Update 35: I Have Severed ALL Ties With Rob Gray and Mulligan Mint

Screen Shot 2013-04-18 at 12.28.44 PMI originally met Rob Gray through a friend and member who introduced us both related to his testimony before Ron Paul’s subcommittee.  Thereafter, we had conversations for several months about silver, etc. and even traveled to Silver Summit together. When I started business dealings with Rob Gray we had a business deal that I would design and promote my Silver Bullet Silver Shield medallions and he and his new Mulligan Mint would produce and fulfill them.  Seemed like a very simple straightforward business relationship.

I performed my half of the deal well beyond anyone’s expectations, but there seemed to be constant issues on Rob’s end of the deal, such as complaints about PayPal, credit cards, delays in delivery, shoddy production quality, awful customer service, etc.

Knowing that starting something like this is not easy, I was very patient and did my best to try to support their effort for over 7 months. I tried pumping the breaks with delayed launches, but that was not enough. Then, things started to not add up for me.

Given my concerns, I halted ALL sales March 11th to clear a persistent backlog that grew to an estimated 92,000 ounces or roughly $3 million.

I was given assurances that all orders would be fulfilled by April 8th and we were going to launch on April 15th. I then come to find out the Sales Director, Gus Demos, who was my main contact with the Mint, abruptly quit on April 11th.

I immediately cancelled the Tax Slave Day relaunch of Slave Queen, Freedom Girl and the Redoubt coin. (I did this despite record demand for silver and incredibly low silver prices.)

From that moment on all the pieces started to come together as people started comparing notes about what they knew of Rob.

  • Why was he constantly try to run so fast when problems need to be corrected?
  • Why is he taking several recent vacation trips to Singapore in the midst of all these problems?
  • Why did he purchase a new mansion on an airstrip in Plano, Texas?
  • Why did  the sales director abruptly quit?
  • Why were paid retail customers waiting while he sold to dealers behind my back and my strict orders to stop ALL sales.

 

After many months of broken promises and constant aggravation of taking all of the heat for things I had no control over, I decided to fly to Dallas and confront Rob Gray face-to-face to resolve all open matters between us.

Despite his previous gregarious conversations and his jovial personality, at this meeting a different Rob Gray was present.  This one was curt and cold.  I sat down and simply and frankly told him I had no interest in continuing a business relationship and simply asked for my dies, the SilverBulletSilverShield.com URL, an accurate customer accounting of what is owed, affiliate commissions, final customer ounces delivered and/or collect all that is owed, and what was owed to me (including 1,500 personal ounces I sent down for minting from bars to my coins).

His response was “what if I just say ‘no’, what are you going to do?” I responded with “That’s not what I was hoping for, but I will be forced to go another route.” Thereafter, I stormed out after only 5 minutes when Rob Gray told me that I would get “nothing“.

Based on all my experience and dealings with Rob as well as the learned experiences of others, I suspect something very nefarious is going on at Mulligan Mint. As a result, I will be talking with customers, employees, affiliates, refiners, retailers and Free Lakota Bank and Mulligan Mint investors and depositors and telling anyone interested anything and everything I know about the situation, Rob Gray, Mulligan Mint, etc.  I think if I shine a very bright light on the situation, maybe we can all get the answers.

I will have MUCH more, very soon, after I have a clearer picture, when I have a conference call with the major creditors that I know of.

I will leave all options open after that.

Here is a just the beginning of what I have recently found out when people start talking.

33 Page Report On Rob Gray the Hypnotist, Water Ionizer Salesman that says “Mr. Gray may actually deserve an Oscar nomination for his theatrics in some of the videos that have been posted on this website.”

Free Lakota Bank is not a FDIC Bank…

South Dakota Dept. of Labor warns about unlicensed Free Lakota Bank

And not a bank of the Republic of Lakotah…

The Republic of Lakotah is in NO WAY associated with this new “freelakotabank.” Caveat Emptor!

So who’s bank is it?!

 

I do not care about my lost time, energy, money, opportunity, reputation, or silver.

I ONLY care about the truth.

 Feel free to add your story in the comment section below so that the people that are on the fence can have their Usual Suspects moment.

 

Regretfully,

Chris Duane

 

P.S. Just as I was about to post this, I get an email blast from the Mulligan Mint that they are selling The Survival Podcast Ant Shield?!

Somebody better let Jack know what is going on before his good name and customers get caught in this growing mess.

 

Listen to all, TRUST NONE.

 

“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague.” -Marcus Tullius Cicero

 

Update 1: The first lie I have heard today is that Rob refused to give me my dies, because I was working with Gus to start our own mint.

I want the dies because…

  1. Screen Shot 2013-04-18 at 12.28.44 PMThey are mine.  I am the designer and copyright holder of them.
  2.  I want to secure them from being used to diminish the value of all of the SBSS coins on the market by continuing to produce them beyond my approval or control.
  3. I don’t need to own a mint.  There are far more respectable, well oiled operations which OH BY THE WAY are much cheaper (33% cheaper) and have much better quality and turn around times.
  4. I want to work with a few mints so I am never in this position again.
  5. I want to relaunch fairly quickly.  I have waste far too much time and I will not wait for months to start some other capital and labor intensive business, especially before a dollar collapse.
  6. What mint in the world tells their customer that they will get “nothing”?!
  7. I will never use these designs ever again. (Which will increase the value of these coins, but not if the dies are not secured.)

So now with that out on the table, I want Rob Gray to turn over the dies that are not being used to fulfill customer order and just so we are really clear I would love it if they just took a HAMMER to it to damage it enough so that I cannot use it, but I can still see what it is.

I have a die count and wait for Rob’s response to this one.

I am sure that thousands of SBSS investors are going to be VERY INTERESTED in the outcome of this particular issue.

Update 2: I was told that Rob had a meeting with the whole staff after I blew out of there and that he said he would give me my 1,500 ounces.  I would love to know when and where I can get it, Rob.  I would think this would be very easy for you to do since that is provable theft in my opinion.

Update 3: I have completed my research and will be moving on many fronts to protect those that are involved in this mess.

I have gotten word that the new date they are stringing people along with April 26th.  Snap out of denial and stop hearing what you want to hear.  April 8th was the drop dead date… then the 15th… get a refund or a tracking number!  If you bought by credit card…

What they probably did not tell you is that their caster is down and blanks are pretty hard to come by right now.  It sure does look like they are trying to get this stuff out and when you tell a guy like me that I am getting “nothing” that frees up (in Rob’s mind) some time and capital.  I know he has bought time with some others that want to believe, but the fact is the circle is getting tighter as people start talking and wising up.

I have also heard complaints about the Free Lakota Bank is not returning calls.  Shocker…. I will be releasing more on the truth about Free Lakota Bank later. I already suspect that I am going to get “nothing” also.

I am posting some helpful links and phone numbers and suggest you do your own due diligence.

  1. Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott
  2. The Federal Trade Commission hotline 877-382-4357
  3. South Dakota Attorney General 605-773-3215
  4. You can also contact your local State Attorney General

Update 4: The only thing that really matters is your name.Screen Shot 2013-04-24 at 4.01.46 PM
You got it from your father,
It was all he had to give,
So its yours to use and cherish,
For as long as you may live.
If you lose the watch he gave you,
It can always be replaced,
But a black mark on your name son,
Can never be erased.
It was clean the day you took it,
And a worthy name to bare,
When he got it from his father,
There was no dishonor there.
So be sure you guard it wisely,
After all is said and done,
You’ll be glad the name is spotless,
When you give it to your son.
– Anonymous
Screen Shot 2013-04-25 at 8.17.09 AMUpdate 5: Free Lakota BankI got an email this morning that they are doing extremely well and they have hired extra staff, so answering some of these questions should be very simple.  If you have silver with the Free Lakota Bank, here are some questions you may want to ask…

  1. Where is the bank? Where are the offices? Who is the staff besides Eddie Allen in Dallas? Is there anybody in the 605 area code associated with the Free Lakota Bank?
  2. Does the Mulligan Mint in Dallas have the Free Lakota Bank safe in their mint?  Are there more safes? How are the assets segregated? Where is you silver?
  3. Is it insured? Can you see proof of insurance?
  4. When was it audited last? By whom? Where are the results?
  5. What Republic of Lakotah  projects  does the General Development Fund go to?
  6. Do they even have a location on the Lakotah property after all of these years?
  7. Why does the Republic of Lakotah say they are, “in NO WAY associated with this new “freelakotabank.” Caveat Emptor!“?
  8. Who owns the Free Lakota Bank? Is it even a legal entity? Where is it registered? If not, who lays claim to the assets?
  9. According to Whois Domain Lookup Rob Gray registered the domain Sept. 7th 2008. What is his relationship to the Free Lakota Bank?
  10. Can funds from the Free Lakota Bank be used for private or personal investments? What safe guards or transparency are in place to ensure your investment?

The good thing is that according to the site “Withdrawing: Any and all withdraws from the Free Lakota Bank will be issued in AOCS Approved Silver medallions. The currency can be shipped direct from the bank or may be issued by an AOCS Trade Coordinator or Authorized Dealer.”  This is great since the minting fee to produce these coins is relatively high and since they still have unjustly kept my dies and my coins are AOCS Approved you should get your silver in Freedom Girls or Slave Queens.  Considering the premiums on these coins right now compared to the raw value of silver, this might be a good time to explore those options.

Update 6:  The “Buzzard Dollar” is reborn.

The Morgan Dollar was derided as one of the ugliest coins in the US Mint history and was loosely called the “Buzzard Dollar”.  In an effort to quickly roll out another coin to keep the game going, the Mulligan Mint is using an altered Morgan Dollar Reverse as the back of the Redoubt coin.  What makes this worse is that the .999 looks like a 666.  At least they had the decency not to use my Reverse.

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Original Morgan Reverse on Left. New Redoubt Reverse on right.

Screen Shot 2013-04-24 at 8.51.47 PMUpdate 7: More excuses to buy more time… Today comes the announcement that the Mulligan Mint will ONCE AGAIN fail to deliver on their promised deadlines.  We have people from January still not fulfilled despite a $10 drop in the price of silver…  Rob Gray told me that I would get “nothing” and I have since severed ties…  and they still have the still have the arrogance to launch with two new partners and coins?!

And since when do they care about quality?  From day one quality has been a major issue that has never been resolved.  I would ask you to find out what supplier “failed” with sub-par blanks, but I already know it is BS.

Failed with the end of March deadline…

then April 8th…

then Tax Slave Day April 15th…

and now April 26th.

Something really stinks!

File an online complaint with Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott

 Update 8: May 2nd and STILL all orders are not fulfilled.

Despite all of the fake promises to fulfill all orders we are close to a MONTH past the April 8th deadline and orders are still not fulfilled.  I mean there are orders from January/February and $10 higher silver NOT fulfilled.  The customers that are left are the largest orders by volume and there is no way of knowing how many thousands of ounces are still owed.  Snap out of denial and take action.  Small claims court could be an option or you can file a complaint, do your own due dilligence.

  1. Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott
  2. The Federal Trade Commission hotline 877-382-4357
  3. South Dakota Attorney General 605-773-3215
  4. You can also contact your local State Attorney General

Update 9: Moving Forward with Silver Bullet Silver Shield

I have been like Janus wrapping up the past with lawyers and investigators and working towards the future with new partners retail and production partners.  I am going forward alone to continue to do what I do best design and promote SBSS silver.  I have no interest in the minting or sales of these coins and will only act as the intermediary between the largest retailers and the two mints that will produce the coins.  I have established a connection with a reputable mint to produce Proof SBSS and I hope by the end of today I will have a BU production mint locked on.  These mints are long established, independent, family owned mints that have a reputation for great quality, dependable delivery times, excellent reputation.  I am excited to see what these coins can do when I can launch  more designs, get quicker turn around times, and superior quality.

I am shooting for the end of May to launch War Bird and Love.  I hope to launch 1 coin a week after that.  I will continue to work solely with Heidi Wastweet and limit the time these coins will be available. Despite the crazy market for silver, I am shooting for the same price points of $2.99 over spot for BU and $14.99 for Proof.  I believe the combination of my designs and promotions, Heidi’s excellent work, low price points, the largest retailers, and finally a dependable and quality partner producing the coins we will be able to restart the fire very quickly.

Update 10: Enter the Clowns

How many other bloggers are going to try to jump into my boots?  Well the latest is the stoner, BitConer Adam Kokesh, this despite all of the drama of tremendous delivery failures, shoddy quality, awful customer service and the final coup de grace of Rob Gray telling me that I would get “nothing”.   It seems that some bloggers will turn a blind eye to sell their customers out for a quick buck. (Or so they think.)  The wonderful thing with this is that I have warned everyone and their customers will provide the money to fulfill orders from months ago that are still waiting.

Despite all of the efforts the Mulligan Mint is trying to do to stay alive, I do not believe they will last long since this is such a small world in the silver community.  You don’t stay in business too long by screwing customers and partners over.  I don’t think too many people are going to trust them and it is clear many of the major retailers will no longer expose themselves to the inherent risks associated with them.  I will do everything in my power with speaking out, investigators and lawyers to take care of those injured in this drama.  The good thing is that I was ONLY involved with them for 7 months and they have nowhere near the 92,000 ounces once owed when I shut down sales on March 11th nearly TWO MONTHS ago.

Screen Shot 2013-04-18 at 12.28.44 PMI want everyone to watch this latest video from Adam Kokesh as I break down the lies and you will hear from his own mouth that Rob Gray and the Mulligan Mint are going to try to sell Slave Queen and Freedom Girl with other backs on it.  This is the sleaziest thing I have ever heard any mint doing.  Since I am the Copyright Owner, ANY infringement will only lead to more people to be involved in my lawsuits I am pursuing.  It is insane to think that a manufacturer has ownership of intellectual property that I own.  Rob says he paid for the dies, but that came from profits of the sales I brought in and their part of the dealer was to produce and fulfill.

