Gray actually says that the Mulligan Mint has the turn around times that are the “best in the industry!”  This only 20 seconds after the head of production said that they weren’t and they show that little toy caster that snails out silver as slow as anything I have ever seen.   We can also forget about the epic delays from day 1 that all of us have experienced, or the shoddy quality or awful customer service or that they can steal your designs if you make something that really sells.  You can forget about leaving a comment since they would not want people to laugh too hard.  You can feel free to laugh at it here though in our growing comment section.

Update 24: Silver Gold Bull, Silver Doctors, Provident Metals And Many Other SBSS Retailers Will Not Support The Criminal Relaunch Of My Designs

I am very happy to hear that the majority of the former SBSS retail partners will NOT be supporting the Criminal Relaunch Of My Designs. is a huge vote in confidence from the customers that made this decision very easy for these retailers.  The out pouring of support for my claims is only icing on the cake for these professional retailers break ties with a mint that has clearly shown that they cannot deliver on time, cannot produce quality products and cannot properly support the customer service.

There is no question that I am the creative force behind all of the designs on the Silver Bullet Silver Shield series.  Anyone that illegally profits off of my work and supporting the ridiculous claims of the Mulligan Mint will face both publicly and legally prosecuted.  The entire silver community is watching who will seek to risk their reputation and customers money for false promises.  Especially since these relaunched coins were supposed to be limited in nature.  Producing more of these designs, like Ben Bernanke, only seeks to destroy the value of what needs to be protected.

With the now 45 new designs Heidi Wastweet and I are planning to launch, there is much more abundance coming from us.

Thank you for the REAL support you are all offering.

 Update 25: Important Revelations

After weeks of hiding behind paid or invested shills, Rob Gray is finally answering some questions himself.

RRobi31729 on YouTube got and exclusive video interview with Rob Gray at last week’s Metals Conference in New York where he got some very good revelations about what is going on.

I would like to give my shot by shot analysis of his explanations and let you decide.

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2:00 He asks who is the designer of the coins and Rob cleverly answers that Heidi Wastweet is the sculptor (sculptress) knowing full well that I designed everything.

3:00 When asked about their relationship to me Rob nervously flicks his face and simply says that he partnered with me.

3:30 When asked about moving to Singapore, Rob responds that they are in fact planning on opening a second operation in Singapore.  This is very important because one of the things that made me end this relationship is the fact that while his Mulligan Mint in Dallas was shut down for weeks with a 92,000 ounce backlog, he was off gallivanting in Singapore trying to raise more money to start another mint in Singapore.  He was not doing jack about the customers he left hanging in Dallas while he was staying at $500 a night hotels, half way around the world.

And now that he has just burned 95% of his retail sales to the ground by his actions, why does he even need the capacity in Dallas, much less in Singapore.  After all who is going to trust the Mulligan Mint with their designs, after they have stolen mine?

While Rob uses the libertarian, ex-patriot rational for leaving the country, the real reason why he is leaving is because he fears his past catching up to him.  I now have information (Update 26) of a former investor of Rob Gray that sued and won a $125,000 judgement!  And that Rob then declared bankruptcy and fled Philadelphia.  I am positive he is going to flee to Singapore as his past catches up to him again. (More on that later in Update 26.)

4:30 Why are you continuing minting Freedom Girl and Slave Queen?  He says that they committed to limited time launches and uses his failure to produce in an adequate fashion as a reason for continuing the unauthorized use of my designs and brand.  The truth is he needs cash and now that it is painfully obvious that his customers have voted for me with the pitiful sales of the relaunch, time and cash are closing in.

5:31 How does the Silver Bullet Silver Shield go on without Chris?  He shows the Molon Labe coin and says that Heidi designed it.  Like Obama taking credit for job others created, NO Rob, I did that.   I am the one that came up with the ideas, elements, wording and the original art on it.  And then shows the Cannabis medallion that I also designed and first showed publicly in my Honest Men and Thieves video at 8:53

6:22 I will never come back and expose myself, my designs and my reputation to Rob Gray or the Mulligan Mint again. The only rational discussion I am interested in is getting back what was stolen from me.

8:56 When asked about quality, it is simply too little too late.  For 7 months we all dealt with horrible quality and now?! he does what he should have been doing all along?

Rob says that people should send their coins back and that they would pay for shipping. Yeah, like anyone is going to trust sending these coins back to a Mint that took months to deliver these shoddy coins in the first place!

9:33 Rob insults the customers by mocking them when it is clearly shoddy quality that even my 4 year old son can see. I personally have kept all of my coins, because they are all unique, but that is no way to run a mint.
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1:55 Rob asks for the customers to be reasonable and rational.  The only reasonable and rational thing to do at this point is to never do business again with the Mulligan Mint

3:33 When asked why he has not responded to my allegations, Rob tries to take the high road as he stands in front of all of my designs he stole.  The insanity of that fact is felt by anyone who knows what is going on.  Forget about the hundreds of thousands in profits and silver…

3:56 “We have a partnership and he has some responsibilities.”  I fulfilled my end of this deal by creating the hottest selling designs and generating the marketing to promote them.  (All of this he admits later in the video.)  When Rob Gray and the Mulligan Mint failed over and over again to do their part of the deal to produce and fulfill, I ended it.  I have no commitment to the Mulligan Mint, especially now that they stole my money, silver and designs.

4:28 “Tens of thousands of customers” Is that why you cannot sell anything anymore?  The relaunch has failed because they never addressed the reason why people made it successful in the first place.  People in the silver community are not stupid.  They walked away from the Debt and Death paradigm and they are not going to put up with the same behavior inside this small community.

4:51 “I don’t know what Chris expects from us?”  Here is what I would expect from you, Rob, deliver the remaining dealer orders that you STILL have not fulfilled, give me what I am owe in terms of profits and silver, turn over or destroy the dies, and hand over my SilverBulletSilverShield.com website.

I also do not actually expect you to do anything of that sort, which is why my lawsuit will be on your desk this week.   I might also be releasing all of the information about the past in Philadelphia Rob thought he ran away from including…

  • The investor lawsuit Rob Gray lost which led to his bankruptcy.
  • What happened with Rob’s grandmother Anna’s last will and testament.
  • The trail of destruction of companies, investors, employees, and vendors Rob left behind.  TyentUSA_Exposed
  • And much more…

5:40 “There is not one customer waiting for orders.”  While retail orders have been fulfilled, there are still thousands of ounces still owed to wholesalers and yours truly.  Once you see the past in Philadelphia Rob has, you will see the pattern of abuse is at the investor, employee and vendor level.  Why piss off a $100 customer, when there are bigger fish?

6:24 “We have partnership with the largest refiner in the western hemisphere.” NTR-OPM is now the largest silver refiner, not Republic Metals.

“Chris walked 2 days after we signed that deal knowing full well that we have reserves of silver.”  Rob had talked for months about the deal with Republic Metals, but he could not provide proper accounting to satisfy them as far as I last heard.  Heck I never saw a straight set of book because he never hired a proper accountant for fear that someone would hand over the books to the government.   And after what has happened now, I would be shocked to learn that Republic went ahead to supply silver on the arm like he wished for.  Perhaps a few emails into Republic Metals will clarify that…  info@republicmetalscorp.com

7:01 “Encourage Chris to sit down like a gentleman and work things out.”  I entered into two mediations with two people we both respect and both times Rob would not make good on his past debts to me, before we even talked about any future possibilities.   All he was interested in is getting me further into debt to him and never making me whole.

I even offered twice to forgo all profits owed to me just to get my silver, dies and URL and end the insult to injury.  As a part of the mediation, I even offered to take down all postings and send a mass email to my 40,000 person email list and 36,000 person YouTube community stating that I no longer had any claims against Rob, if he returned what was mine.  Twice he rejected that generous offer.  Now I have a slam dunk case and will no longer negotiate.

7:35 Going forward is Chris continuing to get “his” (profits)?  Rob says only after I come back to the table and stop slamming him here, will I get what is owed.  Again, that was part of the mediation that once I was made whole I would take down all videos and articles related to this subject.  He seems to not grasp the concept of what came first and what needs to be done first.  He stole my money, silver and designs long before I did one article or video speaking the truth about him.  At this point it really does not matter, as the lawsuit will settle this.

