Update 35: I Have Severed ALL Ties With Rob Gray and Mulligan Mint

Screen Shot 2013-04-18 at 12.28.44 PMI originally met Rob Gray through a friend and member who introduced us both related to his testimony before Ron Paul’s subcommittee.  Thereafter, we had conversations for several months about silver, etc. and even traveled to Silver Summit together. When I started business dealings with Rob Gray we had a business deal that I would design and promote my Silver Bullet Silver Shield medallions and he and his new Mulligan Mint would produce and fulfill them.  Seemed like a very simple straightforward business relationship.

I performed my half of the deal well beyond anyone’s expectations, but there seemed to be constant issues on Rob’s end of the deal, such as complaints about PayPal, credit cards, delays in delivery, shoddy production quality, awful customer service, etc.

Knowing that starting something like this is not easy, I was very patient and did my best to try to support their effort for over 7 months. I tried pumping the breaks with delayed launches, but that was not enough. Then, things started to not add up for me.

Given my concerns, I halted ALL sales March 11th to clear a persistent backlog that grew to an estimated 92,000 ounces or roughly $3 million.

I was given assurances that all orders would be fulfilled by April 8th and we were going to launch on April 15th. I then come to find out the Sales Director, Gus Demos, who was my main contact with the Mint, abruptly quit on April 11th.

I immediately cancelled the Tax Slave Day relaunch of Slave Queen, Freedom Girl and the Redoubt coin. (I did this despite record demand for silver and incredibly low silver prices.)

From that moment on all the pieces started to come together as people started comparing notes about what they knew of Rob.

  • Why was he constantly try to run so fast when problems need to be corrected?
  • Why is he taking several recent vacation trips to Singapore in the midst of all these problems?
  • Why did he purchase a new mansion on an airstrip in Plano, Texas?
  • Why did  the sales director abruptly quit?
  • Why were paid retail customers waiting while he sold to dealers behind my back and my strict orders to stop ALL sales.

 

After many months of broken promises and constant aggravation of taking all of the heat for things I had no control over, I decided to fly to Dallas and confront Rob Gray face-to-face to resolve all open matters between us.

Despite his previous gregarious conversations and his jovial personality, at this meeting a different Rob Gray was present.  This one was curt and cold.  I sat down and simply and frankly told him I had no interest in continuing a business relationship and simply asked for my dies, the SilverBulletSilverShield.com URL, an accurate customer accounting of what is owed, affiliate commissions, final customer ounces delivered and/or collect all that is owed, and what was owed to me (including 1,500 personal ounces I sent down for minting from bars to my coins).

His response was “what if I just say ‘no’, what are you going to do?” I responded with “That’s not what I was hoping for, but I will be forced to go another route.” Thereafter, I stormed out after only 5 minutes when Rob Gray told me that I would get “nothing“.

Based on all my experience and dealings with Rob as well as the learned experiences of others, I suspect something very nefarious is going on at Mulligan Mint. As a result, I will be talking with customers, employees, affiliates, refiners, retailers and Free Lakota Bank and Mulligan Mint investors and depositors and telling anyone interested anything and everything I know about the situation, Rob Gray, Mulligan Mint, etc.  I think if I shine a very bright light on the situation, maybe we can all get the answers.

I will have MUCH more, very soon, after I have a clearer picture, when I have a conference call with the major creditors that I know of.

I will leave all options open after that.

Here is a just the beginning of what I have recently found out when people start talking.

33 Page Report On Rob Gray the Hypnotist, Water Ionizer Salesman that says “Mr. Gray may actually deserve an Oscar nomination for his theatrics in some of the videos that have been posted on this website.”

Free Lakota Bank is not a FDIC Bank…

South Dakota Dept. of Labor warns about unlicensed Free Lakota Bank

And not a bank of the Republic of Lakotah…

The Republic of Lakotah is in NO WAY associated with this new “freelakotabank.” Caveat Emptor!

So who’s bank is it?!

 

I do not care about my lost time, energy, money, opportunity, reputation, or silver.

I ONLY care about the truth.

 Feel free to add your story in the comment section below so that the people that are on the fence can have their Usual Suspects moment.