What person in the world would ever trust the Mulligan Mint to produce their coins, when they clearly intend on stealing it for their own.  Then think about the current owners of SBSS coins, I want these coins to be fulfilled and retired long ago and now it seems there is going to be no end until a Judge puts an end to this once and for all.  I don’t want the dies to produce more, I WANT THEM DESTROYED so the BS ends.

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Before…

‘It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.” -Upton Sinclair

Feel free to thumbs down on YouTube, but don’t bother commenting, you will just get banned.

http://youtu.be/1fvE_g6pb9M

00:32 “Obviously and blatantly wrong”  Originally an 92,000 ounce back log from March 11th that was promised to be taken care of originally in 2 weeks by Rob… then promised to have everyone delivered by April 8th… then the sudden resignation of the Director of Sales April 11th… everyone owed money and or silver while he takes trips to Singapore and buys a mansion on an airstrip… no replies to my emails… selling major retailers despite my  total shut down of  sales on March 11th further pushing PAID customer orders back… missing the April 15th relaunch date because they still did not deliver…  no responses… then BS emailed excuses… and FI

NALLY I had to fly down to Dallas to see for my face that Rob had no intention of making things right when he told me to my face that I would get nothing that I was owed and I could not even find out what the customers were owed.  So yeah Adam, something was obviously and blatantly wrong.

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After?

00:36 “claiming he lost a lot of money without documentation to back it up. I wanted to see the numbers…”  I have never seen a clean Profit and Loss statement the entire time.  Throughout the entire ordeal I was extremely patient as they were struggling to keep up with the tremendous demand I created but when I became suspicious something was nefarious going on I sought to mitigate the problem by shutting down sales in March and trying to make a clean break.  Every time I asked to see a statement I was told that they were between book keepers and they were always days a way from getting it done.  Never was their a real accountant allowed to see the books.  My estimate of loss is from the former Sales Director on what he told me that I am still owed, and even he will will tell you that he has no idea what that really is since not even HE was allowed to see the books.  Meanwhile Rob plays in Singapore and goes home to his Mansion on an airstrip…

00:42 “Pretending he did not make any money.”  I never claimed not to make any money, just not what I was owed.  I did get my only wire of $75,000 in March and that was just fraction of the money and silver that I was owed.  I also waited for months for my own silver while others got fulfilled using my silver for a rolling inventory.  I was able to finally get my metal back this spring.  Like a good Marine leader, I always was patient and put myself at the end of the line in terms of fulfillment and payment.  Never would I consider to lead others into a danger for a quick profit.  Meanwhile my “partner” was running up hundreds of thousands in credit card bills traveling the world with his family and buying mansions.  The thing that is very obvious to me, everyone is owed money except Rob.

00:52 “I checked the books, I have seen the paper work”  Really because I never have.  Perhaps you can send it to me or my lawyer or post something online?  Where did you get your accounting degree from?  Do you typically trust people that have been shown to lie especially when it is clear that they would profit off of it?  Did you disclose your $4,000 a month sponsorship for the Mulligan Mint before you did this video?  Was the trip to Dallas paid for buy Rob?  Can you tell me how much I sold because I never saw the second set of books that showed the hundreds of thousands of sale to online retailers?

00:58 “For the little value you contributed”  Laughably insane statement.  Before Rob met me he was selling copper coins and water ionizers.  I brought him publicity and business.  I estimate that 90% of all of the business that went through that place was a direct result of my connection and reputation.  The sales, the investors, the depositors, the other bloggers, the retailers… They went from 4 employees to 45 while I was there.  There WAS NO MINT before me, just an empty warehouse with no presses.   And despite whatever you think it was worth it was a 50/50 split in profits on my stuff and 30% of Coins For The Cause coins that include your sorry silver sales Adam.

01:03 ” You made out like  bandit to the tune of $182,000″  I got one wire for $75,000 in March and NO 1099 for all of last year’s business with the Mulligan Mint.  And that still does not get over the fact that my customers are still not fulfilled, I am out my 1,500 ounces and according to the former sales director an estimated $250,000 and that is before the Coins for the Cause profits.

01:07 “And now you are thinking you are going to start your own mint, on a lie.” The only lie in that statement is that I was planning to start my own mint.  I never even considered starting a mint when there are clearly others that have been doing it much longer than I that will take better care of my designs and customers.  In fact I am talking with 3 mints to produce future coins.  The mint is the easily and most needed replacement of this whole drama.

01:22 “Never see a deal like this again” Geez I hope so, I would hate to be ROBbed from ever again like this.  It is not all about money, I have walked away from my family’s inheritance for a greater purpose and would never sell my soul for money.  I have better mints, with better quality, better prices, and better turn around times and a larger more reliable retail network to work with.

I will be adding more to this later, but it is just all BS…  feel free to jump into the comment section and help wade through the lies.

Update 11: Desperation sets in at the Mulligan Mint.

With now three failed posted Silver Bullet Silver Shield launches and a withering retail support the Mulligan Mint seems intent on either continuing selling Slave Queens and Freedom Girls with or without the Silver Bullet Silver Shield.  (Start watching 9:50)  The best thing about this people will not being trusting Mulligan Mint or Adam Kokesh.  Like I told Rob Gray,  you only get one name in this world and I am confident despite all of this drama, my name is still very well intact.

 

The time, money, publicity, retailers, suppliers, customers, employees, investors, depositors, and legal action is slipping away from what once felt the abundance mentality.  I believe that the we are weeks, if not days, of the final implosion of this drama.

I will caution everyone in dealing with the Mulligan Mint or any paid trolls the same warning the Republic of Lakotah warned about Rob Gray’s Free Lakota Bank… Caveat emptor!

Screen Shot 2013-05-06 at 10.04.16 AM Update 12:  Coins For (Rob) The Cause Affiliate Webinar

There is an affiliate webinar tonight for another coin launch trying to recapture the magic of what they once had with the Silver Bullet Silver Shield.

Like a husband that in unfaithful with his wife by cheating on her with a mistress in Vegas, it will never be the same again.

The silver community is far to small to break trust so egregiously, at so many different levels to think things will ever go back as it was.

You ONLY get one name and those that are affiliated with the Mulligan Mint would be better off looking for something else than ruining their name trying to resuscitate this mortally wounded enterprise.

 

 Update 13: Supposedly All Retail SBSS Orders Are Fulfilled…

That does not include the thousands of ounces that were sold behind my back to retailers or what is owed to me.  This does NOT put an end to the drama by any means.

  • They still owe thousands of ounces to major retailers that have been waiting to fulfill their clients.
  • They are still over a month behind the promised date of April 8th deadline Rob Gray promised.
  • They still produce shoddy quality work that is an insult to the fine art Heide Wastweet sculpted and the message of the Silver Bullet Silver Shield.
  • Their customer service is atrocious and full of excuses/lies.
  • The risk of massive delays in the silver stacker community is unacceptable.
  • They still are using my brand, copyrights, designs, promotional format and trademark without my clear warning not to.
  • They are threatening to use my designs to unlawfully enrich others by taking Freedom Girl and Slave Queen and putting another back on it for Adam Cokesh.
  • They still owe me at least 1,500 physical ounces of silver to me.
  • They still have not handed over the SilverBulletSilverShield . com website to me, even though it was promised that it was “mine” by Rob Gray.
  • They still act like nothing has happened and not made any effort to correct the grave failures they alone have caused.
  • They still have not destroyed or turned over the dies of all of the Silver Bullet Silver Shield series that are my designs and copyrights.
  • They still threaten to add insult to injury by creating these designs to destroy the value of limited run SBSS medallions.
  • They still have not made me whole for all of the abundance I have created and earned.
  • They still use hired/invested guns to spit on me for the abundance I have created.

Screen Shot 2013-05-08 at 7.13.39 AMUpdate 14: If It Takes Months to Fulfill 300 Orders…

…how long will it take to fulfill 55 million?  The Mulligan Mint is trying their 4th?, 5th?, 6th? failed launch in the aftermath of the end of their involvement of the Silver Bullet Silver Shield series.  How many of these ill conceived coins are they going to try to push out without addressing the systemic failures they have?

The latest attempt is based off of the homo erotic, violent movie 300.  The idea is that if 300 men can can stand against a invading army, then what could 55 million do?

“For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague.” -Marcus Tullius Cicero

The first flaw I see is that those 300 men were bound by honor and trust.  They we powerful because they had implicit trust for their brothers to watch their back.  The actions of Jack Spirko and the Mulligan Mint have shown that there is no honor in stealing someones designs, silver, ideas and names.  Trust has been broken simply delivering silver, much less putting someones life on the line.  I thank God that this happened now and I got to see the true nature of these actors before TSHTF.

My experience in the Marine Corp taught me to never break trust, even if it means taking the hardest blows for yourself.  The reason why I am the last one holding the bag, is that I consistently put myself last to make sure others were taken care of.  That is why the customers are getting fulfilled and I am out over $250,000, my silver, my dies, my website and the rest.  The slanderous attacks from the likes of Jack Spirko and Adam Cokesh show that these men are more concerned with their own asses rather than doing what is right.

“100 Billion Dollars!” – Dr. Evil

BDD_DR_evil_12.16.08The second flaw I see is, where are they getting 55 million from?  Even in the sheeple world, Mitt Romney only got 58 million votes in the last Presidential election.  Why stop at  55 million if we are just making up numbers?  Why not 1 billion?!

I estimate that there are between 2-5 million one offs of the INTJ personality that would even consider that their world is flawed.  The grand majority of them are either ignorant or invested in the current paradigm to even begin the process of awakening.  And those that do take this journey, only a small percentage of those people make it to the Acceptance Stage, where they take positive productive action in their lives.  And of those people that have made it that far they have no room in their lives for deceit or risk that is clearly at play here.

Military men are just dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy.” -Henry Kissinger

The third flaw I see is, why a Sentinel?  Sentinels are guards of a collective.  They are men that follow orders of rulers and not allowed to, even for a moment, think about what is best for themselves.  My indoctrination in the Marine Corps infantry demanded ‘instant an willing obedience to orders’.  This brain washing technique is used to trick well meaning men into sacrificing themselves for the Debt and Death their rulers profit from.

Leaderless resistance is about every man a leader, not a blind follower.  I created the Sons of Liberty Academy for that very reason.  Every person should have the knowledge and logic to do what is best for themselves and their loved ones.  The resonating power of awakened and empowered individuals, stands in stark contrast to what is being portrayed in this ill conceived coin.

“Hurt people, hut people.” -Will Bowen

The fourth flaw is, the abusive psychopathic nature of these 300 warriors.  So much of our media is designed to desensitize us to psychopathic behavior.  At every turn, we are to think that it is acceptable, or worse cool, to act like a psychopath.  In the movie 300, the Spartans physically and mentally abused their young boys to become unemphatic killers.  This brings out the animal instincts that are the worst in humanity.

More military men are dying from suicide than in combat.  Is it any wonder why hundreds of thousands of strong men are suffering with the abuse, violence and guilty consciousness that arises from this mindset?  We have brain washed kids with violence for the power and profit of those that own this paradigm.  The real trauma to humanity is felt on both sides of the destruction we deal on a daily basis.

“Let them march all they want, so long as they pay their taxes.” -Alexander Haig

The fifth flaw is that this is another collective effort against a collective problem.  These guys cannot seem to help themselves to put themselves at the head of a collective they run, as they put all of the risk on to those that listen to their orders.  This is not only obvious in these bloggers selling coins with a mint that is fraught with risk, but even Adam Cokesh planned armed march into Washington D.C.  This plan is an obvious publicity attempt to further enrich Adam Cokesh, but even Alex Jones can’t even get behind it.

“Fool me once, shame on … shame on you. Fool me… You can’t get fooled again!” – George Bush

The final flaw is that they must think that we are either greedy or stupid.  It is insane or insulting to think that they are ever going to find success ever again in this very small silver community without admitting and correcting the past.  People supported the Silver Bullet and the Silver Shield because of the message.  They no longer need to deal with the risk, awful customer service and shoddy quality of the mint.  Especially because yours truly, who got this thing all started, is left empty handed.

The Silver Bullet Silver Shield is about empowering yourself and walk away from the toxic things in your life.  The wheels of justice grind slowly, but the individual withdrawing support is final.  I appreciate all of the hundreds of emails, comments and conversations of support and I am confident that I will be able to pick up right where I left off with better partners and momentum.

I understand that I only have one name and I have done everything in my power to protect it and others that have trusted me.  If the Mulligan Mint, and those involved in this drama, have any shot at any success in the future, it would be in their best interest to make everyone whole and move on.  I would have nothing to say anymore about this, if that was the case.

Interesting side note: The Mulligan Mint was named after Midas Mulligan from Atlas Shrugged.  The irony is that before Midas shut down his bank, he made sure all people were made whole.

I am still waiting.

Update 15: The Mulligan Mint Has Gone Rogue

The Mulligan Mint has broken off all mediation talks and are planning on stealing my next 4 designs.

DO NOT PARTICIPATE IN THIS CRIME.

I will be releasing my first YouTube video and proceeding with my pending litigation now that all talks have ended.

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Update 16: Honest Men and Thieves video released

 

Update 17: Desperate, Delusional, Idiots

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It seems the latest actions from the Mulligan Mint are best described by the hundreds of emails I got over the past 24 hours as desperate, delusional, idiots.  The  insanity of Rob Gray claiming, “co-founder of Silver Bullet Silver Shield” reeks of desperation.

I wrote the Silver Bullet and the Silver Shield February 25th, 2011.  The article was read by over 400,000+ people and translated into 7 different languages.  It was the reason I got to meet David Morgan and it was hailed by Jason Hommel as “The BEST article written on silver in Ten Years!”

I then went on to create 6 1/2 hours in 45+ videos on YouTube starting January 24th 2012.  The Silver Bullet Silver Shield videos were seen by over 1.8 million people world wide.  All of this while Rob Gray was probably selling water Ionizers or copper coins at carnivals.