7:55 Rob admits that I did my job “awesome” and that he is the one that failed.

8:05 Rob admits that when we first started they were sub contracting out the work to other mints.  This will be very important later on as he will try to claim like I owe him something for the risk he took in starting his mint.  I have no ownership or obligation to the Mulligan Mint or the investors that knowingly or unknowingly funded this operation.

“The mint they subcontracted to went out of business.”  What Rob fails to say is that mint was Old Glory Mint was involved in a $100 million PONZI SCHEME!

8:38 See the millions of dollars in facility.  The question is not if there is machinery or silver there, it is whose money is it and do they know that it is used for Rob Gray’s personal ventures.  Or how many investors bought into mint.  I must have talked to dozens of people that said Rob offered them 5% to 10% of the mint for as low as $80,000 to as high as $250,000.  I wonder how many took him up on that offer and if at the end of the day that number adds up to 100%?

9:21 On moving to Asia… He wants to have all of his “hot” technology shipped to Asia.  Earlier he said he was going to have his extrusion press across the street in Dallas, now he wants it in Asia?  I believe that he is just looking for another “investor” to fund that dream.  After all why build another mint in Asia just to ship silver strip half way around the world to do all of the work out here?  Especially when he can do it in Dallas and there are plenty of companies that would do it quicker here.  And I highly doubt that the “deal” with Republic Metals would have come through on that business model.  Or that the Dallas Mint will stay in business one day after a mint opens in Singapore.

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3:22 “We can do 150,000 ounces a month and want to get it up to 4 to 5 million.”  Is that why it took the Mulligan Mint months to deliver 92,000 ounces?  And whatever capacity he may have, they are certainly not going to sell that much.

“Solid distribution network” most of the retailers and customers I have spoken to would never go through the long wait times, shoddy production and awful customer service, ever again.

“Chris will be excited to see the world’s largest precious metals dealer will be carrying Freedom Girl.”  If Apmex does decide to carry Freedom Girl now, after they wisely sat on the sideline not willing to risk their reputation with an unproven Mulligan Mint, that would be the worst decision they make. 

First, they would now be involved in my lawsuit.  I am the copyright owner and Rob Gray and the Mulligan Mint do not have my permission to continue to use my designs, brand or trademarks.  I would be forced to include anyone that is profiting in this continued abuse of my copyrights.

Secondly, the customer base would let them know immediately what is really going on behind Rob’s slick pitch.  I don’t know what Rob told them, but there are thousands of people who have read my article from 2011 and the videos from 2012 and my continued publicity for my coins that know full well what is really going on.

I would be more than happy to Apmex to the other dealers who have already made their wise decision to shun this criminal behavior of stealing designs, money and silver.  This silver community is too small for this to last long.

I can also provide contacts with the multiple state and federal investigators that are looking into this matter.

You can let your voice be heard.

info@APMEX.com
purchasing@APMEX.com

5:02 About Chris’s “goals”.  Rob is constantly suggesting like I have some ulterior motive like starting another mint and that is my “real” reason for this breakup.   I just signed a production agreement with a ISO certified mint to produce the next in the Silver Bullet Silver Shield series.  I have NO investment in this decade old mint nor do I wish to.  I have no interest in any investment before the dollar collapse, other than silver.  My only REAL reason for this break up is exactly what I have been stating all along in this now 10,000 words article about walking away with what is owed.

Going forward, I will not even have my own retail operation to sell my silver.   This will be a huge boon to those that wisely decide which side they are on.  I will have SBSS Authorized Retailers with major online retailers to handle all retail sales.  Rob’s business model actually competes against the online retailers where the grand majority of the retail sales went through.  Knowing that Rob only has four more stolen designs of mine and I have 45+ designs coming with Heidi Wastweet and a proven ISO certified mint production,  I think the choice will be easy for any online retailer to make.

5:16 Rob confirms again the major failures he had on his end of the bargain.

6:39 Rob admits that Silver Bullet and Silver Shield was not his idea despite his statement that he is co-founder and displaying HIS famous Freedom Girl, Slave Queen and Debt and Death sculpts and dies.

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7:00 “He has asked us to destroy the dies and sculpts that are worth hundreds of thousands of dollars.”  No they are worth a few thousand and were part of the production process they failed to fulfill.  They are only worth more because of the value I created and I no longer want stolen from me.  I did not want those sculpts and dies to fall into the wrong hands besides Rob.  Now it is too late….

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Update to the update:  This has been removed off of the site. Geez even the Chinese took it down before Rob Gray and the Mulligan Mint.

7:41 “Chris has got some work to do to get back to the table.”  The only work I have to do is have my lawyer get what is mine.  Hopefully he wont flee Dallas like he did in Philadelphia.  I did not want the escrow, because I already offered to forgo all profits he owes me in return to turn over what is mine.

He keeps talking about continuing a partnership… by not only stealing from that partner, but then adding insult to injury to steal his designs and future profits.

9:18 “We never force anyone to do anything they don’t want to do.” This seconds after he says that I need to take him to court instead of rightfully handing over what is mine. Some voluntary relationship…

9:51 “Anything you try to build and growing something, there is always some out there trying to take it away from you like in this situation and it is a shame.” Almost as ironic as when he said that “There could be no fair competition between honest men and thieves.”

 

Update 26: The Skeletons Come Out Of The Closet

I believe Karma only works when people speak out.  God cannot do His works if people sit on their hands and wait.

This week I got extremely interesting email…

Dear Chris;

My name is Glenn A. Tener and have known Rob Gray for the last 15 years ever since I was a partner and investor in his technology businesses in the Philadelphia area 10 years ago.  He stole money from me and countless of others including friends, employees, investors, vendors and others.  I sued him in court and had a judgment on him and his companies for over $125,000! Below is an email that I sent him.  He is a true psychopath and has no regard for anybody but himself and will stop at nothing to get what he wants no matter who he hurts.  He definitely belongs in jail.  You can call me at 215.***.**** and I could tell you a lot of information about his dealings in Philadelphia that could help you.

Sincerely;
Glenn A. Tener

 

From: Glenn A. Tener [mailto:******@*******.net]
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 12:31 PM
To: ‘rgray@opencurrency.com’
Cc: ‘*******@yahoo.com’
Subject: FW: ROB GRAY DONE

Congratulations Rob!  You are still FUCKING people out of their money!  You are doing the same thing in Dallas that you did in Philadelphia 15 years ago!  LOL.  You idiot!  When are you going to learn!  Jail for you is certain and imminent.  I gave them my full cooperation and help of course (see the email and link below that was sent to me).  After knowing you for last 15 years you have not changed a bit.  You are still a LIAR, CHEATER, THIEF, AND CON ARTIST.

I will do you a favor and forward this email to all of your “friends”, former employees, investors/victims from Philadelphia that you stole money from.  I am sure they will be very happy for you.  Good luck in jail.

Your good friend
Glenn

 

From: Jack ****** [mailto:********@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 9:48 AM
To:******@*******.net
Subject: ROB GRAY DONE

This could be your chance to finally get him…..

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After my first conversation with Glenn, I was left aghast at the level of abuse at play here.   We are definitely dealing with someone that has a pattern of abuse that goes back to his earliest relationships.  This pattern continues over and over again with different faces and places without any regard of the damage done.  I have also had conversations since then that would leave even the most paid off shill will not willing to associate with Rob Gray.

If anyone has more information on Rob’s past in Philadelphia they can contact me at DTOMsola (at) Yahoo.com or feel free to publish yourself in the comment section below.  There are a great many parties highly interested in this information that would establish a pattern of abuse long established before I ever got in contact with Rob Gray.  This information can be kept confidential or public, used in pending litigation and/or forwarded to investigators.

Now that I am done trying to mediate with this guy, I will use any information to make sure justice is done this time.

 Update 27: Seriously?!

The latest failure to come from the Mulligan Mint is Bix Weir’s coin. 

This looks like a Charlie Brown character loving the Fed and the US Government.