 

Regretfully,

Chris Duane

 

P.S. Just as I was about to post this, I get an email blast from the Mulligan Mint that they are selling The Survival Podcast Ant Shield?!

Somebody better let Jack know what is going on before his good name and customers get caught in this growing mess.

 

Listen to all, TRUST NONE.

 

“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague.” -Marcus Tullius Cicero

 

Update 1: The first lie I have heard today is that Rob refused to give me my dies, because I was working with Gus to start our own mint.

I want the dies because…

  1. Screen Shot 2013-04-18 at 12.28.44 PMThey are mine.  I am the designer and copyright holder of them.
  2.  I want to secure them from being used to diminish the value of all of the SBSS coins on the market by continuing to produce them beyond my approval or control.
  3. I don’t need to own a mint.  There are far more respectable, well oiled operations which OH BY THE WAY are much cheaper (33% cheaper) and have much better quality and turn around times.
  4. I want to work with a few mints so I am never in this position again.
  5. I want to relaunch fairly quickly.  I have waste far too much time and I will not wait for months to start some other capital and labor intensive business, especially before a dollar collapse.
  6. What mint in the world tells their customer that they will get “nothing”?!
  7. I will never use these designs ever again. (Which will increase the value of these coins, but not if the dies are not secured.)

So now with that out on the table, I want Rob Gray to turn over the dies that are not being used to fulfill customer order and just so we are really clear I would love it if they just took a HAMMER to it to damage it enough so that I cannot use it, but I can still see what it is.

I have a die count and wait for Rob’s response to this one.

I am sure that thousands of SBSS investors are going to be VERY INTERESTED in the outcome of this particular issue.

Update 2: I was told that Rob had a meeting with the whole staff after I blew out of there and that he said he would give me my 1,500 ounces.  I would love to know when and where I can get it, Rob.  I would think this would be very easy for you to do since that is provable theft in my opinion.

Update 3: I have completed my research and will be moving on many fronts to protect those that are involved in this mess.

I have gotten word that the new date they are stringing people along with April 26th.  Snap out of denial and stop hearing what you want to hear.  April 8th was the drop dead date… then the 15th… get a refund or a tracking number!  If you bought by credit card…

What they probably did not tell you is that their caster is down and blanks are pretty hard to come by right now.  It sure does look like they are trying to get this stuff out and when you tell a guy like me that I am getting “nothing” that frees up (in Rob’s mind) some time and capital.  I know he has bought time with some others that want to believe, but the fact is the circle is getting tighter as people start talking and wising up.

I have also heard complaints about the Free Lakota Bank is not returning calls.  Shocker…. I will be releasing more on the truth about Free Lakota Bank later. I already suspect that I am going to get “nothing” also.

I am posting some helpful links and phone numbers and suggest you do your own due diligence.

  1. Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott
  2. The Federal Trade Commission hotline 877-382-4357
  3. South Dakota Attorney General 605-773-3215
  4. You can also contact your local State Attorney General

Update 4: The only thing that really matters is your name.Screen Shot 2013-04-24 at 4.01.46 PM
You got it from your father,
It was all he had to give,
So its yours to use and cherish,
For as long as you may live.
If you lose the watch he gave you,
It can always be replaced,
But a black mark on your name son,
Can never be erased.
It was clean the day you took it,
And a worthy name to bare,
When he got it from his father,
There was no dishonor there.
So be sure you guard it wisely,
After all is said and done,
You’ll be glad the name is spotless,
When you give it to your son.
– Anonymous
Screen Shot 2013-04-25 at 8.17.09 AMUpdate 5: Free Lakota BankI got an email this morning that they are doing extremely well and they have hired extra staff, so answering some of these questions should be very simple.  If you have silver with the Free Lakota Bank, here are some questions you may want to ask…