It is my success that Rob sought to leverage to his own  personal fortune.  My brand, my ideas, my designs, my contacts, and my reputation.  That is why he contacted me to write his opening statement for Ron Paul August 2012.  He has no ideas of his own and only seeks to ensnare others into his trap.

Screen-Shot-2013-04-18-at-12.28.44-PM-150x78 I am the ONLY Copyright Owner and that is on tens of thousands Certificate of Authenticity they sent out.

I am the designer of all of all of the Silver Bullet Silver Shield medallions.

I am the creator of the Silver Bullet Silver Shield articles, videos, DVDs, and silver medallions.

Rob can ignore reality, but like Ayn Rand said , “You cannot ignore the consequences of ignoring reality.”

I once asked Rob Gray what he wanted to be when he got older.  He told me that he wanted to “be a billionaire.”  I  thought that was weird asked him why?  His response was, “because I am smarter than everyone else.”  This is the first time that I really started to ask myself what have I gotten myself into.

This claim of Rob Gray “co-founding” Silver Bullet Silver Shield is almost as insane as another delusional psychopath, Al Gore, when he claimed to invent the Internet.

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BTW Do dickheads always wear their hats like this?

IMG_7227While Rob is a psychopath that does what comes naturally to him, the person I am MOST disappointed is Will Lehr aka. Silver Willy.  He was one of the first Silver Shield Group members and I have been nothing but supportive of Will. I even helped him get this job at the Mulligan Mint.  I have given him ample opportunity to make things right and that he was only staying around until he got the customers fulfilled and me paid.  Now that both of those are dead issues, he is now complicit is stealing my designs and brand and deceiving the public into thinking that Silver Bullet Silver Shield back to the way it was.

Will Lehr is empowering something he knows to be very wrong and perhaps a few emails or phone calls will convince him to man up and walk away. Will Lehr <will@coinsforthecause.com>  I don’t think a lot of people will trusting Will anyway since he is now know as Slick Willy.

Here is a Children’s Cancer Charity Auction video I did with Will when he was at another place he hated.

http://youtu.be/uFe8DBdNkrw

Update 18: Are You A Sellout?

“And what do you benefit if you gain the whole world but lose your own soul?” -Matthew 16:26

It must be crunch time at the Mulligan Mint since they are going to jump the gun and launch MY Freedom Girl and Slave Queen today, a full 4 days in advance of their previous launch date.  They have stolen my designs and perhaps today they will see that they have sold the only thing that is truly worth anything, their reputation.   I had the biggest bloggers wait for months for their affiliate commissions as the tried to fix the books.  Do not be tempted to try and make a quick buck you will probably never see, promoting thieves.

Again, anyone promoting or supporting the Mulligan Mint in this criminal effort, should be shunned from this community.

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Update 19: Mulligan Mint Implosion Contest

Mulligan Mint implosion contestIn the middle of all of this drama I thought it might be fun to have a contest where I can give away all of the silver Rob gave me when I met him in Washington D.C. for Ron Paul’s Congressional Testimony last summer.

All entries will be posted in the comment section by the first to answer to the questions below.

1. Whoever guesses the day the Mulligan Mint closes for good, will receive my 5 oz Lakota Proof round numbered “300” on the side.  This round was used by Rob Gray in his congressional testimony and was held by Ron Paul himself.

2. Whoever guesses when the day that Free Lakota Bank closes for good, will receive 4 1 oz. Proof Lakota rounds.

3. Whoever guesses the day that the first State or Federal agency or tax authority raids the Mulligan Mint, will receive 3 1oz. Proof Andrew Jackson rounds.  (Two can play the irony game.)

4. Whoever guesses the day that Will Lehr quits/fired from the Mulligan Mint, will receive 2 1oz. Proof Ludwig von Mises rounds with the words “Tu Ne Cede Malis” or do not give in to evil.

5. Whoever has the highest rated comment on the Honest Men and Thieves video, will receive a 1 oz. BU Andrew Jackson round.

6. Whoever guesses the day Rob Gray flees the country to Singapore, will receive a 1 oz. Rob Gray copper round business card with his own personal narcissistic, vanity phone number on it that we can call looking for him, 855-Rob-Gray.

The Grand Prize is for whoever guesses the day that I get all of my customers fulfilled, my dies, my URL, my silver, my money that I am owed and this entire drama ends, will receive a 3 oz triple stacked 2012 Trivium in a cracked die collar.  This symbolizes how the Silver Bullet and the Silver Shield built the Mulligan Mint and how it will ultimately break it’s back. 

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Update 20: It’s a Trap!

It looks like they plan on launching today.  Like I warned all of the other bloggers, future sales will only go to bailing out the previous people who bought into this. This needs to end, DO NOT BUY ANYTHING FROM THE MULLIGAN MINT.

Update 21: The Original Email That Started The Silver Bullet Silver Shield coin.

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I have the entire email chain from start to finish of my ideas, for my designs, for my coins ,with my brand, backed by my reputation and effort in the silver community.    I am the one that came up with the designs, elements, layout, symbolism, message, branding and so forth.  Any false claims on my work will be met with litigation and public scrutiny.

Update 22: Tell Rob Gray I said, “Hi”

In what will no doubt be his last public appearance, Rob Gray will be at the Metals & Minerals Investment Conference in New York, May 13-14.  I would love to know the silver community’s response to his arrogant presence given the fact that he has now crossed the line and not only stolen past profits and silver, but now is stealing and producing stolen designs of mine.   Please send me any video or YouTube links asking Rob to explain himself and his actions.  Things like, how is he the co-founder of Silver Bullet Silver Shield?  Or how he thinks my copyrighted work is his?  Or if he owns Free Lakota Bank?  Are Free Lakota Bank’s depositors money used for personal ventures? Or if he needs any tax advice?  Don’t expect him to flinch since these guys swim in their own self delusion, but it is very helpful for people to see the insanity.

Update 23: Mulligan Mint is “best in the industry!”

Speaking of delusion, watch “Why The Mulligan Mint”for a good laugh.  Rob Gray actually says that the Mulligan Mint has the turn around times that are the “best in the industry!”  This only 20 seconds after the head of production said that they weren’t and they show that little toy caster that snails out silver as slow as anything I have ever seen.   We can also forget about the epic delays from day 1 that all of us have experienced, or the shoddy quality or awful customer service or that they can steal your designs if you make something that really sells.  You can forget about leaving a comment since they would not want people to laugh too hard.  You can feel free to laugh at it here though in our growing comment section.

Update 24: Silver Gold Bull, Silver Doctors, Provident Metals And Many Other SBSS Retailers Will Not Support The Criminal Relaunch Of My Designs

I am very happy to hear that the majority of the former SBSS retail partners will NOT be supporting the Criminal Relaunch Of My Designs. is a huge vote in confidence from the customers that made this decision very easy for these retailers.  The out pouring of support for my claims is only icing on the cake for these professional retailers break ties with a mint that has clearly shown that they cannot deliver on time, cannot produce quality products and cannot properly support the customer service.

There is no question that I am the creative force behind all of the designs on the Silver Bullet Silver Shield series.  Anyone that illegally profits off of my work and supporting the ridiculous claims of the Mulligan Mint will face both publicly and legally prosecuted.  The entire silver community is watching who will seek to risk their reputation and customers money for false promises.  Especially since these relaunched coins were supposed to be limited in nature.  Producing more of these designs, like Ben Bernanke, only seeks to destroy the value of what needs to be protected.

With the now 45 new designs Heidi Wastweet and I are planning to launch, there is much more abundance coming from us.

Thank you for the REAL support you are all offering.

 Update 25: Important Revelations

After weeks of hiding behind paid or invested shills, Rob Gray is finally answering some questions himself.

RRobi31729 on YouTube got and exclusive video interview with Rob Gray at last week’s Metals Conference in New York where he got some very good revelations about what is going on.

I would like to give my shot by shot analysis of his explanations and let you decide.

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2:00 He asks who is the designer of the coins and Rob cleverly answers that Heidi Wastweet is the sculptor (sculptress) knowing full well that I designed everything.

3:00 When asked about their relationship to me Rob nervously flicks his face and simply says that he partnered with me.

3:30 When asked about moving to Singapore, Rob responds that they are in fact planning on opening a second operation in Singapore.  This is very important because one of the things that made me end this relationship is the fact that while his Mulligan Mint in Dallas was shut down for weeks with a 92,000 ounce backlog, he was off gallivanting in Singapore trying to raise more money to start another mint in Singapore.  He was not doing jack about the customers he left hanging in Dallas while he was staying at $500 a night hotels, half way around the world.

And now that he has just burned 95% of his retail sales to the ground by his actions, why does he even need the capacity in Dallas, much less in Singapore.  After all who is going to trust the Mulligan Mint with their designs, after they have stolen mine?

While Rob uses the libertarian, ex-patriot rational for leaving the country, the real reason why he is leaving is because he fears his past catching up to him.  I now have information (Update 26) of a former investor of Rob Gray that sued and won a $125,000 judgement!  And that Rob then declared bankruptcy and fled Philadelphia.  I am positive he is going to flee to Singapore as his past catches up to him again. (More on that later in Update 26.)

4:30 Why are you continuing minting Freedom Girl and Slave Queen?  He says that they committed to limited time launches and uses his failure to produce in an adequate fashion as a reason for continuing the unauthorized use of my designs and brand.  The truth is he needs cash and now that it is painfully obvious that his customers have voted for me with the pitiful sales of the relaunch, time and cash are closing in.

5:31 How does the Silver Bullet Silver Shield go on without Chris?  He shows the Molon Labe coin and says that Heidi designed it.  Like Obama taking credit for job others created, NO Rob, I did that.   I am the one that came up with the ideas, elements, wording and the original art on it.  And then shows the Cannabis medallion that I also designed and first showed publicly in my Honest Men and Thieves video at 8:53

6:22 I will never come back and expose myself, my designs and my reputation to Rob Gray or the Mulligan Mint again. The only rational discussion I am interested in is getting back what was stolen from me.

8:56 When asked about quality, it is simply too little too late.  For 7 months we all dealt with horrible quality and now?! he does what he should have been doing all along?

Rob says that people should send their coins back and that they would pay for shipping. Yeah, like anyone is going to trust sending these coins back to a Mint that took months to deliver these shoddy coins in the first place!

9:33 Rob insults the customers by mocking them when it is clearly shoddy quality that even my 4 year old son can see. I personally have kept all of my coins, because they are all unique, but that is no way to run a mint.
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1:55 Rob asks for the customers to be reasonable and rational.  The only reasonable and rational thing to do at this point is to never do business again with the Mulligan Mint

3:33 When asked why he has not responded to my allegations, Rob tries to take the high road as he stands in front of all of my designs he stole.  The insanity of that fact is felt by anyone who knows what is going on.  Forget about the hundreds of thousands in profits and silver…

3:56 “We have a partnership and he has some responsibilities.”  I fulfilled my end of this deal by creating the hottest selling designs and generating the marketing to promote them.  (All of this he admits later in the video.)  When Rob Gray and the Mulligan Mint failed over and over again to do their part of the deal to produce and fulfill, I ended it.  I have no commitment to the Mulligan Mint, especially now that they stole my money, silver and designs.

4:28 “Tens of thousands of customers” Is that why you cannot sell anything anymore?  The relaunch has failed because they never addressed the reason why people made it successful in the first place.  People in the silver community are not stupid.  They walked away from the Debt and Death paradigm and they are not going to put up with the same behavior inside this small community.

4:51 “I don’t know what Chris expects from us?”  Here is what I would expect from you, Rob, deliver the remaining dealer orders that you STILL have not fulfilled, give me what I am owe in terms of profits and silver, turn over or destroy the dies, and hand over my SilverBulletSilverShield.com website.

I also do not actually expect you to do anything of that sort, which is why my lawsuit will be on your desk this week.   I might also be releasing all of the information about the past in Philadelphia Rob thought he ran away from including…

  • The investor lawsuit Rob Gray lost which led to his bankruptcy.
  • What happened with Rob’s grandmother Anna’s last will and testament.
  • The trail of destruction of companies, investors, employees, and vendors Rob left behind.  TyentUSA_Exposed
  • And much more…

5:40 “There is not one customer waiting for orders.”  While retail orders have been fulfilled, there are still thousands of ounces still owed to wholesalers and yours truly.  Once you see the past in Philadelphia Rob has, you will see the pattern of abuse is at the investor, employee and vendor level.  Why piss off a $100 customer, when there are bigger fish?

6:24 “We have partnership with the largest refiner in the western hemisphere.” NTR-OPM is now the largest silver refiner, not Republic Metals.

“Chris walked 2 days after we signed that deal knowing full well that we have reserves of silver.”  Rob had talked for months about the deal with Republic Metals, but he could not provide proper accounting to satisfy them as far as I last heard.  Heck I never saw a straight set of book because he never hired a proper accountant for fear that someone would hand over the books to the government.   And after what has happened now, I would be shocked to learn that Republic went ahead to supply silver on the arm like he wished for.  Perhaps a few emails into Republic Metals will clarify that…  info@republicmetalscorp.com

7:01 “Encourage Chris to sit down like a gentleman and work things out.”  I entered into two mediations with two people we both respect and both times Rob would not make good on his past debts to me, before we even talked about any future possibilities.   All he was interested in is getting me further into debt to him and never making me whole.

I even offered twice to forgo all profits owed to me just to get my silver, dies and URL and end the insult to injury.  As a part of the mediation, I even offered to take down all postings and send a mass email to my 40,000 person email list and 36,000 person YouTube community stating that I no longer had any claims against Rob, if he returned what was mine.  Twice he rejected that generous offer.  Now I have a slam dunk case and will no longer negotiate.

7:35 Going forward is Chris continuing to get “his” (profits)?  Rob says only after I come back to the table and stop slamming him here, will I get what is owed.  Again, that was part of the mediation that once I was made whole I would take down all videos and articles related to this subject.  He seems to not grasp the concept of what came first and what needs to be done first.  He stole my money, silver and designs long before I did one article or video speaking the truth about him.  At this point it really does not matter, as the lawsuit will settle this.