Bix, there are no benevolent bankers and there are no good guys coming to save us…

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Screen Shot 2013-05-21 at 12.36.21 PMUpdate 28: The Skeletons Speak Out

Earlier in Update 26, I got an email from Glenn Tener about Rob’s dark past in Philadelphia.  I have been speaking to so many people from there, that I really don’t know where to begin.  I can tell you that I have heard some stories that left me aghast and at a loss for words.  Rest assured, I am positive that ALL of my suspicious are now totally justified.  I don’t plan on releasing all of the information I have, because most people have already made up their minds.  I will be using the majority of  information in any cases that arise out of this drama.  (If anyone has any more information about Rob Gray’s dark past, please email me at DTOMsola (at) yahoo.com.  You can also post anonymously in the comment section below.)

Here are the public records that were forwarded to me.  Please understand that this only represents a small portion of what happened there.  Most victims I spoke to chose to turn the other cheek and move on.  Others sought justice outside the law.  Glenn and the parties below, did not.  Like myself, Glenn went after this out of a sense for justice and not just to get money.  Glenn was not ultimately able to collect on any judgements he was awarded, because Rob declared bankruptcy when he fled to Texas.

Rob Gray has moved through the technology, water ionizer, hypnosis and now the metals industries with all the same complaints.  The faces and places my change, but the racketeering is all the same.

Racketeering Particularly, the potential problem may be caused by the same party that offers to solve it, although that fact may be concealed, with the specific intent to engender continual patronage for this party.  Anytime money is owed, there is always the promise of a greater payback if they can just continue the relationship.  This is why Rob wanted me to sign on for the next 4 coin launches that he stole  from me and THEN he promised to pay.  Twice, I even offered to forgo ALL money owed to me just to make a clean break.  Now I see that this pattern is well established.  One former victim said that he was amazed to see that I refused to play along with Rob’s pattern and that gave him confidence to speak out now.  He felt so guilty for having being taken in this matter and all of the warning signs he ignored.  He said that he wishes that he was more aggressive in pursuing Rob so that others would have been spared.

The Modus Operendi is always the same and in the end the victims get “nothing”.  (Hmmm sounds familiar…)

Please take time to read the complaints and you make your decision.

Listen to all.

Follow none.

(Side note: It is still amazing to me that the first day I met Rob Gray, we were in Congress…)

Entities

Entity Details – SILICON EAST

Entity Details – PMP TECHNOLOGIES (The inside joke was that it was short for pimp.)

Entity Details – AIRBORN DATA

Complaints

TENER COMPLAINT–  Credit Cards, Corvettes, $800 a night Hotels, Town House Furniture, Promised Percentages of Businesses, etc.

BRANDYWINE COMPLAINT– Unpaid Rent and Taxes

DATALINK COMPLAINT– Vendor Lawsuit

SELECT BUSINESS SYSTEMS COMPLAINT – Failure to Pay Loan

McCALLION STAFFING COMPLAINT -Failure to Pay Staffing

Cases

Caption Plaintiff
TENER, GLENN A
Caption Defendant
SILICON EAST CONSULTING LLC
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Caption Plaintiff
HIGH SCHWARTZ ROBERTS ETAL LLP
Caption Defendant
GRAY, ROBERT
(Rob even screwed his attorney out of money here!)
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Caption Plaintiff
PENNA DEPT OF REV
Caption Defendant
SILICON E CONSULT LLC
http://webapp.montcopa.org/PSI/Viewer/Detail.aspx?oq=aWQ9MjAwMDEzNDY0JmVudGl0eT1DYXNl

Caption Plaintiff
BRANDYWINE OPERAT PARTSP LP
Caption Defendant
SILICON EAST COAST CONSULT LLC
http://webapp.montcopa.org/PSI/Viewer/Detail.aspx?oq=aWQ9MjAwMjA5NDQ5JmVudGl0eT1DYXNl

Caption Plaintiff
PENNA UNEMP COMP FUND
Caption Defendant
SILICON EAST CONSULTING LLC
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Caption Plaintiff
DATALINK ASSOC
Caption Defendant
SILICON EAST CONSULTING LLC
http://webapp.montcopa.org/PSI/Viewer/Detail.aspx?oq=aWQ9MjAwMTI1MDI4JmVudGl0eT1DYXNl
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Caption Plaintiff
PENNA UNEMP COMP FUND
Caption Defendant
SILICON EAST CONSULTING LLC
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Update 29- You CANNOT Make This Stuff Up!

Here is the first of three videos I got of Rob Gray doing hypnotism.  This is a News 11 Dallas station investigating Rob Gray.  He studied neuro linguistic programming (NLP) to manipulate people for a living.  Watch the self proclaimed “mind mechanic” at work.

“Feel. Don’t think.” – Rob “The Mind Mechanic” Gray

Update 30: The Further Insult to Injury.

As if stealing my money and my Slave Queen and Freedom Girl was not enough, as predicted, they are going to steal AG 47 and Cannabis.

You don’t have to wait to see it or buy it from them. 

I will be releasing the updated designs they DON’T HAVE in June.

Here is what they have illegally coming out.

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bernard_silver_summitbUpdate 31- Bernard von NotHaus of Liberty Dollar says Rob Gray , “Stole my life’s work!”

(I found this article from Bernard von NotHaus and his description of a young, broke Rob Gray that sought to take his idea for his own.  Do we start to see a pattern here.  He is a parasite.)

I take no pleasure in disclosing this sordid story. But the time has come to tell the real facts that define the differences between the American Liberty Dollar (ALD) and the American Open Currency Standard (AOCS).

In the March 7, 2012 issue of “Director’s Update!” by AOCS Director Rob Gray contains the usual ra-ra and announces “proud to announce that we’re back on track” without ever noting why they were off track and concludes by encouraging everyone “to join us in our mission to restore honest trade.”

“Restore honest trade”? Honesty, particularly in the field of “honest money” is so important, let’s start at the beginning.

To the best of my memory, some time in 2007 Gray started calling me about being a part of the Liberty Dollar. Somehow he had heard about the new gold and silver currency and was all fired up to become a RCO. No… he wanted to be the best RCO… he wanted to be the SUPER RCO… he wanted to become the National Currency Director and take my place when I retired in 2008. Unfortunately, he didn’t even have the money to be a RCO. As he tried his best to talk his way into the Liberty Dollar organization, he explained that his hypnotism business was failing, he had a wife and two children and needed a new way to make money.

Gray met me on three occasions while I was on tour, always the nice energetic young man with a lot of salesmanship, trying to find a way to participate without any money. Finally he sprang for the $100 starter kit and eventually Gray somehow became a RCO in Texas. He quickly threw himself into the Liberty Dollar with the expressed goal of taking my position when I retired. He and his wife and two children even drove from Dallas to Los Angeles for my retirement.

But for all his words, salesmanship and well intending goals to be the SUPER RCO, Gray’s performance didn’t match the other RCO’s successes. Undaunted, Gray pushed to be my successor and the National Currency Director. Unfortunately for Gray, he lacked any support within the Liberty Dollar organization. Every leader must have the support and hopefully the loyalty of the organization. In fact, everybody was opposed to Gray.

Ultimately, I named Dan Priest, a RCO in California, to be the new Executive Director of the Liberty Dollar because as a former executive with Microsoft and appeared to be better qualified. Unfortunately, Priest quickly showed he had oversold his abilities and beset with family problems at home, he quickly self-destructed.

Meanwhile, Gray would not be deterred. If he could not be the National Currency Director of the Liberty Dollar, second best would be a competitor and he created the American Open Currency Standard. Initially, Gray praised my work and acknowledged me for introducing private currency to him. As he put it, “Bernard energized my passion for honest money.” But he soon found it more advantageous business wise to bash me that ultimately materialized in his April 15 article Liberty Dollar’s arrogance ends in federal ‘guilty’ verdict that was the only negative article about my conviction, not issued by the government. As Gray states in his subtitle, “A title like that requires a LOT of explanation and background. [INDEED!]

The irony of this tragedy is that if I had appointed Gray as the Executive Director of the Liberty Dollar organization, he would certainly had been more successful than Dan Priest, and would have been arrested with me.