  1. Where is the bank? Where are the offices? Who is the staff besides Eddie Allen in Dallas? Is there anybody in the 605 area code associated with the Free Lakota Bank?
  2. Does the Mulligan Mint in Dallas have the Free Lakota Bank safe in their mint?  Are there more safes? How are the assets segregated? Where is you silver?
  3. Is it insured? Can you see proof of insurance?
  4. When was it audited last? By whom? Where are the results?
  5. What Republic of Lakotah  projects  does the General Development Fund go to?
  6. Do they even have a location on the Lakotah property after all of these years?
  7. Why does the Republic of Lakotah say they are, “in NO WAY associated with this new “freelakotabank.” Caveat Emptor!“?
  8. Who owns the Free Lakota Bank? Is it even a legal entity? Where is it registered? If not, who lays claim to the assets?
  9. According to Whois Domain Lookup Rob Gray registered the domain Sept. 7th 2008. What is his relationship to the Free Lakota Bank?
  10. Can funds from the Free Lakota Bank be used for private or personal investments? What safe guards or transparency are in place to ensure your investment?

The good thing is that according to the site “Withdrawing: Any and all withdraws from the Free Lakota Bank will be issued in AOCS Approved Silver medallions. The currency can be shipped direct from the bank or may be issued by an AOCS Trade Coordinator or Authorized Dealer.”  This is great since the minting fee to produce these coins is relatively high and since they still have unjustly kept my dies and my coins are AOCS Approved you should get your silver in Freedom Girls or Slave Queens.  Considering the premiums on these coins right now compared to the raw value of silver, this might be a good time to explore those options.

Update 6:  The “Buzzard Dollar” is reborn.

The Morgan Dollar was derided as one of the ugliest coins in the US Mint history and was loosely called the “Buzzard Dollar”.  In an effort to quickly roll out another coin to keep the game going, the Mulligan Mint is using an altered Morgan Dollar Reverse as the back of the Redoubt coin.  What makes this worse is that the .999 looks like a 666.  At least they had the decency not to use my Reverse.

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Original Morgan Reverse on Left. New Redoubt Reverse on right.

Screen Shot 2013-04-24 at 8.51.47 PMUpdate 7: More excuses to buy more time… Today comes the announcement that the Mulligan Mint will ONCE AGAIN fail to deliver on their promised deadlines.  We have people from January still not fulfilled despite a $10 drop in the price of silver…  Rob Gray told me that I would get “nothing” and I have since severed ties…  and they still have the still have the arrogance to launch with two new partners and coins?!

And since when do they care about quality?  From day one quality has been a major issue that has never been resolved.  I would ask you to find out what supplier “failed” with sub-par blanks, but I already know it is BS.

Failed with the end of March deadline…

then April 8th…

then Tax Slave Day April 15th…

and now April 26th.

Something really stinks!

File an online complaint with Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott

 Update 8: May 2nd and STILL all orders are not fulfilled.

Despite all of the fake promises to fulfill all orders we are close to a MONTH past the April 8th deadline and orders are still not fulfilled.  I mean there are orders from January/February and $10 higher silver NOT fulfilled.  The customers that are left are the largest orders by volume and there is no way of knowing how many thousands of ounces are still owed.  Snap out of denial and take action.  Small claims court could be an option or you can file a complaint, do your own due dilligence.

  1. Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott
  2. The Federal Trade Commission hotline 877-382-4357
  3. South Dakota Attorney General 605-773-3215
  4. You can also contact your local State Attorney General

Update 9: Moving Forward with Silver Bullet Silver Shield

I have been like Janus wrapping up the past with lawyers and investigators and working towards the future with new partners retail and production partners.  I am going forward alone to continue to do what I do best design and promote SBSS silver.  I have no interest in the minting or sales of these coins and will only act as the intermediary between the largest retailers and the two mints that will produce the coins.  I have established a connection with a reputable mint to produce Proof SBSS and I hope by the end of today I will have a BU production mint locked on.  These mints are long established, independent, family owned mints that have a reputation for great quality, dependable delivery times, excellent reputation.  I am excited to see what these coins can do when I can launch  more designs, get quicker turn around times, and superior quality.

I am shooting for the end of May to launch War Bird and Love.  I hope to launch 1 coin a week after that.  I will continue to work solely with Heidi Wastweet and limit the time these coins will be available. Despite the crazy market for silver, I am shooting for the same price points of $2.99 over spot for BU and $14.99 for Proof.  I believe the combination of my designs and promotions, Heidi’s excellent work, low price points, the largest retailers, and finally a dependable and quality partner producing the coins we will be able to restart the fire very quickly.