7:55 Rob admits that I did my job “awesome” and that he is the one that failed.

8:05 Rob admits that when we first started they were sub contracting out the work to other mints.  This will be very important later on as he will try to claim like I owe him something for the risk he took in starting his mint.  I have no ownership or obligation to the Mulligan Mint or the investors that knowingly or unknowingly funded this operation.

“The mint they subcontracted to went out of business.”  What Rob fails to say is that mint was Old Glory Mint was involved in a $100 million PONZI SCHEME!

8:38 See the millions of dollars in facility.  The question is not if there is machinery or silver there, it is whose money is it and do they know that it is used for Rob Gray’s personal ventures.  Or how many investors bought into mint.  I must have talked to dozens of people that said Rob offered them 5% to 10% of the mint for as low as $80,000 to as high as $250,000.  I wonder how many took him up on that offer and if at the end of the day that number adds up to 100%?

9:21 On moving to Asia… He wants to have all of his “hot” technology shipped to Asia.  Earlier he said he was going to have his extrusion press across the street in Dallas, now he wants it in Asia?  I believe that he is just looking for another “investor” to fund that dream.  After all why build another mint in Asia just to ship silver strip half way around the world to do all of the work out here?  Especially when he can do it in Dallas and there are plenty of companies that would do it quicker here.  And I highly doubt that the “deal” with Republic Metals would have come through on that business model.  Or that the Dallas Mint will stay in business one day after a mint opens in Singapore.

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3:22 “We can do 150,000 ounces a month and want to get it up to 4 to 5 million.”  Is that why it took the Mulligan Mint months to deliver 92,000 ounces?  And whatever capacity he may have, they are certainly not going to sell that much.

“Solid distribution network” most of the retailers and customers I have spoken to would never go through the long wait times, shoddy production and awful customer service, ever again.

“Chris will be excited to see the world’s largest precious metals dealer will be carrying Freedom Girl.”  If Apmex does decide to carry Freedom Girl now, after they wisely sat on the sideline not willing to risk their reputation with an unproven Mulligan Mint, that would be the worst decision they make. 

First, they would now be involved in my lawsuit.  I am the copyright owner and Rob Gray and the Mulligan Mint do not have my permission to continue to use my designs, brand or trademarks.  I would be forced to include anyone that is profiting in this continued abuse of my copyrights.

Secondly, the customer base would let them know immediately what is really going on behind Rob’s slick pitch.  I don’t know what Rob told them, but there are thousands of people who have read my article from 2011 and the videos from 2012 and my continued publicity for my coins that know full well what is really going on.

I would be more than happy to Apmex to the other dealers who have already made their wise decision to shun this criminal behavior of stealing designs, money and silver.  This silver community is too small for this to last long.

I can also provide contacts with the multiple state and federal investigators that are looking into this matter.

You can let your voice be heard.

info@APMEX.com
purchasing@APMEX.com

5:02 About Chris’s “goals”.  Rob is constantly suggesting like I have some ulterior motive like starting another mint and that is my “real” reason for this breakup.   I just signed a production agreement with a ISO certified mint to produce the next in the Silver Bullet Silver Shield series.  I have NO investment in this decade old mint nor do I wish to.  I have no interest in any investment before the dollar collapse, other than silver.  My only REAL reason for this break up is exactly what I have been stating all along in this now 10,000 words article about walking away with what is owed.

Going forward, I will not even have my own retail operation to sell my silver.   This will be a huge boon to those that wisely decide which side they are on.  I will have SBSS Authorized Retailers with major online retailers to handle all retail sales.  Rob’s business model actually competes against the online retailers where the grand majority of the retail sales went through.  Knowing that Rob only has four more stolen designs of mine and I have 45+ designs coming with Heidi Wastweet and a proven ISO certified mint production,  I think the choice will be easy for any online retailer to make.

5:16 Rob confirms again the major failures he had on his end of the bargain.

6:39 Rob admits that Silver Bullet and Silver Shield was not his idea despite his statement that he is co-founder and displaying HIS famous Freedom Girl, Slave Queen and Debt and Death sculpts and dies.

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7:00 “He has asked us to destroy the dies and sculpts that are worth hundreds of thousands of dollars.”  No they are worth a few thousand and were part of the production process they failed to fulfill.  They are only worth more because of the value I created and I no longer want stolen from me.  I did not want those sculpts and dies to fall into the wrong hands besides Rob.  Now it is too late….

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Update to the update:  This has been removed off of the site. Geez even the Chinese took it down before Rob Gray and the Mulligan Mint.

7:41 “Chris has got some work to do to get back to the table.”  The only work I have to do is have my lawyer get what is mine.  Hopefully he wont flee Dallas like he did in Philadelphia.  I did not want the escrow, because I already offered to forgo all profits he owes me in return to turn over what is mine.

He keeps talking about continuing a partnership… by not only stealing from that partner, but then adding insult to injury to steal his designs and future profits.

9:18 “We never force anyone to do anything they don’t want to do.” This seconds after he says that I need to take him to court instead of rightfully handing over what is mine. Some voluntary relationship…

9:51 “Anything you try to build and growing something, there is always some out there trying to take it away from you like in this situation and it is a shame.” Almost as ironic as when he said that “There could be no fair competition between honest men and thieves.”

 

Update 26: The Skeletons Come Out Of The Closet

I believe Karma only works when people speak out.  God cannot do His works if people sit on their hands and wait.

This week I got extremely interesting email…

Dear Chris;

My name is Glenn A. Tener and have known Rob Gray for the last 15 years ever since I was a partner and investor in his technology businesses in the Philadelphia area 10 years ago.  He stole money from me and countless of others including friends, employees, investors, vendors and others.  I sued him in court and had a judgment on him and his companies for over $125,000! Below is an email that I sent him.  He is a true psychopath and has no regard for anybody but himself and will stop at nothing to get what he wants no matter who he hurts.  He definitely belongs in jail.  You can call me at 215.***.**** and I could tell you a lot of information about his dealings in Philadelphia that could help you.

Sincerely;
Glenn A. Tener

 

From: Glenn A. Tener [mailto:******@*******.net]
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 12:31 PM
To: ‘rgray@opencurrency.com’
Cc: ‘*******@yahoo.com’
Subject: FW: ROB GRAY DONE

Congratulations Rob!  You are still FUCKING people out of their money!  You are doing the same thing in Dallas that you did in Philadelphia 15 years ago!  LOL.  You idiot!  When are you going to learn!  Jail for you is certain and imminent.  I gave them my full cooperation and help of course (see the email and link below that was sent to me).  After knowing you for last 15 years you have not changed a bit.  You are still a LIAR, CHEATER, THIEF, AND CON ARTIST.

I will do you a favor and forward this email to all of your “friends”, former employees, investors/victims from Philadelphia that you stole money from.  I am sure they will be very happy for you.  Good luck in jail.

Your good friend
Glenn

 

From: Jack ****** [mailto:********@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 9:48 AM
To:******@*******.net
Subject: ROB GRAY DONE

This could be your chance to finally get him…..

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After my first conversation with Glenn, I was left aghast at the level of abuse at play here.   We are definitely dealing with someone that has a pattern of abuse that goes back to his earliest relationships.  This pattern continues over and over again with different faces and places without any regard of the damage done.  I have also had conversations since then that would leave even the most paid off shill will not willing to associate with Rob Gray.

If anyone has more information on Rob’s past in Philadelphia they can contact me at DTOMsola (at) Yahoo.com or feel free to publish yourself in the comment section below.  There are a great many parties highly interested in this information that would establish a pattern of abuse long established before I ever got in contact with Rob Gray.  This information can be kept confidential or public, used in pending litigation and/or forwarded to investigators.

Now that I am done trying to mediate with this guy, I will use any information to make sure justice is done this time.

 Update 27: Seriously?!

The latest failure to come from the Mulligan Mint is Bix Weir’s coin. 

This looks like a Charlie Brown character loving the Fed and the US Government.

Bix, there are no benevolent bankers and there are no good guys coming to save us…

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Screen Shot 2013-05-21 at 12.36.21 PMUpdate 28: The Skeletons Speak Out

Earlier in Update 26, I got an email from Glenn Tener about Rob’s dark past in Philadelphia.  I have been speaking to so many people from there, that I really don’t know where to begin.  I can tell you that I have heard some stories that left me aghast and at a loss for words.  Rest assured, I am positive that ALL of my suspicious are now totally justified.  I don’t plan on releasing all of the information I have, because most people have already made up their minds.  I will be using the majority of  information in any cases that arise out of this drama.  (If anyone has any more information about Rob Gray’s dark past, please email me at DTOMsola (at) yahoo.com.  You can also post anonymously in the comment section below.)

Here are the public records that were forwarded to me.  Please understand that this only represents a small portion of what happened there.  Most victims I spoke to chose to turn the other cheek and move on.  Others sought justice outside the law.  Glenn and the parties below, did not.  Like myself, Glenn went after this out of a sense for justice and not just to get money.  Glenn was not ultimately able to collect on any judgements he was awarded, because Rob declared bankruptcy when he fled to Texas.

Rob Gray has moved through the technology, water ionizer, hypnosis and now the metals industries with all the same complaints.  The faces and places my change, but the racketeering is all the same.

Racketeering Particularly, the potential problem may be caused by the same party that offers to solve it, although that fact may be concealed, with the specific intent to engender continual patronage for this party.  Anytime money is owed, there is always the promise of a greater payback if they can just continue the relationship.  This is why Rob wanted me to sign on for the next 4 coin launches that he stole  from me and THEN he promised to pay.  Twice, I even offered to forgo ALL money owed to me just to make a clean break.  Now I see that this pattern is well established.  One former victim said that he was amazed to see that I refused to play along with Rob’s pattern and that gave him confidence to speak out now.  He felt so guilty for having being taken in this matter and all of the warning signs he ignored.  He said that he wishes that he was more aggressive in pursuing Rob so that others would have been spared.

The Modus Operendi is always the same and in the end the victims get “nothing”.  (Hmmm sounds familiar…)

Please take time to read the complaints and you make your decision.

Listen to all.

Follow none.

(Side note: It is still amazing to me that the first day I met Rob Gray, we were in Congress…)

Entities

Entity Details – SILICON EAST

Entity Details – PMP TECHNOLOGIES (The inside joke was that it was short for pimp.)

Entity Details – AIRBORN DATA

Complaints

TENER COMPLAINT–  Credit Cards, Corvettes, $800 a night Hotels, Town House Furniture, Promised Percentages of Businesses, etc.

BRANDYWINE COMPLAINT– Unpaid Rent and Taxes

DATALINK COMPLAINT– Vendor Lawsuit

SELECT BUSINESS SYSTEMS COMPLAINT – Failure to Pay Loan

McCALLION STAFFING COMPLAINT -Failure to Pay Staffing

Cases

Caption Plaintiff
TENER, GLENN A
Caption Defendant
SILICON EAST CONSULTING LLC
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Caption Plaintiff
HIGH SCHWARTZ ROBERTS ETAL LLP
Caption Defendant
GRAY, ROBERT
(Rob even screwed his attorney out of money here!)
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Caption Plaintiff
PENNA DEPT OF REV
Caption Defendant
SILICON E CONSULT LLC
http://webapp.montcopa.org/PSI/Viewer/Detail.aspx?oq=aWQ9MjAwMDEzNDY0JmVudGl0eT1DYXNl

Caption Plaintiff
BRANDYWINE OPERAT PARTSP LP
Caption Defendant
SILICON EAST COAST CONSULT LLC
http://webapp.montcopa.org/PSI/Viewer/Detail.aspx?oq=aWQ9MjAwMjA5NDQ5JmVudGl0eT1DYXNl

Caption Plaintiff
PENNA UNEMP COMP FUND
Caption Defendant
SILICON EAST CONSULTING LLC
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Caption Plaintiff
DATALINK ASSOC
Caption Defendant
SILICON EAST CONSULTING LLC
http://webapp.montcopa.org/PSI/Viewer/Detail.aspx?oq=aWQ9MjAwMTI1MDI4JmVudGl0eT1DYXNl
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Caption Plaintiff
PENNA UNEMP COMP FUND
Caption Defendant
SILICON EAST CONSULTING LLC
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Update 29- You CANNOT Make This Stuff Up!

Here is the first of three videos I got of Rob Gray doing hypnotism.  This is a News 11 Dallas station investigating Rob Gray.  He studied neuro linguistic programming (NLP) to manipulate people for a living.  Watch the self proclaimed “mind mechanic” at work.

“Feel. Don’t think.” – Rob “The Mind Mechanic” Gray

Update 30: The Further Insult to Injury.

As if stealing my money and my Slave Queen and Freedom Girl was not enough, as predicted, they are going to steal AG 47 and Cannabis.

You don’t have to wait to see it or buy it from them. 

I will be releasing the updated designs they DON’T HAVE in June.

Here is what they have illegally coming out.

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bernard_silver_summitbUpdate 31- Bernard von NotHaus of Liberty Dollar says Rob Gray , “Stole my life’s work!”

(I found this article from Bernard von NotHaus and his description of a young, broke Rob Gray that sought to take his idea for his own.  Do we start to see a pattern here.  He is a parasite.)

I take no pleasure in disclosing this sordid story. But the time has come to tell the real facts that define the differences between the American Liberty Dollar (ALD) and the American Open Currency Standard (AOCS).

In the March 7, 2012 issue of “Director’s Update!” by AOCS Director Rob Gray contains the usual ra-ra and announces “proud to announce that we’re back on track” without ever noting why they were off track and concludes by encouraging everyone “to join us in our mission to restore honest trade.”

“Restore honest trade”? Honesty, particularly in the field of “honest money” is so important, let’s start at the beginning.