Although that article is a low point of Gray’s attitude about the Liberty Dollar, it did not stop Gray from flat out lying. In an era of dishonest government money and Liberty Dollar’s quest to re-establish honest sound money, I find it appalling that at the end of Gray’s latest “Update” of March 7, 2012, under Featured Articles, he features an article on “Face Value” and states: “I invite you to take a moment and read our latest AOCS article update for an in-depth overview of the AOCS Face Value, why it exists, and the formulas we developed to set the suggested exchange rate between AOCS Approved Currencies and fiat currencies.

Rob Gray did not develop those formulas. He did not even write the text in that “Face Value” article. He copied my text and my currency formulas that I developed over 24 years of research and development from 1974 to 1998 when I introduced the Liberty Dollar – the world’s first private, 100% value based, market driven currency designed to move with the metals market. He stole my life’s work. And to make matters worse, in another article he has the audacity to state, “As I wrap up this article (regarding the Liberty Dollar) and evaluate if it reached its goal, I contemplate whether it’s best to stay quiet or to point out what I consider to be valuable insight to help frame what’s really at stake in the case of the Liberty Dollar. In the freedom movement… I do not believe deception or lying is a valid method to bring people to the truth.”

Well I certainly agree that deception or lying is not a valid method to bring people to the truth. And that is doubly true in the honest money movement. I don’t trust anybody who lies to me. And neither should you. The Liberty Dollar has proven itself to be an honest currency.

Editor Note: My work has been documented in countless articles, 162 monthly newsletters from October 1998 and Chapter 48 of my 2003 book: The Liberty Dollar Solution to the Federal Reserve that details the move up from the $10 Silver Base to the $20 Silver Base. For historically purposes to set the record straight: Please note the 2006 edition of the Liberty Dollar model currency schedule is HERE. Gold Schedule of Bases and Move Up Points is HERE. Silver Schedule of Bases and Move Up Points is HERE.

Contrary to Gray lies, I fully support many other activist efforts who use the formulas that I developed. Four noteworthy efforts are: Joshua Deatherage’s Community Currency in central Missouri, Peter Affolter’s Aspen Dollar, Dave Gillie’s Ron Paul Silvers and Ron Helwig’s Shire Silver that is featured in Article 8 below.

Update 32: Why Silver Willie Quit The Mulligan Mint

By Silver Shield, on June 10th, 2013

First the Sales Director of the Mulligan Mint, Gus Demos leaves, then me, then Director of Customer Service, Laura Curry, now Silver Willie himself leaves…

Hear Will Lehr’s behind the scenes look at the drama with Silver Bullet Silver Shield and the Mulligan Mint and why he quit last Wednesday.

I will be . . . → Read More: Why Silver Willie Quit The Mulligan Mint: Update 4

Update 33: Bernard von NotHaus Speaks Out

By Silver Shield, on June 12th, 2013

bernard_silver_summitbBy: Bernard non NotHaus

Admittedly the story of Rob Gray, his brother David, the American Open Currency Standard (AOCS) and the Mulligan Mint et al the entities is a long, sorry tale. And as it is the duty of all participants in a self regulated industry such as “private minting” to protect their industry from fraud, I sound this alarm and encourage everyone involved with any of the entities listed below to take prudent action to protect their interest and their money:

Free Lakota Bank, AOCS (American Open Currency Standard), Mulligan Mint, SLV Properties (Silver Properties), AG Logistics (Silver Logistics), Coins for the Cause, Silver Bullet Silver Shield (owned by Chris Duane but claimed by Rob Gray), TSP Mint (The Survival Podcast Mint), AOCS Mint, Open Currency, Lakota Exchange, AG Trading post, ICBA: (International Commodity Banking Association) that does not exist. Need another name to keep the ponzi running? Just create another entity or a new organization like the ICBA.
Continue reading Crooked Minter Tarnishing Private Silver Reputation?

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Nope… NO SILVER HERE!

Update 34: Missing 40,000 Ounces of Silver From Surprise Audit of Republic Metal’s Silver At The Mulligan Mint?

Details are still coming in, but it has been confirmed by three sources that last week there was a surprise audit by Republic Metals at the Mulligan Mint that has shown 40,000 ounces of silver is missing!

Here are the confirmed details…

Rob was summoned to Miami last week to the Republic Metals headquarters.  Once he arrived he was escorted by two security personnel into an office for the next 7 hours.

Meanwhile in Dallas… a team of auditors and security personnel entered the Mulligan Mint.  All employees were sent home leaving David Gray alone to account for the tens of thousands of ounces of silver owned by Republic.

I have to admit, I love how Republic rolls…   Separating the criminal mastermind from the naive brother that is on the personal hook for all of this fraud, was just classic!

The end of the audit was originally reported to be missing 20,000 ounces, but now is estimated to be 40,000 ounces of silver!

The Gray Brothers now have 60 days to come up with the missing silver. 

Knowing that Rob is going to Freedom Fest today in Las Vegas, I guarantee he is going to be looking for “investors” to bail him out of this mess.

If you are at Freedom Fest, be sure to ask Rob how things are going? 😉

While I am not shocked by this fraud, given the fact since I have had over $500,000 stolen from me, I am sure a lot of people who took Rob’s side are shocked.   😉

The biggest fraud yet to be exposed is the 5 year old Rob Gray owned Free Lakota Bank and the estimated $2 million in silver deposits…

 Update 35: The Mulligan Mint Is DEAD!

$500,000 in missing profits, 71,473 ounces in missing silver, 3 Months, 2 Lawsuits, 1 DEAD Mint.

http://youtu.be/DYMj74OcrUU

 

940 comments to Update 35: I Have Severed ALL Ties With Rob Gray and Mulligan Mint

  • Kevinace

    Hi Chris

    Sorry to hear this bad news.You have done so much for the cause of freedom,hopefully you can resolve your business dealings with Rob without making legal parasites wealthier and taking so much time from your good works.

    Keep your chin up good may still come out of this setback. Maybe a sbsh mint may be the answer, with you providing the designs and orders and members running the production.

    Wishing you strength and support in this difficult time.Please keep up all of your good works you are very appreciated. I regularly use your items in my blog to get the message out to others.

  • Cal

    Ive been with you from the Beginning Chris and Im sorry to hear about your troubles. Good thing you have a big family online that has your back!

    I was so close to moving from Ohio to Texas to finish my Engineering Degree there and work at the Mint because they were hiring. Thank God I didnt pursue that impulse and move across the country to find myself working for a con artist!

    Peace brotha!

    Hey if your ever in Northwest Ohio shoot me a email or call!

  • James Walker

    Sorry to hear the news, Chris. This Gray guy is a shyster. So this explains why I haven’t received the last order ($2k) that i ordered for my wife. Is there any chance that it will be filled or that I get a fiat refund?

    • Silver Shield

      I know they were delivering yesterday when I stormed out.
      It would be really smart to make everyone whole and maybe salvage something.
      But after he looked my in the eye very coldly and told me I would get “nothing” I have no such illusions anymore.

  • Two words of unsolicited advice before your next move: due diligence.

    You WILL prevail, as will all people everywhere who are honest and TRUE. Considering that I subscribe to “as above, so below,” I’ve been telling people constantly that Uranus’s current long transit through Aries will unearth everything–every lie, every creep, every cheater, and so on–that humanity needs to know about. Hell, it even unearthed King Richard’s bones!

    Hang in there. We’re with you. Call on us for help and advice. Some of us have organizational and managerial experience. Maybe Marvin Motsenbacker (see comment above) is right. Much to consider. God bless us all.

    • Silver Shield

      I think this a very small part of humanity shaking off these social parasites.
      We empower them.
      They do not control us.

  • David Richardson

    Chris,

    It is likely you have communicated with a Texas licensed attorney. He/she can advise you if there are enough unfulfilled orders [people who ordered] to constitute class action status.

    Walk away is usually a good policy, but it doesn’t have to include allowing evil to flourish without challenge.

    May God Bless you,

  • Marvin made a great point Chris. Request you to give a serious thought before you reconsidering selling coins.

    Harish

    • Silver Shield

      Oh I will never redo those designs again if I get the dies.
      The problem is if they disappear to say Singapore….
      Someone could feasibly continue to illegally counterfeit the coins.
      I hope people who have access secure those dies.