Update 10: Enter the Clowns

How many other bloggers are going to try to jump into my boots?  Well the latest is the stoner, BitConer Adam Kokesh, this despite all of the drama of tremendous delivery failures, shoddy quality, awful customer service and the final coup de grace of Rob Gray telling me that I would get “nothing”.   It seems that some bloggers will turn a blind eye to sell their customers out for a quick buck. (Or so they think.)  The wonderful thing with this is that I have warned everyone and their customers will provide the money to fulfill orders from months ago that are still waiting.

Despite all of the efforts the Mulligan Mint is trying to do to stay alive, I do not believe they will last long since this is such a small world in the silver community.  You don’t stay in business too long by screwing customers and partners over.  I don’t think too many people are going to trust them and it is clear many of the major retailers will no longer expose themselves to the inherent risks associated with them.  I will do everything in my power with speaking out, investigators and lawyers to take care of those injured in this drama.  The good thing is that I was ONLY involved with them for 7 months and they have nowhere near the 92,000 ounces once owed when I shut down sales on March 11th nearly TWO MONTHS ago.

Screen Shot 2013-04-18 at 12.28.44 PMI want everyone to watch this latest video from Adam Kokesh as I break down the lies and you will hear from his own mouth that Rob Gray and the Mulligan Mint are going to try to sell Slave Queen and Freedom Girl with other backs on it.  This is the sleaziest thing I have ever heard any mint doing.  Since I am the Copyright Owner, ANY infringement will only lead to more people to be involved in my lawsuits I am pursuing.  It is insane to think that a manufacturer has ownership of intellectual property that I own.  Rob says he paid for the dies, but that came from profits of the sales I brought in and their part of the dealer was to produce and fulfill.

What person in the world would ever trust the Mulligan Mint to produce their coins, when they clearly intend on stealing it for their own.  Then think about the current owners of SBSS coins, I want these coins to be fulfilled and retired long ago and now it seems there is going to be no end until a Judge puts an end to this once and for all.  I don’t want the dies to produce more, I WANT THEM DESTROYED so the BS ends.

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Before…

‘It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.” -Upton Sinclair

Feel free to thumbs down on YouTube, but don’t bother commenting, you will just get banned.

http://youtu.be/1fvE_g6pb9M

00:32 “Obviously and blatantly wrong”  Originally an 92,000 ounce back log from March 11th that was promised to be taken care of originally in 2 weeks by Rob… then promised to have everyone delivered by April 8th… then the sudden resignation of the Director of Sales April 11th… everyone owed money and or silver while he takes trips to Singapore and buys a mansion on an airstrip… no replies to my emails… selling major retailers despite my  total shut down of  sales on March 11th further pushing PAID customer orders back… missing the April 15th relaunch date because they still did not deliver…  no responses… then BS emailed excuses… and FI

NALLY I had to fly down to Dallas to see for my face that Rob had no intention of making things right when he told me to my face that I would get nothing that I was owed and I could not even find out what the customers were owed.  So yeah Adam, something was obviously and blatantly wrong.

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After?

00:36 “claiming he lost a lot of money without documentation to back it up. I wanted to see the numbers…”  I have never seen a clean Profit and Loss statement the entire time.  Throughout the entire ordeal I was extremely patient as they were struggling to keep up with the tremendous demand I created but when I became suspicious something was nefarious going on I sought to mitigate the problem by shutting down sales in March and trying to make a clean break.  Every time I asked to see a statement I was told that they were between book keepers and they were always days a way from getting it done.  Never was their a real accountant allowed to see the books.  My estimate of loss is from the former Sales Director on what he told me that I am still owed, and even he will will tell you that he has no idea what that really is since not even HE was allowed to see the books.  Meanwhile Rob plays in Singapore and goes home to his Mansion on an airstrip…

00:42 “Pretending he did not make any money.”  I never claimed not to make any money, just not what I was owed.  I did get my only wire of $75,000 in March and that was just fraction of the money and silver that I was owed.  I also waited for months for my own silver while others got fulfilled using my silver for a rolling inventory.  I was able to finally get my metal back this spring.  Like a good Marine leader, I always was patient and put myself at the end of the line in terms of fulfillment and payment.  Never would I consider to lead others into a danger for a quick profit.  Meanwhile my “partner” was running up hundreds of thousands in credit card bills traveling the world with his family and buying mansions.  The thing that is very obvious to me, everyone is owed money except Rob.