To the best of my memory, some time in 2007 Gray started calling me about being a part of the Liberty Dollar. Somehow he had heard about the new gold and silver currency and was all fired up to become a RCO. No… he wanted to be the best RCO… he wanted to be the SUPER RCO… he wanted to become the National Currency Director and take my place when I retired in 2008. Unfortunately, he didn’t even have the money to be a RCO. As he tried his best to talk his way into the Liberty Dollar organization, he explained that his hypnotism business was failing, he had a wife and two children and needed a new way to make money.

Gray met me on three occasions while I was on tour, always the nice energetic young man with a lot of salesmanship, trying to find a way to participate without any money. Finally he sprang for the $100 starter kit and eventually Gray somehow became a RCO in Texas. He quickly threw himself into the Liberty Dollar with the expressed goal of taking my position when I retired. He and his wife and two children even drove from Dallas to Los Angeles for my retirement.

But for all his words, salesmanship and well intending goals to be the SUPER RCO, Gray’s performance didn’t match the other RCO’s successes. Undaunted, Gray pushed to be my successor and the National Currency Director. Unfortunately for Gray, he lacked any support within the Liberty Dollar organization. Every leader must have the support and hopefully the loyalty of the organization. In fact, everybody was opposed to Gray.

Ultimately, I named Dan Priest, a RCO in California, to be the new Executive Director of the Liberty Dollar because as a former executive with Microsoft and appeared to be better qualified. Unfortunately, Priest quickly showed he had oversold his abilities and beset with family problems at home, he quickly self-destructed.

Meanwhile, Gray would not be deterred. If he could not be the National Currency Director of the Liberty Dollar, second best would be a competitor and he created the American Open Currency Standard. Initially, Gray praised my work and acknowledged me for introducing private currency to him. As he put it, “Bernard energized my passion for honest money.” But he soon found it more advantageous business wise to bash me that ultimately materialized in his April 15 article Liberty Dollar’s arrogance ends in federal ‘guilty’ verdict that was the only negative article about my conviction, not issued by the government. As Gray states in his subtitle, “A title like that requires a LOT of explanation and background. [INDEED!]

The irony of this tragedy is that if I had appointed Gray as the Executive Director of the Liberty Dollar organization, he would certainly had been more successful than Dan Priest, and would have been arrested with me.

Although that article is a low point of Gray’s attitude about the Liberty Dollar, it did not stop Gray from flat out lying. In an era of dishonest government money and Liberty Dollar’s quest to re-establish honest sound money, I find it appalling that at the end of Gray’s latest “Update” of March 7, 2012, under Featured Articles, he features an article on “Face Value” and states: “I invite you to take a moment and read our latest AOCS article update for an in-depth overview of the AOCS Face Value, why it exists, and the formulas we developed to set the suggested exchange rate between AOCS Approved Currencies and fiat currencies.

Rob Gray did not develop those formulas. He did not even write the text in that “Face Value” article. He copied my text and my currency formulas that I developed over 24 years of research and development from 1974 to 1998 when I introduced the Liberty Dollar – the world’s first private, 100% value based, market driven currency designed to move with the metals market. He stole my life’s work. And to make matters worse, in another article he has the audacity to state, “As I wrap up this article (regarding the Liberty Dollar) and evaluate if it reached its goal, I contemplate whether it’s best to stay quiet or to point out what I consider to be valuable insight to help frame what’s really at stake in the case of the Liberty Dollar. In the freedom movement… I do not believe deception or lying is a valid method to bring people to the truth.”

Well I certainly agree that deception or lying is not a valid method to bring people to the truth. And that is doubly true in the honest money movement. I don’t trust anybody who lies to me. And neither should you. The Liberty Dollar has proven itself to be an honest currency.

Editor Note: My work has been documented in countless articles, 162 monthly newsletters from October 1998 and Chapter 48 of my 2003 book: The Liberty Dollar Solution to the Federal Reserve that details the move up from the $10 Silver Base to the $20 Silver Base. For historically purposes to set the record straight: Please note the 2006 edition of the Liberty Dollar model currency schedule is HERE. Gold Schedule of Bases and Move Up Points is HERE. Silver Schedule of Bases and Move Up Points is HERE.

Contrary to Gray lies, I fully support many other activist efforts who use the formulas that I developed. Four noteworthy efforts are: Joshua Deatherage’s Community Currency in central Missouri, Peter Affolter’s Aspen Dollar, Dave Gillie’s Ron Paul Silvers and Ron Helwig’s Shire Silver that is featured in Article 8 below.

Update 32: Why Silver Willie Quit The Mulligan Mint

By Silver Shield, on June 10th, 2013

First the Sales Director of the Mulligan Mint, Gus Demos leaves, then me, then Director of Customer Service, Laura Curry, now Silver Willie himself leaves…

Hear Will Lehr’s behind the scenes look at the drama with Silver Bullet Silver Shield and the Mulligan Mint and why he quit last Wednesday.

I will be . . . → Read More: Why Silver Willie Quit The Mulligan Mint: Update 4

Update 33: Bernard von NotHaus Speaks Out

By Silver Shield, on June 12th, 2013

bernard_silver_summitbBy: Bernard non NotHaus

Admittedly the story of Rob Gray, his brother David, the American Open Currency Standard (AOCS) and the Mulligan Mint et al the entities is a long, sorry tale. And as it is the duty of all participants in a self regulated industry such as “private minting” to protect their industry from fraud, I sound this alarm and encourage everyone involved with any of the entities listed below to take prudent action to protect their interest and their money:

Free Lakota Bank, AOCS (American Open Currency Standard), Mulligan Mint, SLV Properties (Silver Properties), AG Logistics (Silver Logistics), Coins for the Cause, Silver Bullet Silver Shield (owned by Chris Duane but claimed by Rob Gray), TSP Mint (The Survival Podcast Mint), AOCS Mint, Open Currency, Lakota Exchange, AG Trading post, ICBA: (International Commodity Banking Association) that does not exist. Need another name to keep the ponzi running? Just create another entity or a new organization like the ICBA.
Continue reading Crooked Minter Tarnishing Private Silver Reputation?

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Nope… NO SILVER HERE!

Update 34: Missing 40,000 Ounces of Silver From Surprise Audit of Republic Metal’s Silver At The Mulligan Mint?

Details are still coming in, but it has been confirmed by three sources that last week there was a surprise audit by Republic Metals at the Mulligan Mint that has shown 40,000 ounces of silver is missing!

Here are the confirmed details…

Rob was summoned to Miami last week to the Republic Metals headquarters.  Once he arrived he was escorted by two security personnel into an office for the next 7 hours.

Meanwhile in Dallas… a team of auditors and security personnel entered the Mulligan Mint.  All employees were sent home leaving David Gray alone to account for the tens of thousands of ounces of silver owned by Republic.

I have to admit, I love how Republic rolls…   Separating the criminal mastermind from the naive brother that is on the personal hook for all of this fraud, was just classic!

The end of the audit was originally reported to be missing 20,000 ounces, but now is estimated to be 40,000 ounces of silver!

The Gray Brothers now have 60 days to come up with the missing silver. 

Knowing that Rob is going to Freedom Fest today in Las Vegas, I guarantee he is going to be looking for “investors” to bail him out of this mess.

If you are at Freedom Fest, be sure to ask Rob how things are going? 😉

While I am not shocked by this fraud, given the fact since I have had over $500,000 stolen from me, I am sure a lot of people who took Rob’s side are shocked.   😉

The biggest fraud yet to be exposed is the 5 year old Rob Gray owned Free Lakota Bank and the estimated $2 million in silver deposits…

 Update 35: The Mulligan Mint Is DEAD!

$500,000 in missing profits, 71,473 ounces in missing silver, 3 Months, 2 Lawsuits, 1 DEAD Mint.

http://youtu.be/DYMj74OcrUU

 

940 comments to Update 35: I Have Severed ALL Ties With Rob Gray and Mulligan Mint

  • CAJUN

    FREE LAKOTA BANK- I think that it is a big SCAM!
    I have filed complains with the ATG of TX,OK,and SD.
    This guy “Rob Gray” must be slicker than owl shit!
    We will see?

  • JP

    I always say there are three sides to every story, so I will leave Chris and Rob’s differences aside and tell you my story:

    Bought two Feb orders thru SBSS. Was fulfilled for first order last week – both FG and Slave Queens (beautiful coins) to which I have previously commented. Although delayed, I was not really worried abt delivery of the second order as I had received the 1st and hey silver has gotten crushed as of late…no reason not to ship. Had silver gone to $50 I would have been worried! But then Chris sent out his “Severed Ties” note, which got me ‘severely’ worried as my transaction was done thru his website and Chris was seemingly relieving himself of any responsibility.

    SO I WENT TO THE MINT

    I am in the steel business so I have been to the largest steelworks in the world to the smallest fabricators. I have also been reneged on deliveries and screwed by customers. So when you have a problem in the steel business- you go check it out.
    There were abt 5-6 people working on computers inside a locked front door (I would have assumed some type of security…). One of the women opened the door nervously to which I showed her my order and first she said they only deliver..etc..etc but she went back to check and see what she could do. At the same time, Rob Gray came up the steps to enter the facility and he introduced himself.
    As Chris has said Rob is a very affable, charming guy and within a minute he was giving me a tour of the plant. He said it was a rough couple days with the blogosphere blowing up and gave me his side of the story (which was not very important for me) but he did say he hopes to work again with Chris (also not important to me). I really just wanted my silver as I had a lunch planned with a client. It was a nice tour and conversation in any case.
    There were approx 20 people working in the plant w another 10 back-office shipping employees. Employees were all very busy. They were producing FG while I was there (to pick up SQ) along with another design for a dealer. They were pressing coins from blanks. Rob explained the process (very similar to a steel processor), nothing difficult but obviously very good, clean $ machinery is required, to get a nice coin from a scratchy blank.
    The Caster was not operating (thus the delays) so basically a nice cost-plus tolling operation at this point; i.e. it costs $2 to coin and ship from blanks and we charge $3.
    This is a real business with obviously a few million dollars invested plus a payroll/families to support – my hats off to anyone opening a new business and hiring people. (On a side note: come to Texas! We love Manufacturing here, taxes and cost of living are lower and people are very friendly).
    Rob introduced me to a few of the employees and after the tour gave me my Slave Queens (quality appeared goo. I actually made sure they put order as fulfilled in the system so they didn’t mistakenly ship them again (which apparently they have in the past). Again, this is a startup.
    So it was clear both Chris and Mulligan were telling the truth in that there has been overwhelming demand for investment coins. This startup was simply not ready for the volume, shipping in small-increments, and with the Caster down, unable to melt thus reliant on other suppliers for blanks. Looks like it will be good operation with time and shipping to larger dealers/not individual customers yet…as we have all suffered delays.

    LONG STORY SHORT

    DO NOT WORRY – they will ship – although this is a decent learning experience – as I really just bought the SBSS coins because I liked the mojo here and the designs.
    Having visited the facility, seen the employees at work and the shipping dept etc this is a real business albeit getting off it’s feet.
    Hopefully Chris will allow this post to go through. He emailed me directly a couple times and I told him I went to the mint and got the SQ’s.
    *I also asked for a Slave Queen Poster – joking all the SBSS stuff will probably be on the curb tomorrow – so Rob gave me one of the CD signed ones #43/100!
    Unfortunately, I think the value of the coins and the poster have both gone down last couple days with the childish rants.

    JP

    • Mike

      So you had to go directly to the mint to get the rounds owed to you?
      Funny how you say that they were minting FGs considering Privident is due to get an order of them next week. WTF!
      Orders are being shipped to retailers before outstanding orders are taken care of. Smaller orders are being filled before larger ones!
      This company is ridiculous!
      As stated in my last post, they have until next Friday to give me my damn money or my rounds…after that, they can deal with the legal route I take.

    • Jeremy

      JP, thanks for the great detailed post – very informative! As you say, 3+ sides to some stories :)

    • Bob B

      Thanks for this post. I am glad to see that at least someone is professional. Thanks again….

  • jay

    Chris, it is better to have tried then to have never undertaken such an audacious endeavor. Think of what you have accomplished, not what could have been.

    You approached the partnership with the best of intentions and there is nothing you could have done differently, since it appears this may be fraud on Rob’s part.

    As a customer, I thought it was pretty clear since the beginning that you were only the coin designer and marketer, and Rob owned the mint and was the seller. If people were confused then they weren’t paying attention. It is very sad that there is potential that some may not get their metal. I just got my February order this week. I hope Rob completes all orders, returns your metal, and stops this nonsense. I hope you also get your dies and are able to team up with another partner. We believe in you and your fine character.

    Why don’t you come to Michigan for my forum with Andy H. and Andy S.? Will be a great way to forget this situation.

  • Brian L.

    When the time comes and the relationship between value and price find truth in the new paradigm there will be no numismatic value in any of this crap. Buy silver for as close to spot as possible and let the big boys do their thing. In nature there are no hierarchical systems. Nature is Self organizing. There are no leaders. That is what we need to go back to as humans.

    • Danny Higgins

      I couldn’t agree more Brian. In wrol or shtf I could care less how purty your coin is or when or where it’s from as long as I know it’s precious metal value. If I’m willing to sell you something for precious metal I’m not going to give you any extra just because it has “Liberty before death” or Lady Liberty on it. If anything I will prefer American “junk silver” as I know it’s value and it’s next to impossible to counterfeit.

      • mike

        I care and am not going to accept just any crap..Worn out old coins etc. I’ll take maples only as payment or any RCM stuff and Fiji takus. Everything else is suspect. No rounds bars or junk for me:0)

      • SillyMe

        Please explain how the common po’boy is going to be able to assay junk silver. I would only accept major mint coins in a barter situation. hard to counterfeit and the gov’t has the dies…not someone whose motives and actions are unclear. Reminds me of buying some sterling silver jewelry in Mexico (85) when silver was only around $6 troy oz. And half were silver plated brass.