  • David

    Chris,

    I have learned much from your videos in the past–great job. But when you started selling the silver rounds I thought, and I still believe, that you are honest, but shysters are everywhere so I waited. It’s a good thing I waited. I think you are a good man so be very careful next time, get EVERYTHING in writing, and if you cannot personally oversee, don’t do it.

    Just a little advice from someone who has been in your shoes.

    • Silver Shield

      This is what anachro capitalism looks like.
      No rules, handshake deals and it only benefits the scheming men to take advantage of them and they tell you you will get “nothing”.
      I am glad I learned this the hard way before things get serious.

      • Stefan B.

        Chris, I’m not 100% certain that you can chalk this whole thing up to “this is what anarchic-capitalism looks like.” Rather, respectfully, this is what a total lack of due diligence looks like.

        In a free society, based on anarchic-capitalism, I would only order from you if a reputable, independent insurance company — hired by you, verified by me — promised to make me whole again in the event that you/mulligan cheated me. This insurance company would scrutinize both you and mulligan mint, because THEY would be on the hook for millions of dollars in orders if you or mulligan turned out to be a scam-operation, and skipped town with my funds. They would verify your creditors, your assets, your liabilities, your previous business dealings, as well as your hedging strategies, financing, etc, etc. Only AFTER confirming everything was on the up&up would they agree to insure me against losses I might take as a result of dealing with you. This policy might add a few cents on to every medallion sold. In the absence of such an insurance policy, Caveat Emptor. In the presence of such an insurance policy, I know that I’m covered… Not because the government backs it with “full faith & credit”, but because someone with a history of honest dealings has put their sound reputation and finances on the line, promising to make me whole if you/mulligan cheat me. THAT is due diligence.

        What we have today, here & now, in THIS paradigm, is a government that DOES NOT GIVE A FUCK if Mulligan mint rips everyone off. Oh, sure, you can hire a lawyer, go class-action, and go deeper in the hole, but that still might not recover anything more than Bre-X investors got back. Tort action is not the same as an insurance policy.

        For me, personally, I supported the idea that you had, but I did not order any of your medallions. I have gone (and will continue to go) to “Timmy Geithner’s Mint”, and I buy silver from reputable dealers who buy from reputable government-run mints, and I genuinely like having elitist rulers, and symbols of debt slavery stamped on my silver, because…. ok, BECAUSE… THOSE are the silver coins that the other slaves will RECOGNIZE if/when SHTF. Since silver is fungible, I personally don’t care if they stamp pedophiles on the coins, so long as the pedophile-stamped coins are the most recognizable and reputable among the other slaves when SHTF.

        By continually going to Timmy Geithner’s Mint, strangely, I didn’t get caught up in this nonsense, and I think you might have to reflect on the strange juxtaposition between who is trustworthy, and simply who claimed to be trustworthy, vs who was supposed to be untrustworthy, and delivered every ounce they promised, on time, as promised.

        But don’t, ok, don’t… DO NOT try and blame your lack of due diligence on anarchic-capitalism, or try to compare the two… unless you were simply trying to make the point that uninsured people are exposing themselves to risks. That, we already knew.

        Listen to all, follow none.

        Sincerely & Respectfully,
        Stefan B.

        • Silver Shield

          I blame Ron Paul for not doing a better background check since that is where I first met him.

          • Stefan B.

            I hope that was a joke. Ron Paul certainly didn’t ask anyone to buy anything from Rob, nor would any customer accept the blaming of Ron Paul as a legitimate scapegoat.

            I tried to order “debt & death” when it first came out, but I was having problems getting PayPal to take my order… Before I ever managed to place a successful order, I realized that this whole operation was selling coins that had not been minted, and did not physically exist yet. I had a HORRIBLE experience ordering Max Keiser rounds that didn’t exist yet, and took 6 months to eventually arrive, so I changed my mind about wanting to order at all, and decided I didn’t want any, and I quit trying to order. Simply put, if you’re selling something that does not exist, you’re selling paper promises aren’t a lot different from what the COMEX allows the big banks to do.

            So, nothing about this cluster-fuck shocks me, nor is anything different than what I was worried about when I changed my mind against ordering.

            I was caught up in a cluster-fuck like this once before, and like George W. Bush famously said, “Fool me once, and shame on…. uhm… you? But fool me twice and… well… well, the point is that you can’t get fooled again.”

  • Jeff

    Chris,

    I’m not a member but a long time follower and supporter.

    First, my experience with the mint was mixed. I got my coins but very late. I was upset at the promotion which explictly stated Freedom Girl proofs would have a certification number corresponding to the order time…first orders get the lowest numbers. I puchased mine at 5:00 a.m. on the first day and the certification numberse were as high as 4500. I knew that couldn’t be right and when I called I got the run around. After much insistence on an answer they finally told me the promotion was mistakenly placed by an employee who had been fired as a result of running it. They admitted the proofs DID NOT go out in the order they were advertised. That’s my experience. All in all not good but I understood the massive growth they were experiencing would likely lead to such issues and so, I was forgiving.

    Second, I’m worried about your legal situation. You have been active in marketing these coins and some may take the position that you are responsible for delivery. If you haven’t done so, please seek counsel as soon as possible. I would not want you to be exposed to liabilty for future delivery failures. Also, it’s none of my business, but I hope you had good legal advice in structuring your deal with the mint. All of your trademarks should be protected. You should be able to get an injuntion if he is threating to continue using your property in violation of your agreement. But all those issues are secondary to your potential exposure to liability for unfulfilled orders.

    All the best to you in your endeavors and I’m truly sorry for this unfortunate eventuality.

  • Jet

    Chris, sorry to hear this.What a piece of shit. He did not have to go all the way to congress to tell them they are thieves. All he had to do was look in the mirror!!
    I’m thankful I received my coins. Sorry to hear of others not getting theirs. Hope you can get to the bottom of this.

    Thanks for all you do.

  • Maranatha

    Why would this retard just throw his entire customer base out the window? Who in their right mind will purchase anything from MM now? Those of us into sound money are also into sound mind because of people like Chris edifying us. 9 out of 10 people purchased these medallions not just because they wanted the silver but because they want to associate themselves with extraordinary individuals like Chris and his message.

    I am woefully inadequate to express in words how deeply saddened and disappointed this happened and neither can I express how much I appreciate, admire and support Chris Duane and his tireless and selfless efforts to raise our awareness.

    Prayers will be ascended that resolve and justice will be swift.

  • Walt

    It would appear that this goes beyond being just a civil matter. There may have been a criminal offense committed here (fraud).

    I’d suggest you go to the authorities with this.

  • Alex

    I ordered FG on Jan 29 and have not received them either. I’ve been calling the customer support and becoming angrier each time because of the incompetent of the service people. Now I understand why those people are that way. So sorry to hear this Chris…

  • Surfsidewood

    Hey Chris. Weird coincidence. I’ve been waiting since Feb 14th for 80 oz. of freedom girl and have been trying to be patient, but my instincts were telling me something wasn’t right. I’ve been consciously trying to suppress those feelings because I wanted to keep up my support for you, but yesterday the feeling was just too overwhelming. So I called the mint yesterday to cancel my order, and was told by customer service that they would buy back the silver at the lowest price and add a 5% charge onto it, so it wasn’t in my best interest to cancel. I guess I should have known that by reading the terms and conditions on the site. The customer service girl was promising me up and down that they would be shipped out this week and that I would definitely receive them next week. I’m thinking now that I should call and cancel the order and take the hit. But then there’s no guarantee I will get the money back either. It’s total bullshit that he can blatantly reneg on his contract with you, but hold customers to their contract simply because he’s the one holding the money. I learned a long time ago that the only person in this world that you can truly trust is yourself (business or personal). If you expect other people to live up to the standards that you hold for yourself, you will be consistently let down. Integrity is a hard virtue to find in people these days. But everything does happen for a reason, and a year from now you will look back and think about how glad you are that things worked out the way they did. I just hope that all the people who still have outstanding orders don’t get screwed in the process. Keep up the good work.

  • Lmo

    Dagnabbit man I really wanted this to succeed and this BS is just slowing us down.