00:52 “I checked the books, I have seen the paper work”  Really because I never have.  Perhaps you can send it to me or my lawyer or post something online?  Where did you get your accounting degree from?  Do you typically trust people that have been shown to lie especially when it is clear that they would profit off of it?  Did you disclose your $4,000 a month sponsorship for the Mulligan Mint before you did this video?  Was the trip to Dallas paid for buy Rob?  Can you tell me how much I sold because I never saw the second set of books that showed the hundreds of thousands of sale to online retailers?

00:58 “For the little value you contributed”  Laughably insane statement.  Before Rob met me he was selling copper coins and water ionizers.  I brought him publicity and business.  I estimate that 90% of all of the business that went through that place was a direct result of my connection and reputation.  The sales, the investors, the depositors, the other bloggers, the retailers… They went from 4 employees to 45 while I was there.  There WAS NO MINT before me, just an empty warehouse with no presses.   And despite whatever you think it was worth it was a 50/50 split in profits on my stuff and 30% of Coins For The Cause coins that include your sorry silver sales Adam.

01:03 ” You made out like  bandit to the tune of $182,000″  I got one wire for $75,000 in March and NO 1099 for all of last year’s business with the Mulligan Mint.  And that still does not get over the fact that my customers are still not fulfilled, I am out my 1,500 ounces and according to the former sales director an estimated $250,000 and that is before the Coins for the Cause profits.

01:07 “And now you are thinking you are going to start your own mint, on a lie.” The only lie in that statement is that I was planning to start my own mint.  I never even considered starting a mint when there are clearly others that have been doing it much longer than I that will take better care of my designs and customers.  In fact I am talking with 3 mints to produce future coins.  The mint is the easily and most needed replacement of this whole drama.

01:22 “Never see a deal like this again” Geez I hope so, I would hate to be ROBbed from ever again like this.  It is not all about money, I have walked away from my family’s inheritance for a greater purpose and would never sell my soul for money.  I have better mints, with better quality, better prices, and better turn around times and a larger more reliable retail network to work with.

I will be adding more to this later, but it is just all BS…  feel free to jump into the comment section and help wade through the lies.

Update 11: Desperation sets in at the Mulligan Mint.

With now three failed posted Silver Bullet Silver Shield launches and a withering retail support the Mulligan Mint seems intent on either continuing selling Slave Queens and Freedom Girls with or without the Silver Bullet Silver Shield.  (Start watching 9:50)  The best thing about this people will not being trusting Mulligan Mint or Adam Kokesh.  Like I told Rob Gray,  you only get one name in this world and I am confident despite all of this drama, my name is still very well intact.

 

The time, money, publicity, retailers, suppliers, customers, employees, investors, depositors, and legal action is slipping away from what once felt the abundance mentality.  I believe that the we are weeks, if not days, of the final implosion of this drama.

I will caution everyone in dealing with the Mulligan Mint or any paid trolls the same warning the Republic of Lakotah warned about Rob Gray’s Free Lakota Bank… Caveat emptor!

Screen Shot 2013-05-06 at 10.04.16 AM Update 12:  Coins For (Rob) The Cause Affiliate Webinar

There is an affiliate webinar tonight for another coin launch trying to recapture the magic of what they once had with the Silver Bullet Silver Shield.

Like a husband that in unfaithful with his wife by cheating on her with a mistress in Vegas, it will never be the same again.

The silver community is far to small to break trust so egregiously, at so many different levels to think things will ever go back as it was.

You ONLY get one name and those that are affiliated with the Mulligan Mint would be better off looking for something else than ruining their name trying to resuscitate this mortally wounded enterprise.