      • eric

        Ok, in a SHTF scenario, yea, junk will be best. however, I love these coins, especially debt and death. Do you really think that no coins will have numismatic value? I highly doubt it. I love the idea of educating using these coins. And when people’s paradigm shifts from paper to real assets, people will see these coins as numismatic, historic even. if you’re ONLY concerned about a SHTF, you better be getting food, guns, and ammo. You can forget gold and silver.
        AFTER a shtf scenario, as society comes together, people will appreciate the art on these. Just like people like paintings, but they have the hard asset qualities also. Just like people pay more for those Year of the Snake coins now, they will pay more for these coins, that warned us of the shtf in the first place.

    • william hale

      a very astute observation

    • Antonio

      I totally agree Brian. I didn’t buy the coins fro Silver Shield. I had a bad feeling about the situation nd behold!! My beef is all this investigation about Mr. Gray now after the fact. It reminds me of a scene from Casino. ” Either your to incompetent or you were in on it. Either way I can’t have you working here”. CLASSIC!

    • Channel DuddyZz

      Hay Chris, we finally got our first order of 4, slight boxing around the edges, all and all happy I got my hands on a couple. We ordered are first order the 26 of march and did not order from the mulligan mint, they cam the 21st of April, 2 slave queens and two freedom girls. Groundbreaking design brother! First of all I just want to say thank you so much for the Videos they very much helped me “Wake up” so to speak” Silver Bullet Silver Shield baby! Love the idea, Silver has changed my life, in so many ways! Keep speaking the truth, and watch out for snakes in the grass my friend.
      P.S. I started a YouTube channel about Silver and some other stuff, my last video was the unboxing of your design.

  • PdBallerina

    Chris, I hope your wife and yet to be born little one are doing ok with all this stress…don’t forget to give her extra hugs.

  • ss silver

    chris, i had laid this in your lap more than once, when i sent you the message thru ssg page telling you that silver willy or as i say silver DICK HEAD!!! told me strait up that they sold 600 members coins to one person???? why was it not corrected?? MONEY thats why!!! just like when i told you that provident would accept an order for 10,000 freedom girls, and you replied NOW ITS MY JOB TO BABYSIT PROVIDENT METAL??? listen i wish you well my freind and dont want to rub it in your face but we all was telling you what you not are addmitting to finding out, just listen to what your customers say dude, i said it in the email i sent you, customer service IS YOUR BACK BONE brother, i feel in my heart that you owe alot of people an apologie, because when we tried to open your eyes you shut us out. but no matter what i got your back ok

    • Silver Shield

      What can I say you were right. I told them to shut down all sales and I got lied to plain and simple.
      I was also in a position where 92,000 oz were owed to customers and that need to be taken care of.
      I really had hoped that they would have made better choices and been more honest but that was not the case.

    • Jerry Barnes

      I had issues with every order i made and brought it to Chris’ attention, but i was told to be patient. I didnt agree with newer designs being promoted and sold when orders for previous designs had not yet been filled and i thought this was causing some of the delays. They both, Chris and the mint, had too much on their plate and were trying to do too much at one time to be efficient. I told Chris a few months ago, i completely agree with the message these coins bring, but i can not wait 2-3 months on an order. I have stopped buying from him and do not see myself ordering any more of his rounds simply because of the lack of customer service. I hate to see someone who is trying to do things for the better good of the people being screwed over the way he is, but i believe he could have done something different to prevent all the mess that has been created. I wish you lock Chris, and i will be watchin to see how things go with this venture, i hope you can get it straightened out because people need someone like you bringing the message of truth to them. I also want to thank you for all you have done for me through these messages, i have learned alot from your videos and i am using that knowledge to get myself prepared for what is to come.

  • Aaron Woodall

    Chris,

    For what it is worth to you and the rest of the customers, I did receive both my orders. I ordered 30 Freedom Girls on both 2/14 and 2/20. I received the 2/20 order about 10 days ago. I received the 2/14 order yesterday.

  • Chad

    I’ve read everything from both sides here. What matters most is everyone gets their rounds and, then and only then, the dies are destroyed forever. I don’t want Mulligan, Rob, Chris, or anyone else to have the proof dies. They must be destroyed. Chris should not demand the dies before production is complete. I doubt he has legal right to them anyway. Somehow, everyone in the hobby, must know the dies are forever destroyed though so our collections retain their value. I also hope Chris and some other mint continues this beautiful series. It brings joy to many of us collectors.

    • Silver Shield

      There should be no doubt about the dies being destroyed and I will be pursuing that aggressively.

  • erace

    At first I thought that you have overreacted but now I sure can understand. You were “the face” of the whole initiative and it is the trust that people have put into you that is at stake. Not some medallions. Hopefully you will find some other more professional mint and possibly some investors. If you will need help I am sure community, including me, would be ready to donate a couple of eagles. All the best!

    • Silver Shield

      To have someone look at you in the face and tell you you are getting “nothing” I am surprised I did not do something terrible.

      • MATT

        you did what your instinct said..I have been in a very similar situation ..and to walk away ALWAYS takes a much stronger man..To give in and behave like the aggressor is to sink to their level..I applaude you Chris..and as you can plainly see..Most here support you so it shouldn’t be a problem to get up and running and finish the race..;)

      • Dan Foresman

        It’s always the same at the bottom of the pool, your ears are ringing and you swear off chlorine. This is where the Test BEGINS. Hope you ain’t burned out. I will probably have to pay for this comment, but, then again, life in the crosshairs in a rifle factory is safer than you might guess when you first walk in.

  • Josh

    From now on , only paypal .
    That’s the only way to ensure refund .

    Il’l kill the robber if need to …

  • Apeman

    Chris,

    I thank you for giving us the update, and not just dissapearing. I am glad to hear that you will be making some changes. I have been to the Mulligan Mint as I work around the corner. My first impression was not good. But that does not matter now.

    I hope that you and your family get this squared away. For someone who is spiritual, I can tell you that this is only a Major distraction to get you off course my friend. Keep up the hard work, and thanks for revealing information.

    I live in Plano, TX and I dont like what Rob Gray has done with your business and your name. All we can do from here is learn from our mistakes. I still will support you and your cause because no matter what has happened, if it wasnt for your time and videos I wouldnt have my eyes opened.

    Apeman

    • Silver Shield

      “There can be no fair competition between honest men and thieves.” – Rob Gray in Ron Paul Congressional Testimony

      • Ryan

        Rob seemed uncomfortable saying that line, more than any other line in the testimony, too, having stuttered a little, the pace of his speaking slowed and his eyebrows were twitching because he was a thief calling out thieves.

        • Silver Shield

          That line I am sure is going to be used in some TV movie about all that I know about this.

    • Bradford

      I’m an “interested observer”, just curious and learning, really, BUT…
      Reading your post, and since you live in Plano,TX, may I suggest you get a good video camera, and make some “real-time”, “on-site” videos, and post them, or links to them…*Documentation*…Suppose you go to that “Mint”, and try to get some neutral, unbiased, “news-reporting”-type videos…What kind of reception would you get? You state that a quick “look-around” doesn’t look good to you…OK, great, but could you do a huge favor to EVERYBODY HONEST, by filming that?…Just trying to be helpful here, and thanks for listening…

      • Apeman

        Bradford,

        I here what you are asking, at the time when I showed up at the mint, I had posted several comments to a few of my friends in the Silver You Tube community.

        Since Chris has severed all ties, I dont think there is a need to focus on Mulligan Mint. Rob Gray is not worth one second of my time.

        I did my part by informing a few friends. Not everybody believes everybody. Plus I didnt want to post something that could cause issues and therefore I would be liable.

        I have been to the mint to pick up my coins. What I could say that made me no longer wanting to do business with the mint was this. They couldnt even go to Home Depot and spend $10 on Number Signs. Instead they took paint and paiting the numbers (address) on there building. If you watch the video that Rob Gray did with the Ionizers, it is the same thing. Couldnt go to Home Depot for $.99 and buy a cover to the Outlet on the wall. Check this out. It is all about the Details, in my opinion.

        They had No video camers and 1 girl made a comment while I was waiting “Money, Money, Money”. She was singing that to herself while walking past me. On there front door, you could see it looks like a couple of Bullet Shots or Dings in the Glass.

        I knew that Mulligan Mint was new, so I would give them a chance but not buy any coins. Now that Chris has informed us that he has severed ties, there is nothing else to do but wait for Chris to find a New Mint and the Next Releases however long that may take.

        Thanks

  • Joe Adamian

    I finally got the few Triviums I ordered yesterday after 105 days! I tried to cancel the order but was not allowed and they kept using different check numbers of mine for different orders which threw off my accounting. I’ll consider my self lucky and will not be doing business again with them. 105 days for an order that I was quoted approximately 3 weeks. I think they ruined a good deal. Without Chris designs and viewers the business will dry up. Return customers are important in business.

    • Silver Shield

      Even if I was foolish enough to stay with them I am sure many of you had already made up your mind based off of the poor customer service, shoddy quality and unacceptable wait time that no one would go through that again.

  • SILVERDUDE

    I’ve been on board from the beginning of D&D coin, have received all of them except Special BU Proof Slave Queen. My gut told me things were getting sketchy around Slave Queen launch. AOCS moved into new warehouse, which was odd because I was under impression AOCS was an established mint. When I found out that the big bullion dealers were selling SBSS coins, that was puzzling also. I never remember that mentioned in the beginning of the launch, just that they were available through SBSS & AOCS/Mulligan Mint. Also when Willy started sending out videos of the supposed progress from inside the mint, the workers looked to me like college kids and not professionals(hint: quality & quality control my opinion). I did have quality control issues with my Slave Queen BU’s, it took awhile & alot of effort & patience but was made right. As far as customer service for me, was B+ grading. The customer service girls did their best for my situation under the circumstances & I even spoke to Willy personally over the phone, he was cool with me. The only other issues I have was the Proof Slave Queen & Freedom Girl early release cert. of auth. numbers which folks who ordered early were suppose to receive. I personally stayed up late to order all the proofs at Johnny On The Spot Midnight to get low mint numbers, that was a big waste of sleep time. The Freedom Girl Proof die has a scratch underneath the nose area, all mine have it, assuming when the die first started pressing, it wasn’t scratched. Praying that I get my Special BU Proof S.Q’s, but not holding my breath. Hey Chris, keep the faith man, God works in weird ways sometimes, what doesn’t kill you only makes you stronger. I want to keep buying your coins. I like that Silvertowne idea that some folks were recommending, I’ve purchased several times from them, quality is good & they seem to be pretty cool. God Bless you Chris & everybody who has been apart of this.

    • Silver Shield

      Yeah that was a cute bait and switch Rob pulled saying he had a mint but then after Old Glory failed Rob went off and bought a hydrolic press that does 5 coins per minute.
      One would think that if you say you own a mint it should have at least a press.

  • SpyderTL

    I tried to tell you guys to hold off on making any rash judgements or decisions until Rob is given the opportunity to do the right thing and hand over what is owed. IF (!) he does prove to be at least man enough to give Chris his silver back, I think that everyone on this site that assumed that Rob was a thief owes him an apology, although I doubt that will happen.

    And we all know that there is a massive shortage of silver at the moment. To blame Rob for not meeting a deadline during a shortage is unreasonable. Trying and failing is not the same as not trying. Does anyone not think that Rob genuinely tried to make those delivery dates?

    We’ll see what actually happens, but you guys are going to feel pretty silly if all of this turns out to be a minor disagreement that got blown way out of proportion. It looks to me like everyone of Rob’s customers have received what they’ve paid for, even if they did have to wait a few weeks longer than expected.

    That just leaves Chris who is still waiting for his silver, and whatever other creditors that are waiting to be paid, which is Rob’s problem.

    If any SBSS customers feel like they were truly ripped off, I’d be interested to hear about it, because so far, I’m only seeing happy customers that got what they ordered, like me. Comment if you had a particularly bad experience. (Other than just delayed shipment, of course.)

    • Steve Stevenson

      I am still waiting on my order placed in February. Meanwhile, I see more and more “dealers” popping up with the same coins I am waiting on. Every time I call the mint, it’s always the same response of “next week”. I hope to receive my order, but until I have it in my hands, I’ll remain skeptical.

    • Silver Shield

      What’s to wait for? He told me to my face, the guy that brought all of his business, that I would get “nothing”.
      The die was cast then.

      • SpyderTL

        And what did you tell him to his face before that? I imagine that he was pretty pissed that you were pulling the plug on the whole operation after he had spent the past 6 months buying equipment and hiring staff in order to handle the demand that he was promised for the next 30 coin designs that he was expecting. I also imagine that he (or the mint) probably borrowed an idiotic amount of money to be able to afford all of that equipment and staff, based on what you promised him.

        Choosing a small mint to produce the SBSS coins was your mistake. Agreeing to produce more coins than they could handle was Rob’s mistake, although there are numerous YouTube videos where Rob admits that the demand was much higher than he (or you) had expected. For both you and Rob, for your over-enthusiastic plan, and your lack of foresight, you have both failed.

        But, as far as failures go, this has been an amazingly successful one. You should probably think about the fact that you are actually shutting down the whole operation because you have SOLD TOO MANY SILVER COINS!

        All you would have to do to resolve this situation is limit the number of coins sold to a reasonable number. Something that you and Rob were comfortable that you could produce. And the end result would be even more unique and precious.

        I think there have been plenty of mistakes made by everyone involved, but regardless of what happens now, just keep in mind that because of you and Rob working together, there are thousands of happy customers out there whose lives are just a little bit better, and whose children will inherit a respect for true wealth that their parents never had.

        • ShadowLight2012

          There is a wise message in your response. Unless there is more that we are not being told, all is not lost. Interesting thought indeed, “as far as failures go, this has been an amazingly successful one”. Very true.