    Road bump Chris. Soldier up brother and let’s get this show on the road.

    We know you do good work sir. Time to replace a few team members and get back on point.

    • Silver Shield

      That is the irony about all of this, Rob thinks he has all of the power and yet he is the one most easily replaced.

  • Fern

    Chris:

    It is hard to trust anyone, but this event will make you strong. Keep up the good work.
    You have my support

  • Mike R

    Sorry to hear whats going on Chris.
    I’m still waiting on 100 rounds from SBSS. My question is: Who owes me? Who do I need to contact? Where did MY money go and into whos account?

    • Silver Shield

      13835 Welch rd
      Farmers Branch tx 75244-4523
      I think all the bank accounts are in his brothers name David Gray.
      I will find out the names of the banks foreign and domestic.

  • Gordon

    So how in the hell am I going to get the 40 coins I ordered months ago!?

    • Silver Shield

      13835 Welch rd
      Farmers Branch tx 75244-4523
      Come on down and see if he will tell you you will get “nothing” like he told me.
      After all who the hell am I?

      • Silver42

        Members who haven’t got their coins should all go down there together if they don’t get their coins soon. Make it a mini vacation to meet other members. “Coins for the Lost Cause”.

  • Jason mcbride

    I am suppose to get my order today of slave queen and freedom girl. Rob wtf is your problem man?????? Hope all is there. Yeah I had a hard time dealing with customer service myself they could never find my wire and seemed to care less. I wasn’t going to order anymore from them anyway.

  • Marcel

    I’m so sorry, for you and the cause! Humans are clever animals!

  • Jesse

    I find the story in this link from the Mulligan Mint ironic given the circumstances: http://mulliganmint.com/discover-m2/history/

    Sorry to hear of this Chris. Something is very bizarre about this entire situation. My understanding from what I have seen available on bullion dealer websites is that Mulligan Mint does have other silver rounds it issues besides SBSS.

    With his personal reputation to uphold along with that of the Mulligan Mint why would Rob defraud people right out of the gate? He would obviously be found out and it would be game over for him and the mint, not to mention legal issues. It’s hard to take trips to Singapore and enjoy your Mansion from a jail cell assuming this is all true. (Though I do find it strange that a small-time bullion dealer owner could afford these things).

    I received all my orders which were small and hope those that have place orders continue to receive theirs. It’s hard for me to imagine that this guy would just disappear with everyone’s silver and money and think he wouldn’t face any consequences.

    The other thought I had was that maybe he was pissed that you had the balls to fly down and tell him you were tired of all the problems and delays and were shutting down and taking your trademark SBSS coins and dies elsewhere after all the months of this project that he helped build as well.

    His ego would be outraged and the snap reaction may have been to tell you that you would get “nothing” to show you he was in control and that nobody walks away from him after all this time working together.

    If he was thieving the entire time he is a really dim bulb. What was all the pomp and circumstance for him to go to Washington D.C. and basically call the congressmen thieves if he was one himself? -Strange behavior to say the least.

    Hopefully more details will come forward in this in the days to come and some type of response will be given from Rob. I can’t imagine that he wouldn’t fulfill all outstanding orders unless he has a wish to be behind bars or continue doing business with his other silver rounds to the bullion dealers.

    Please keep us posted as to how things shake out.

  • Perry

    Gosh,
    So sorry that you have to be dragged through the mud like this. There is no reason for this type of behavior, other than greed and mental disturbance. It is a cautionary tale for sure, if a guy like you – who writes about these people with great care and insight – ends up getting taken advantage of by one of the same. I’m sorry for you and anyone else involved that it happened this way.

    “You cannot defeat evil in the world, you can only resist it in yourself.” No truer words have ever been spoken.

  • Russ

    I hope Rob would assure people that orders not recieved would be filled or money refunded, sorry hear about this news. I have been waiting sice 2/21/2013 for my order.

    Russ

  • Desp

    I’ve been following Mulligan Mint since it’s inception.

    Originally it was being set up as a ponzi scheme type operation, the idea was to send them your silver as a loan and they would mint it into their coins, to sell and pay for their operation to start.

    Michael Badnarik moved to Texas and was helping start it, after a few months Badnarik moved away and severed all ties. After watching a lot of his stuff I believe Badnarik to be an honorable person, I think we know why he’s no longer apart of that operation now.

  • Jeff

    I understand why my prior post did not clear the moderator given my comments suggesting the potential for liability. I understand why you would not want that suggestion stated on the board. But please make sure you pass those thoughs on to Chris. He’s probably already considered the point but I would like to make sure.

  • Thesagemind

    Do you suggest or ok if we post on his site about this situation ? There was a poster in Sept comaining about quality and it is still up
    We should let per know
    I also sent a post to jack spirko to contact you and will post stain your email so he can go direct or would you want him to post right here so all can see ?

    We are with you Chris
    Department of corporations should be contacted
    Consumer affairs
    Better business bureau
    FBI
    Texas rangers
    The sooner a cease and desist the sooner you and creditors can take it over
    It should be in your hands not rob and the whole aocs should be saved not just sbss because your coins are Acos

    • David Richardson

      Chris,

      I advise [as I am sure a top-notch attorney would advise] not to post anything further or do anything from this point with consulting a top notch attorney out of Dallas, or the DA’s office in the county the mint operates out of.

      When you Google “Mulligan Mint” this article comes up on page one. Clear what you want to post from this point.

  • Al

    Hey Chris,

    I am terribly sorry to hear about what has happened to you. You are a great person, remember that! You did everything you could and more for that mint. They owe everything to you. That mint should have been yours from the start! Their success was never theirs, it was yours! You are a man of great honor. You deserve more than that. In the end I have not one doubt that you will come out on top. Rob will always be on the bottom. Stay strong! My deepest condolences go out to you and your family.

    Take Care Chris!

    Al

  • Charles

    Wow Chris, it sounds like this has all been one ugly mess for you, with the exception of the notoriety and money you have earned. I have received all of my orders and would have liked to place a few more. I have had multiple conversations with the ladies from the Coins for the Cause customer service and accounting departments and know many others that have ordered and received great product as well. It honestly appeared to me that Mulligan Mint truly were having legitimate growing pain issues (as you stated yourself they are so very new) and were passionate about the business, diligently working long hours to fulfill their commitments and to be successful. As well as taking your business seriously. I’m sorry to hear that you are so upset and disappointed about honest mistakes, attempts and fails, that you will not be re-releasing your coin. Best of luck to you.

  • Monet

    Chris, Thank you for your honesty I am sorry that we have been decieved. We’re only waiting on 20oz, and still really want the coins, but should we cancel? I don’t want to take a hit, but better than getting ‘nothing’. I sent an email asking for my order but only got a generic email, that had already been sent in mass, letting me know it was in process. Well now we know better. Who do we call, how do we help? How do we right this?

  • Steve Stevenson

    I just spoke with Jennifer at the Mulligan Mint and she stated that all outstanding orders would be shipped out with a tracking number by next Friday, April 26th. So, either they’re trying to buy another week of time or they’re planning on fulfilling the outstanding orders to cover their asses. We shall see.

  • Chris VT

    Just got off the horn with customer service. She definitely got flustered when I asked why Provident is no longer selling the SBSS coins. Also asked her if anything fishy was going on and asked if I was going to receive my order. She started stumbling on that one too. The woman told me any outstanding orders will be filled and will ship by Friday April 26. We’ll see…

    • Mike

      Thats been the story I got this past month…We will ship next week. Every week I call its always next week…this is getting crazy!

  • Mike

    So who exactly makes up Coins for the Cause? They cashed my check. I’d like to know exacly who owns/runs it.
    Mulligan Mint? Is Mulligan Mint and AOCS one in the same?
    Thanks

    • JP

      Coins for the Cause also cashed my check nearly two months ago.
      I sent a comment which was never posted regarding REPUTATION.
      Come on be a man Chris. REPUTATION IS EVERYTHING.