    • Mike

      I placed an order at the beginning of Feb for 5 tubes of SQs. They have yet to send my rounds. Next Wed. marks week 10 that I have waited…10 effing weeks.
      Why are they shipping SBSS rounds next week to retailers when the SBSS backlog isn’t cleared?
      Why did they relaunch the TSP rounds when the SBSS backlog isn’t cleared?
      Why have people that ordered after me already received their rounds?
      Why are they delivering Morgan, Mercury, Capped Bust, ect. rounds to Provident next week when SBSS backlog isn’t cleared?
      I have been duped by this company. Plain and simple.
      They have till the end of next week to make their shit right with me.
      I AM DONE playing their little games.
      I have numbers to the BBB, the Texas Attorney General, the Federal Trade Commission, Farmers Branch local PD, Farmers Banch Code of Enforcement (Business License issuers), the Farmers Branch local media, hell, I even have the number for the DOJ so they can be reported under Mass-Marketing Schemes.
      I may even report them to OSHA after watching the vids they posted online.
      And yes, I am a VERY VINDICTIVE person. Waiting 10 weeks will fail in comparison to the amount of time I am willing to invest in prosecuting these scam artists.

      • Silver Shield

        So many ways to skin this cat…
        I suggest leaderless resistance and people choose whatever they think is te best bang for the energy.
        One place I started with it the Texas Attorney General link I posted on update 3.

      • intothevoid

        i agree on your view of OSHA.

        having background in the steel industry, i saw what i would consider a ton of safety violations during their videos.

        OHSA don’t play and will shut shit down in a moment’s notice of a severe violation.

  • MDP

    At the end of the day I have eventually received my orders, however like many of you I also experienced unreasonable wait times, unanswered emails, and some emails that did get answered did not do much. I always had to follow up with a phone call and getting CFTC, Mulligan Mint, Shop Silver Bear Cafe, what ever brand name with the same phone number good luck getting a living person to speak to half the time.
    Gave this company much benefit of the doubt, because of Chris Duane’s The Son’s of Liberty Academy videos, and the growing pains to actually produce the extremely popular SBSS product. We are approaching May now and something more than just production issues and having customer service telling folks next week, next week is happening. Obviously now that everything SBSS has come to a screeching halt. I still have one more outstanding Silver order with Shop Silver Bear Cafe. Will I get it in a timely manner or in the mints usual seemingly forever waiting mode, this was my first order with them just this last Monday morning 04/15/2013. One more, thing they must have given all the low numbered proof certificates to the big buyer or kept the low numbers for themselves. This is one of my unanswered questions to customer services, this out of everything else gone wrong here angers me. Instead of them honoring your position in the ordering queue they seem to send you what ever number they want. So just a worthless sales gimmick??? With that said I would like to see the SBSS line come back but only by it’s real owner, and that would be C.D. to the best of my knowledge.

    • Silver Shield

      You would think that I would have been taken care of better than anybody else? I was late in payment and had to beg for updates. I have very high numbers and suspect the lower numbers went to employees or coconspirators. I also found out that there are mistrikes a that these guys purposely made for their own piggy bank.

      • Ryan

        when the cat is away in another state, the RATS will play and put all the cat’s money into their piggy banks.

    • PdBallerina

      I have a question about the dies…don’t they wear out over time, or is there a way Rob can produce copies?

  • intothevoid

    does anybody know how many SSR members, if any, worked at the mint?

    • intothevoid

      or any DTOM readers for that matter?

    • Silver Shield

      Two that I know of…

      • intothevoid

        per beth’s quote:

        Beth
        April 18, 2013 at 9:37 pm • Reply
        Chris, I have been following you for some time and when I saw the youtube video when debt and death came out, they were appealing for help there at the mint. I was ecstatic. Your message has always resonated with me, I wanted to help. I am a couple hours away from the Dallas mint, but I interviewed and told them I was so excited to be a part of the operation, I’d be willing to volunteer for it. I drove to Dallas on every day off I had to work there until after a couple weeks, they “didn’t have a place for me” and kept shining me on, even though orders were backlogged. I didn’t understand it and was really bummed. I EVENTUALLY got all my orders in the mail and am very happy with them. I’m sorry to hear things didn’t work out with them for you, they didn’t work out for me there either for reasons I guess I’ll never know.

        with her experience, and who knows how many others, and the fact that, during my own attempt to help out at the mint as well, i never got a final response even after your recommendation and sending them my credentials… i wouldn’t be surprised if rob had limited the number of members or readers working there in an attempt to restrict any further exposure to the shady shit that was happening, knowing full well that people close to you would’ve dropped the dime on shit or raised hell sooner.

        in the case for beth, i mean… how does the mint turn away a fuckin’ volunteer when they are behind on production schedules?! how does one tell an individual who believes in the message, who freely sacrifices their own time, and who tries to offer value in the form of labor to help with a cause that ‘we don’t have a place for you’?!

        is it just coincidental that the majority of customer service and production team members are of a local and younger persuasion and most likely don’t fully appreciate the value of silver or the message that you are trying to deliver with the production of these rounds, and who most likely have no knowledge of just how bad of a shit-storm this started to turn into and just seen this as steady paying gig? oh wait, i forgot… they are waiting on paychecks too supposedly.

        motherfuck, i want answers…

        • Beth

          When I first started everything was cool. I didn’t know exactly what I would be able to do for them, as I am a nurse of 20 years. I told Will that and he suggested I start in customer service and get to know different departments to see how I fit in best. At first things were great, Will introduced me as coming from “good stock”, from Chris’ website and direction. I was definitely one of the older people there, I am mid-50’s and most all the employees were kids. I expressed such an interest to be in on this that I would have done it for nothing. They ended up paying me $12/hr and I traded it for silver. One of the girls actually asked me “why do you buy silver”? I couldn’t believe it. As time went on, I felt like a 5th wheel without a place and told Will so. I told him I was really stoked about being a part of the organization, but didn’t want to drive 2 hours each way to sit around begging for a place to help out. Will kept stringing me along for a couple weeks telling me “we still don’t have a place for you”, and I knew it was over.

          • intothevoid

            that’s mad fucked up.

            well beth, i appreciate your time and effort, and i thank you, for choosing to be a part of the solution and wanting to make a difference.

            it’s just unfortunate that a cocksucker like rob and co. is pulling a kansas city shuffle on everyone and their mom, to make a quick fuckin’ buck.

  • chairmanwow

    chris, after a couple days thought on this, I think we are all stuck waiting on the great pumpkin here. It now is obvious that this (insert slur) is going to sell as many coins behind your back as possible, leaving your loyal customers hanging for months, drawing interest on all the orders he stalls on! Thus stimulating a vial demand for the coins. Nothing will stop him from selling coins, thats what he agreed to do. Without legal contract, your wishes to curb sales or production for whatever reasons, are just wishes. We can probably kiss our premiums goodby as D&D’s, and SQ’s are sold to big players all over. I’m sure the ebay page with these $80 Oz.’s has to be motivation for running more coins in his mind, than say stashing 5000 rounds for himself. Your intel, academy award worthy. Wether these molds go over seas or not, it’s looking like we are all in for the Dallas Star Dicking.
    Before your Redoubt release, I found a foreign blog or forum(in russian) that had a promo for your coins that havent been released. It pictured the Redoubt & gun medallions and copper Triv’s,SQ’s & FG’s.
    I Think if your gonna WIN, U gotta get back on that horse solier. Hell Chris, lets try to make the best of this, and maybe recoup a little wealth also. We dont have to take this, you have copyright, get another mint making new sbss rounds, formally request your sheild dies, maybe rob will be happy to make rounds without sheilds. IDK if AgTown would play or not, but I would pay $100 each for limited edition not Cert. but stamp numbered proof medallion with say YOU having cranial intercourse with the so called human that stole ur 1500 Oz.’s or maybe just lopping off a hand. Anyway, there are a million ways to string a cat!! Right now, you have a lot of demoralized soldiers, including numero uno. What would guy fox, william wallace, or George Patton do? What would “JESUS” do? Turn the other cheek, like he did with, the money changers???
    The wisest man on earth said, “there is a time and place for evrything”.When u are satisfied that this will not shake out, release the Cracken,
    SHOW ME UR WAR FACE, &
    LETS BREAK IT OFF, IN HIM!!!
    We are all with you

  • Adrianus

    Rob has a family right ?
    Doesn’t he care about ’em ?

    Beacuse this fraud can put ’em in a risky position …

    • Silver Shield

      Rob only cares about Rob.
      You are assuming empathy which he clearly showed me he has none.
      These guys only fear exposure and the greater psychopath.
      I will make sure he meets both.

  • Mike

    Who still has rounds owed to them? I’m just trying to get a tally.
    Please post the order date, the amount, and medallion type.
    Thanks

    Order date Feb 12 / 100 / Slave Queen

    • SilverJunkie

      Here is what I am owed:

      Order date: Jan 29 / 55 / Slave Queen BU
      Jan 29 / 165 / Freedom Girl BU
      Jan 29 / 5 / Slave Queen Proof
      Jan 29 / 5 / Slave Queen BU/Proof
      Jan 29 / 10 / Freedom Girl Proof
      Feb 8 / 200 / Slave Queen BU
      Feb 8 / 300 / Freedom Girl BU

    • Silverdude

      Wow Guys! If I was owed that much I’d be HOT!!!
      Order date: Mar 1 / 3 / Slave Queen Special BU-Proof

    • Silverdude

      Just got off SBSS website & my order shows complete with tracking number, says it shipped today. There’s a little encouragement for everybody. FYI was March 1 order for Slave Queen Special BU-Proof. Good Luck folks, Peace & God Bless

      • Mike

        Dear Lord, Little Baby Jesus! I just got a tracking number from them this morning! I need to go run and buy a lottery ticket now! It only took them 70 days to mail my order out!

        • tbc

          I am waiting on 100 FG proofs, ordered Feb 16. Those of you waiting on FG Proofs, you have a long wait ahead of you. I was told in no uncertain terms by their CS yesterday that, despite the claim they keep repeating that all orders will be filled by the 26th, there are no proofs available right now, and they “will not be going out soon”.

          It’s now also been confirmed to me by 2 of their CS folks that someone who ordered 500 FG Proofs on Feb. 28th is recieving his order this week (and those are the last FG Proofs they have). He is evidently more important than the other orders because “it’s for the troops” or some such thing.

          So evidently if you can give them a heart-wrenching story about how you ordered coins for charity and it will save babies or something, they will get your order out quicker, regardless of when you ordered.

          I’m all for supporting troops, but A) I think this is just another excuse and B) if we were talking about a small delay I might back off, but it’s been 9 weeks and counting, I just want my metal.

          I filed complaints yesterday with the FTC and the TX AG. Suggest anyone else waiting for a significant amount of metal do the same.

          • tbc

            Update: Interesting. Not sure whether it was my post here this morning or my several irate phone calls to customer service in the last week, but they did a complete 180 and called me this afternoon and I now have tracking #’s.

            The squeaky wheel gets the oil.

            My recommendation, if you are still waiting for coins, don’t let up, call them daily and cause a problem.

            File complaints with the FTC and TX AG and MAKE THEM PUBLIC, i.e. post here that you did it, maybe even email them a copy of the form you submitted. It’s surprisingly easy to file a complaint with either place, only takes a few minutes online. I know for a fact they are reading these threads, and I intentionally dropped enough info into my post above so they would know who was posting.

            Hold their feet to the fire until you get what you paid for.

    • swaneeusa

      I have: 40 Slave Queens
      25 Freedom Girls that were ordered on Mar 3rd

      • swaneeusa

        I should say I ordered 40 slaves and 25 Freedom Girls on March 3rd and have not received them yet.

    • Silverdude

      FYI Wasn’t impressed with the Slave Queen Special BU/Proof coins I received. Proof side is not very clean & BU side has like a crack line or something. Not even gonna think about calling or returning, just happy I got the stinkin’ things. I’m turning the page on that whole chapter.. DONE!!

  • Jason Brekhus

    Forgive me if this has been answered…..I just don’t have time to read all of this. The information is spread out in so many places now. Couple of questions:

    1) Do you and Rob have a formal, written contract of any kind in place? Surely this all couldn’t have been done on a “gentleman’s handshake”? I mean, that would be INSANE considering the kind of money your dealing with, correct???

    2) Did you not take a tour of the facilities at all before you entered into this venture with Rob? Above you said, “Yeah that was a cute bait and switch Rob pulled saying he had a mint but then after Old Glory failed Rob went off and bought a hydrolic press that does 5 coins per minute.”

    You just seem so together and organized. You obviously had the foresight to copyright your designs to protect them. In any kind of business, reputation is EVERYTHING. I know you understand this, the question is, being such an organized businessman, how the hell could you leave your brand, and your name, so exposed???

    You’re teaching the us all about the way the world really works, but it seems like you really set yourself for this. I’m really not trying to criticize, or rub it in, but I just, can’t, wrap my head around it. How you could put so much trust in this one man. This one man that it sounds like you didn’t really even know THAT well.

    You’ve changed my life Chris. You really have. And I thank you for that. But the attacks against Rob like the “congress video” you just put on your site, and the water ionizer stuff……. you’re better than that. Let someone else do it. You know they will. Tell people the TRUTH, but don’t make a SPECTACLE of it. It just seems so juvenile. Just put the facts out there, like you have, and let them speak for themselves.

    Who the hell am I to offer you advice? No one, really. Just needed to get this off my chest. BTW, I will continue to support you in whatever you do, because whatever missteps you have or haven’t made, I know you’re a good person, who truly cares about others. I know that you’ve lost a lot in this whole debacle, and it probably feels a lot like “no good deed goes unpunished” with all the people coming at you from different angles, but please don’t let this affect your faith in humanity and your willingness to help people. You are a great person, and an inspiration to me and many others. The world needs people like you. This too shall pass.

  • MATT

    nice poem BUT why the hell can’t people spell LOSE!???

    It’s not LOOSE..that’s the chick on the street corner…

  • David Richardson

    “I have also heard complaints about the Free Lakota Bank is not returning calls. Shocker…. I will be releasing more on the truth about Free Lakota Bank later. I already suspect that I am going to get “nothing” also”.

    What is the connection between this “bank” and Rob, AOCS, Mulligan, or whatever they want to call themselves?

  • Fidothedog

    All – If we are concerned with whether or not a scam is going on shouldn’t we also we concerned whether or not the coins that have been sent to us actually contain 100% silver? Has anyone checked this? What a better way to rip people off than by using some type of filler with the silver and pocketing the difference.

  • Matt G

    I’m waiting on nearly $7000 in SBSS coins I purchased on Feb 11th. Feeling burned.

    • SilverJunkie

      It appears that anyone that made any substantial purchase is getting pushed to the end of the line. They probably would rather deal with a few angry customers with larger orders, than hundreds with small orders. No particular order as to how they are filling the orders, certainly not by oldest first. Also, why have Provident, Gainesville etc. been selling SBSS products for months, while those of us that paid for our orders months ago, are still waiting? All orders to be shipped by April 26th, not holding my breath, but I will be calling MM every day until I get a Tracking #.

  • AgIsStockOnMetal

    Speaking of releasing the truth, how about you share some financials with all the people who’s money is still in limbo… I’m not trying to be a jerk, but the holier than now stance you’re taking seems a bit over the top. Don’t get me wrong, I’m of fan of yours and a member of your site. I love all your videos and views on the future.

    As far as I can tell, in 7 months you sold 200k-300k total ounces of silver. You’ve shown that you had contracts with Mr. Gray, which I’m concluding had financial implications in them.

    Since I’m in the business, I know how much private mints want per coin. Anywhere from $0.80 to $7.00 depending how large your order is. After die costs (which I’m sure you weren’t charged) and shipping fee’s (which you didn’t pay because the mint was sending direct to the customer), I’m thinking your contract reflected that you made $0.75 to $1.00 per coin that was sold.

    If we take an average of all the numbers above, you probably pocketed a quarter of a million dollars before the business relationship went bad.

    It’s great that you stood up for customers, and it’s great that you walked away when you did to prove a point. But when you bring up facts that Mr. Gray was taking vacations and buying homes, it just looks like you were pissed that he had the better end of the deal.

    I’m sure you will get your 1500 personal ounces back (either in original bar form or SBSS coins), and now would be a great time for the mint to do it. Silver has dropped $4.00 since this mess started. And after making at least $2.00 per coin (I suspect more for the rip off price that SBSS was charging for non-stamped serialed proofs) $32,500 is nothing to them.

    It’s hard to fight the money in court, especially when your contracts sucked. Try to get your silver, and find another mint. But please stop putting yourself on a pedestal when you have the fiat funds to continue what you’ve started.

    Let’s face it. You’re no longer in the paradigm business, you sell silver now…

    • Silver Shield

      I would love some clarity on what I am owed and I am at least owed $250,000 and 1,500 oz but when Rob tells me to my face that I will get “nothing” there is only one route I can take from there.

      • Ryan

        I would have been pissed, too and everyone else here would have been equally upset if not more so if everything you’ve worked for was trampled on by someone you put your trust in. This goes was beyond monetaray losses. Rob was probably telling Chris he was using that money owed him to invest back into the business in order to meet demand, which is why Chris probably put up with never getting paid any profits for so long, because his first priority was getting the coins shipped out on time and he wanted to make sure everything was done in our best interest to make that possible. Rob’s first priority was enriching himself. Then, Rob invest in a mansion on an airstrip when there were still orders not being shipped and employees and partners not being paid! That was not Rob’s money tn the first place that he bought that Mansion with. That mansion was most liekly purchased with the money that was owed to Chris. How about a little empathy here guys.

        • AgIsStockOnMetal

          You’re assuming and speaking for someone who can shed insight with a click of a mouse. Your “probably”‘s are overshadowed by the fact that the owner of this website is not being 100% honest. There is no way he would of done this for so long with zero compensation. I have empathy for a good thing gone bad, but to live in fantasy and think Chris made nothing this whole time is just idiotic. Enough silver was sold that Chris has enough to continue what he wants to do. He will never say he received nothing this whole time because that’s not legally sound to lie before or during a lawsuit. All I was asking for was some more truth on what he has made, not what is owed…

  • madamX

    I have known Rob Gray for several years. and think the world of him. Rob he has always seen to it that I come out well in any business we have had.

    From what I have read today it looks like you forgot to leave a door open for
    a solution. take some time off and meet again as friends to find an amicable solution where everyone gets something
    Let this chapter end with everyone winning.

    • Silver Shield

      I did personally go down there and tried to make a clean break for me and the customers and I was told to my face that I would get “nothing”.

      I would have loved to have walked out of there with a clean break, but he chose this route NOT me.

  • Jeb

    I just find it ironic that Chris is now encouraging the use of the evil and corrupt debt and death paradigm state and government powers and force to solve his problems. The Attorney General? Is Chris going to sue? I thought the government was bad. LOL, apparently it’s okay when YOU need it huh? Good luck, sounds like you screwed up big time but jeez, this really proves how full of crap al this silver bug cult community, anti-government nonsense really is. When the chips are down, you call the government to help you.

    • Silver Shield

      The government has a monopoly on violence.
      If I had done anything when Rob told me to my face that is would get “nothing” I would have been in trouble.

    • Michael

      I’m surprised Chris replied to this extremely stupid flatulence of sentences. Who cares what you found ironic. There is no irony whatsoever. If you want irony, look in the mirror. Justice is justice regardless from where it may come. If you believe your own denouncements – “silver bug cult community, anti-government nonsense” – why do subscribe to Chris’ newsletter? Just to troll?

  • Jin

    Hey Chris was watching Kremlin TV and saw the Slave Queen which reminder me of you. Not sure when this was filmed. Mulligan Mint and Rob minting silver for Texas.

    http://rt.com/shows/documentary/republic-texas-american-society-052/

  • James William

    In light of your statements regarding your preliminary denial of the event and subsequent anger, I believe you may be experiencing a microcosm of Kübler-Ross’s five stages of grief. If such is valid then I wish you luck in hastily progressing through it and solving your complications with the mint and Rob Gray.

    • Silver Shield

      I went through all 5 stages in about 5 minutes after Rob Gray told me to my face that I would get “nothing” after all that I have done for him.
      I have had incredible conversations with hundreds of people over the past week or so.
      I have spoken to many past victims of Rob Gray and see the pattern of manipulation and leveraging reputation.
      I have taken actions on as many fronts as possible and wait to see the results of those efforts.
      I am very confident I will recover what is owed and that I will not be left with “nothing”.
      I have had some of the best sleep in the past 7 months.

  • ShadowLight2012

    When the first coin was minted, Debt & Death, I knew this was going to end up and someone getting upset and screwed. I had conversation with his brother (I think) Dean Gray before jumping into buying coins this way. My concern back then was that the money taken in was used to capitalize the young growing mint and not held as segregated funds until to the product was secured.

    Knowing it was a high risk transaction, I decided to speculate and placed an order. I gave them the benefit of the doubt on the money handling because it is a start-up mint. There was another email later that I received from a secretary regarding a back order that indicated to me they were having trouble sourcing material and did not have it in stock. I knew then there was trouble. I will always have trouble when someone holds my money and does not have the materials (or assets) to back it up. Perhaps that is why I wanted to apply for an accounting job with them, maybe to secure my interests.

    It has been a great idea and I hope that SBSS survives this episode of calamity.It took a long wait, but I did receive everything I purchased and glad that I did. I use the SBSS coins all the time to change peoples views of money.

    Chris, I wish you the best with these troubles and know all to well the difficult predicament you face.

  • David Nugen

    I received my orders and an extra copper original skeleton in a tophat, for the inconvenience- it idi take an extraordinally long time to get them, but it was worth the wait, love the coins, but Chris, I would definately design more similar and go with another mint WITH a stellar reputation. Thanks for your hard work, sorry for the bad situation.

  • CHG

    I’m happy to report that I have my last order of 686 ounces. Stopped by to see Willy this morning at 9:00. Took about twenty minutes for them to pack it up and triple check everything.

    Willy was a gentleman. I’m relieved.

    I sincerely hope everyone is made whole.

  • marz

    “There can be no fair competition between honest men and ROB Gray.”

  • Mike VanLak

    Chris, has the Mulligan Mint or Rob responded to this AT ALL? I can’t seem to find anything!

    And are you aware that reddit.com/r/silverbugs is essentially being taken over by Mulligan shills? 2 out of 6 moderators (at least) are shills who are insulting you, and constantly praising Rob and the mint. It’s like one big psyop over there, and if you dare mention your name, or question Rob or the mint, prepare for mass downvotes and possibly a ban….

  • Kyle

    Contacted Free Lakota Bank with those questions. Will let you know when I get a response back.

  • Clint Richardson

    I have received my orders. I had to wait like everyone else. I recommend to Chris that he contact the consumer protection agency and the CFPB.

  • Bryan

    Chris,
    I am a big time supporter with everything you do. If you ever need help with anything shoot me an email. I live in Parma so i’m very close.

    – A true liberty lover

  • Al

    I personally think that the mint will surely fail. Rob is digging his own grave. If not already dug.

  • Andy B

    Has anyone else been contacted by the mint saying that you received too many coins? I was told I owe for 10 ounces that I didn’t receive, and I will be billed for them, and sent to collections if I don’t pay within 10 days. Good luck with that. I won’t be extorted!

    • Silver Shield

      Let me know which collections they use I have a nice case for them….

      • Andy B

        Changed credit card account. Blocked AOCS Mint from making further charges. Will let you know on collections.

    • PdBallerina

      How do they come to this conclusion?? Do they video orders being boxed? How do they have time to worry about 10 ounces when they owe so many people 1000s ounces of silver??

  • I am waiting patiently to buy more of the next coins you come out with. I have bought all your coins since day one and thankfully have had everything delivered to me. I support you and hope that we will see new coins to buy in the not to distant future. Hopefully you have a New Mint in the Works to make coins #5 and forward with the other designs. Nothing will keep you from doing all 30 designs and more. Your friend in SILVER Tony.

  • jonahui

    I received the last two of my coins this week. The quality seems good. I hope everyone else will have their orders completed as well.

  • James Woroble Jr

    The longer Rob-Art can stall delivery on pre-paid ounces during this historical ‘smash-down’, awaiting a final bottom, the more he could increase his profit by 100’s of % by simply buying the silver @, lets say $22 ($17?…!!!), to fill orders paid for when it was $27. This is assuming there is any intention to fill the orders at all.

    • James Woroble Jr

      A forensic audit of the books would be (in the immortal words of Rowan and Martin’s Laugh-in, ‘Wolfgang’, “Very interesting”. And probably in the Attorney Generals words, ‘BUT STUPID”!

  • Pete

    Chris,
    just wanted to let you know, I just received my AG from MM. The order was placed a few days after the release of Freedom girl; to date have exchanged over 300 oz. Keep us posted as to what the intent of SBSS. I appreciate your work and have been stacking for 25 years. I will continue to support the cause, as you know the client base is there. I will be in touch as to how we can expand this in our local communities to break this debt base cancer that holds us hostage to this cancerous system. Lets let the smoke clear with MM and give them until the end of the month to make good on orders. My hopes as that you can made whole and we can move on and get this real movement on track.

    Thanks for what you do, and having the balls to step up to the plate!

    Pete

  • Darrell Johnston

    Chris, I am one of the lucky ones. I bought mine from a coin dealer in New York. He gave me a great deal, and I love the designs. I was ble to get the Members Only coins at. great price. It appears that the only way to make a decent deal is to go for them in the after market. I feel bad for all of the buyers left hanging with their money tied up with the idiot who has the “mint”.. I think if a few dozen people that are being screwed by this unprofessional jerk flew in and paid him a visit it might make him see the light through black eyes. He deserves to have his ass kicked.

  • UrbanPioneer

    Question….

    What are you doing to get your customers money and/or silver that they purchased to them?

  • Scrapper

    Here’s the letter I sent them on April 13th. I had a tracking number on Monday the 15th and my silver was delivered on April 18th.

    I’ve had enough. For over three weeks now I have tried to gain information about an order I placed over 6 weeks ago on February 28th through your Day of Resistance Coin website . As of today that website no longer is accessible. My order number is 1000000157.
    I wish I did not need to use this approach but the lack of professionalism from your company has left me no choice. This is your final notice. On Monday, April 15, 2013 at 5:00 EST If I have not received a tracking number for my order I will contact The Dallas Bar Association Lawyer Referral Service with the intent to plead the Dallas County District Court for an immediate injunction barring Coins for the Cause, The Mulligan Mint, Silver Bullet Silver Shield, Day of Resistance, TSP Mint, and or Chris Duane, collectively or individually, from receiving or processing any new or existing orders until such time as they answer to the court in response to my accusations of false advertising and other violations of the Interstate Commerce Commission and FCC rules and statutes to be disclosed in my filings.
    Its real simple. Send me my order or I will do my best to shut your operation down. Over the past two years I have purchased over $125,000 in physical silver and gold. I am not willing to wait any longer for my order. I am willing to let it cost you many times that through a class action lawsuit if you refuse to take me seriously.
    Respectfully,
    Michael D. Peters
    Terre Haute, IN

  • Scrapper

    P.S. To my post. At the time I sent my email I did not know of Rob Grey or I would have included him in my filings. I guess I’m lucky I have all 5 of my orders in hand. I would continue to support the SBSS series if they came from a different mint. As far as the MM. What a waste!

  • viewpoint

    Chris,

    My empathy to you and your family, but since you were raised in the car business and you know how important it is to get everything in writing, what is in the contract? Since this is going to be a great burden for everyone and there will be lawsuits, one would seem that this would fall under the many who have been swindled from the sales pitch of the evil, for this is truly grave, but just imagine, if those molds were destroyed somehow, how much the worth of your coins would be! wow, it’s like amazing how this is all happening, how fate has led us all here. I pray that The Lord will reveal the truth and that The Lords justice be swift.

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