  • John

    Chris, I completely feel your pain. I have been in the same situation. I live in NJ and created and designed software to be used for law enforcement to help others and had my business partner come in and steal it all from me because he was a sneaky dirty politician. I was deceived from the very start of the company. It was obvious he had done this before and knew the law well enough that he had ever angle covered. Very long story short…5 years later….once we figured out what he was doing and put all the pieces together, he sued us for bogus accusations. Me never saw a penny from the company, he stole our website, my intellectual property, patents and now we spent all of our money defending ourselves against his ridiculous lawsuit that we cant even afford to get whats truly ours back! It took me a long time to except what had happned to me but never changed who i am and will always be. Just wanted to share this story with you after reading what happened to you. Thanks for all your encouraging videos! Good luck Chris.

  • Rob Gay

    So far they are open and answering their phone. Silver bullet site is still up and their other sites are in process of moving so it says.

  • Ted Almeida

    Chris, you need to get the Texas Attorney General and the local DA involved to start an investigation. A case could easily be made for embezzlement and intent to defraud (theft) against all parties involved, including you. This is why you need to be proactive and work with the authorities to make sure people get their money or goods, or the perps are sent to prison. From what you have outlined in this letter, Mr. Gray’s trips abroad and lavish lifestyle, it seems very plausible that he has spent other people’s money.

  • SRC

    Get a lawyer, get yours and your customers money back or orders completed by a specific date, put this guy out of business. Since you went all the way to Texas I would not have left until he gave me a cashiers check for the amount or an equivalent amount in silver, gold, platinum, whatever he had. Use your cell phone to call police and say you were being robbed. At the very least make a BBB report.

  • Ryan

    This is a very valuable business lesson for me. Listen to all, TRUST none is right.

  • JP

    I am still waiting on an order bought and paid in February.
    One thing I cannot understand is
    a) $3 minting premium is roughly 10-15% which is a damn good return even after costs.
    b) Silver prices have fallen dramatically so a Feb sale was basically a short sale which can be covered cheaper for great gain.
    c) why would anyone want to swindle a profitable transaction???

    I completely disagree with your comment the you, “don’t care about your reputation”.
    *Reputation is everything in business and the fact that you do not care SAYS IT ALL.
    I guess I should have expected this from a car salesman.

    JP

  • Exneutron

    I may have been a little hard on you Chris..I apologize. I was convinced with all the delays they were letting the price of Silver go down before minting existing orders to make more. For instance if silver was 32 when I bought at 2.99 over spot paying 35 bucks a piece..Then when silver went to 27 and my rounds were finally minted thats an 8 dollar profit x’s 60000 or whatever the number ultimately minted…So there would be a motivation. Anyway your a stand up guy and volunteered this information and communication is very important. I did receive everything I ordered.You and others opened my eyes to everything that is going on and that is priceless….Although I do remember living in Ignorance and bliss but I would never want to be reinserted into the matrix..I dont care how good that steak taste!

  • Trigg3r

    Is there anything we can do individually to make sure no one ever does business with this guy again?

  • My response to this is here, if Chris will be a man and let it be heard that is

    http://www.thesurvivalpodcast.com/a-brief-update-on-aocs-and-silver-shield

    • trigg3r

      It was pretty obvious dealers were getting inventory while backorders were not being filled why don’t address this in your podcast.

    • Steve Stevenson

      I agree. Why was/am I able to order coins from their dealers, yet still haven’t received even a tracking number for my order placed in February? I think the Mulligan Mint is really going to feel the effects of losing the SBSS coins.

    • Silver Shield

      To address the lie Rob told you about the dies…
      I made an update..
      Update 1: The first lie I have heard today is that Rob refused to give me my dies, because I was working with Gus to start our own mint.

      I want the dies because…

      Screen Shot 2013-04-18 at 12.28.44 PMThey are mine. I am the designer and copyright holder of them.
      I want to secure them from being used to diminish the value of all of the SBSS coins on the market by continuing to produce them beyond my approval or control.
      I don’t need to own a mint. There are far more respectable, well oiled operations which OH BY THE WAY are much cheaper (33% cheaper) and have much better quality and turn around times.
      I want to work with a few mints so I am never in this position again.
      I want to relaunch fairly quickly. I have waste far too much time and I will not wait for months to start some other capital and labor intensive business, especially before a dollar collapse.
      What mint in the world tells their customer that they will get “nothing”?!
      I will never use these designs ever again. (Which will increase the value of these coins, but not if the dies are not secured.)

      So now with that out on the table, I want Rob Gray to turn over the dies that are not being used to fulfill customer order and just so we are really clear I would love it if they just took a HAMMER to it to damage it enough so that I cannot use it, but I can still see what it is.

      I have a die count and wait for Rob’s response to this one.

      I am sure that thousands of SBSS investors are going to be VERY INTERESTED in the outcome of this particular issue.

    • Silver Shield

      I made an update just for you…

      Update 1: The first lie I have heard today is that Rob refused to give me my dies, because I was working with Gus to start our own mint.

      I want the dies because…

      I want them because they are mine. I am the designer and copyright holder of them.
      I want to secure them from being used to diminish the value of all of the SBSS coins on the market by continuing to produce them beyond my approval or control.
      I don’t need to own a mint. There are far more respectable, well oiled operations which OH BY THE WAY are much cheaper (33% cheaper) and have much better quality and turn around times.
      I want to work with a few mints so I am never in this position again.
      I want to relaunch fairly quickly. I have waste far too much time and I will not wait for months to start some other capital and labor intensive business, especially before a dollar collapse.
      What mint in the world tells their customer that they will get “nothing”?!
      I will never use these designs ever again. (Which will increase the value of these coins, but not if the dies are not secured.)

      So now with that out on the table, I want Rob Gray to turn over the dies that are not being used to fulfill customer order and just so we are really clear I would love it if they just took a HAMMER to it to damage it enough so that I cannot use it, but I can still see what it is.

      I have a die count and wait for Rob’s response to this one.

      I am sure that thousands of SBSS investors are going to be VERY INTERESTED in the outcome of this particular issue.

  • helgeh

    Dear Chris Duane

    Life is a battle, and sometimes you loose.
    Wealth is not only silver coins, but knowledge is wealth to.
    You have given som many people knowledge, included me.
    I was thinking buy your silver coins when you started, but i thought what was best, most easy for me and after i woke up i only believe and trust myself.
    I hope you will continue teach people despite your setback.
    You the best teacher i ever have had.

    Greetings from Norway

    • Silver Shield

      I have walked away from my inheritance, this means nothing to me.
      I do not want people to get hurt and I am trying my best to get everyone paid.

  • JoeSmoe

    My, my…what a play nice group this is! I really can’t believe how benevolent you folks are about a crook that stole your money. I’m not talking about Chris, I’ve been following him for a long time and I think his heart is in the right place. Is he correct in how things are going to turn out…no one knows…it’s all speculation at this point. Will silver save our poor, pathetic asses…once again NO ONE knows, but we (yes, I too have a very vested interst in silver!) all drank the kool-aid and are waiting to see if we made the right decision. Unless something shows up later to the contrary, Chris made costly business mistake even though he came from a car sales busineww and should have know better…I’m sure it was “heat of the moment” decision and beliving in what he was forcasting. And why not make some cash along the way like all the other folks that start out as blog to inform and convert followers (Mike Mahoney, Silver Doctors, David Morgan…you get the picture, he had a built in market base and I don’t blame for trying.

    However, if you people are going to wait around for our beloved judicial system to get your money back…you need to wake the fuck up, because once you “lawyer up” and agree to pay that bloodsucker, you’ve alreay lost. Now there is a reason that not long ago, if you caught a guy stealing your cattle or horse, he found that justice was REAL quick and took a long drop from a short rope. Justice served and an example for others to observe and contemplate before stealing another mans means of earning a living. Rob Gray has knowingly stolen from you and your family…and laughs in your faces. Does MF Global and Jon Corzine ring a bell? Really that asshole is still walking around…for the life of me I can’t figure out why he has not ended in ditch with his dick in his mouth! Could that be what is wrong with this country now…we/ve turn into a bunch of pussies. If Rob Gray had stolen my money, I would be standing on his doorstep wanting some ansewers and silver or money. What is it going to take in this country for people to get mad and take action…maybe when they start taking our savings accounts to bail out the banks AGAIN. You guys need to unite and as a group show up and talk to Rob Gray…”Nothing” really? Jesus wept…

  • David George

    Chris I have tried to contact you with no luck regarding coins that were returned to the mint. Coins are MIA. Can you pleas contact me?

  • Ronald L. Trickel

    Chris, you are a very bright light indeed. I am a man twice your age but have learned so much from you. One of those things is how difficult it can be to find the truth in this day and age. Our society is full of greedy, liars, cheats, frauds, double crossers, and on and on. Unfortunately we have to trust others in order to accomplish much at all. So who do you trust when you can’t really trust anyone? You trust your spouse even though you know that at least half of all marriages end in divorce. That spouse then can hire a lawyer and become a very formidable adversary who knows more about you than anyone. So what do you do? Who do you trust? I think that the answer is that you trust everyone but at the same time you trust no one. How do you do that? You trust but you continuously watch and verify. It is the only way. It’s the most trusted partner the most wonderful wife, the loyal and trusted brother and on and on who hurt you and take you for the most. Who knows Chris perhaps someone as young and energetic and talented as yourself that I have learned so much from can possibly learn just a little from me. I hope so because I really like your idea about constitutional silver and I hope that I can work out the details to participate in your program. I really trust that you will learn from this and not let me down.

  • Jay

    Is it conceivable that the silver shortage is so great to even playing a role in this whole situation?

    • Silver Shield

      We shut down sales March 11th…
      I was told April 8th EVERYONE would be made whole and we would launch April 15th.
      Now they are saying April 26th?!
      I mean come on!!!
      This has nothing to do with that.

  • Joshua Stewart

    did Gus say why he left ? is silver Will still there? what do you think he was doing in Singapore? I read the report on Rob WOW a true psychopath. He looks like such a tool in that video too LOL

    • Silver Shield

      I have spoken to Gus a lot about it and I will let him tell his story as this progresses.

  • Thanks Chris for taking the blunt of the frontal attack and making a way as what to do and not do. I pray that we all come out of this in one piece with minimum losses

  • Chris you are my favorite guy in the metals community along with david morgan and eric sprott. I have learned volumes from your sons of liberty and youtube videos that could never be measured in dollar values. I am sorry you had these issues with the mint and sad to say by proxy you lost a lot of followers being associated with the awful service they provided. I had several emails go unanswered and when they did reply they were very short and cold as you put it. I must admit though being a person that doesn’t make a lot of money that you said us small stackers were gaming the system for the free copper rounds. I thought those rounds only came into production to make up for the late shipping times. At no time did I make smaller purchases to game the system to get more copper rounds. I was happy with just one as to say “hey thanks for your patience” I was personally hurt because I have spent untold hours defending you and your message and I felt a little stabbed in the back. I know there probably were people out there gaming the system to get more copper rounds but it seems that could have been rectified by only giving one round per shipping address, name, credit card number… I know people could still get around that but it would have made it a lot harder. I still support your message and think you are a good guy, I just feel like I was accused of doing something I didn’t do. After I voiced my concern on youtube you claimed I was a toxic person and you had no time for me. I’m man enough not to take such things to heart but if you knew how hard I have defended you from your detractors you wouldn’t as easily have said that I don’t think. But don’t let this get you down man I love your designs and I’m sorry people aren’t always who you think they are and that Rob did this to you.

    • Silver Shield

      I am not down and I slept like a baby last night for the first time since I got involved in this mess.
      Nothing like the finality of having a man look you in the eye and tell you you are getting “nothing”.
      This was all his choice and I gave him 7 months of patience and support and this is how he acts?

  • MATT

    PLEASE EXPLAIN what is unprofessional about it.. He’s been screwed by a scamster and is letting the public know..Or are you another one of these “it’s only business’ one liners who participate in the scamming? I’ve met many of them! ASSHOLES!!

  • PdBallerina

    Jack, You have been warned… I think you will accountable if your listeners get ripped off at this point. Why is AOCS minting Ant Shields when SBSS customers have been waiting for months for their orders…it doesn’t pass the smell test even if you knew nothing else about this situation. I know you are an honest guy and highly trusted in the silver/prepper community, please just be careful.

  • blair

    correct Matt. this line of thinking and doing business must end within all of us…individually. Chris will make mistakes but i cannot say anything negative about his post. May he and any customers that have lost something retrieve it back and then some. let the universe decide this individuals fate as his path may be a deceptive one. bitcoin’s a bust…another ponzi scheme. If you don’t hold it u don’t own it……

  • tbc

    I can’t tell you how frustrating it was to spend so much money on the CftC website for Freedom Girl medallions during the launch week, then see them listed for sale on Provident for immediate delivery. I’ve now waited 2 months, they have my money, I have nothing, meanwhile, Provident (and everyone else) is sold out. The response I get from their customer service is always “next week”. This has been going on for far too long. I wonder if we have enough affected folks for a class action lawsuit? I’m not out as much as Chris or some others, but I spent a fair chunk of change ($4500), and I’m feeling pretty grumpy about it right now. If I lived anywhere near the mint, I’d be banging on their doors demanding to see my order filled. Checking out the FTC website, it appears they may already be guilty of fraud. http://www.consumer.ftc.gov/articles/0221-billed-merchandise-you-never-received-heres-what-do

  • Silver Shield

    What is with these guys? First BitCoin guys pumping million dollar bitcoins and now with ALL of the warnings I am giving…

  • DreadMatt

    I’m starting to question Jack and TSP! Seems like jack (without actually doing any investigation) simply stuck up for his buddy Rob and name called Chris. I never saw any attempt from mr spirko to reach out to Chris to shear his side of the the. Just defend his butt buddy rob instead. This who thing smells of something bad. Trust no one!

  • Plataschild

    On Jack’s podcast, April 19th, he appears to respond (at the beginning to the show) to your query saying that they have plenty TSP rounds in stock. Really? Then why am I still waiting on my order? CftC is telling me 21 business days once my check has cleared.

  • SpyderTL

    Why not just cancel your order, and place an order with Provident?

  • Mike

    Because they don’t do refunds. They simply offer to buy back the silver at current spot price and charge $35 to do it.
    Silver has dropped $7.50 an oz since I placed my order. No way in hell am I going to let this “business” keep close to $800 of mine! They must be smoking that shit if they think I’m going to allow them to do that!

  • swanee

    They have over 2000.00 of my money. I will not back down on that one. NOT A CHANCE IN HELL!!!

  • Silver Shield

    Use the Texas Attorney General link.

  • ShadowLight2012

    Maybe you should schedule a day for all your viewers to get on planes to Texas and pay him a visit. You could make a (peaceful) video on the whole scam for YouTube.

  • Chris, as yet another past victim of a “perfectly wonderful business partner”, I know EXACTLY what you’re going through. HE is pocketing all of the money and trying to make YOU out to be the bad guy, while sticking you with whatever he can in the process.

    NB: Sent an email to Heidi today about a potential future project that would benefit us all, if you agree to consider it. Contact her next time you get a free minute, and ask her about it. It’s all about freedom…(and a little about saving lives, fixing the economy, human health, detoxifying the food supply, etc.)

    Example of how I used two of your AWESOME designs to help spread the message:

    http://overgrow.ning.com/photo/choice-04-08-2013

  • DreadMatt

    For shits and giggles I may order a (horrible looking) sentinel coin and set the price at 10,000 so as to show how rediculous these worthless coins are. Or I may set the price to $0.00 plus shipping.

  • magerlee

    Chris,
    You Know they are still using your youtube videos to promote the freedom girl and slave queen and also to educate about the past products. If you have control of the videos on Youtube couldn’t you put a banner on them exposing the mint and giving the address of where they could find you? Just a thought

  • JB

    I have to agree – the sentinel idea was a good one, but the coin itself is butt ugly.

  • Magerlee

    One other thing I just noticed on your youtube channel there is still a link to purchase your coins from the Mulligan mint you might want to redirect that, just trying to be helpful.

  • […] I have gotten tons of emails from people “concerned” because Chris Duane just severed all ties with Rob Gray of AOCS and Mulligan Mint.  In doing so Chris posted what I consider one of the most unprofessional public “Dear John” letters to ever see the light of day.  You can read it on his blog here. […]

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