 

 Update 13: Supposedly All Retail SBSS Orders Are Fulfilled…

That does not include the thousands of ounces that were sold behind my back to retailers or what is owed to me.  This does NOT put an end to the drama by any means.

  • They still owe thousands of ounces to major retailers that have been waiting to fulfill their clients.
  • They are still over a month behind the promised date of April 8th deadline Rob Gray promised.
  • They still produce shoddy quality work that is an insult to the fine art Heide Wastweet sculpted and the message of the Silver Bullet Silver Shield.
  • Their customer service is atrocious and full of excuses/lies.
  • The risk of massive delays in the silver stacker community is unacceptable.
  • They still are using my brand, copyrights, designs, promotional format and trademark without my clear warning not to.
  • They are threatening to use my designs to unlawfully enrich others by taking Freedom Girl and Slave Queen and putting another back on it for Adam Cokesh.
  • They still owe me at least 1,500 physical ounces of silver to me.
  • They still have not handed over the SilverBulletSilverShield . com website to me, even though it was promised that it was “mine” by Rob Gray.
  • They still act like nothing has happened and not made any effort to correct the grave failures they alone have caused.
  • They still have not destroyed or turned over the dies of all of the Silver Bullet Silver Shield series that are my designs and copyrights.
  • They still threaten to add insult to injury by creating these designs to destroy the value of limited run SBSS medallions.
  • They still have not made me whole for all of the abundance I have created and earned.
  • They still use hired/invested guns to spit on me for the abundance I have created.

Screen Shot 2013-05-08 at 7.13.39 AMUpdate 14: If It Takes Months to Fulfill 300 Orders…

…how long will it take to fulfill 55 million?  The Mulligan Mint is trying their 4th?, 5th?, 6th? failed launch in the aftermath of the end of their involvement of the Silver Bullet Silver Shield series.  How many of these ill conceived coins are they going to try to push out without addressing the systemic failures they have?

The latest attempt is based off of the homo erotic, violent movie 300.  The idea is that if 300 men can can stand against a invading army, then what could 55 million do?

“For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague.” -Marcus Tullius Cicero

The first flaw I see is that those 300 men were bound by honor and trust.  They we powerful because they had implicit trust for their brothers to watch their back.  The actions of Jack Spirko and the Mulligan Mint have shown that there is no honor in stealing someones designs, silver, ideas and names.  Trust has been broken simply delivering silver, much less putting someones life on the line.  I thank God that this happened now and I got to see the true nature of these actors before TSHTF.

My experience in the Marine Corp taught me to never break trust, even if it means taking the hardest blows for yourself.  The reason why I am the last one holding the bag, is that I consistently put myself last to make sure others were taken care of.  That is why the customers are getting fulfilled and I am out over $250,000, my silver, my dies, my website and the rest.  The slanderous attacks from the likes of Jack Spirko and Adam Cokesh show that these men are more concerned with their own asses rather than doing what is right.

“100 Billion Dollars!” – Dr. Evil

BDD_DR_evil_12.16.08The second flaw I see is, where are they getting 55 million from?  Even in the sheeple world, Mitt Romney only got 58 million votes in the last Presidential election.  Why stop at  55 million if we are just making up numbers?  Why not 1 billion?!

I estimate that there are between 2-5 million one offs of the INTJ personality that would even consider that their world is flawed.  The grand majority of them are either ignorant or invested in the current paradigm to even begin the process of awakening.  And those that do take this journey, only a small percentage of those people make it to the Acceptance Stage, where they take positive productive action in their lives.  And of those people that have made it that far they have no room in their lives for deceit or risk that is clearly at play here.

Military men are just dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy.” -Henry Kissinger

The third flaw I see is, why a Sentinel?  Sentinels are guards of a collective.  They are men that follow orders of rulers and not allowed to, even for a moment, think about what is best for themselves.  My indoctrination in the Marine Corps infantry demanded ‘instant an willing obedience to orders’.  This brain washing technique is used to trick well meaning men into sacrificing themselves for the Debt and Death their rulers profit from.

Leaderless resistance is about every man a leader, not a blind follower.  I created the Sons of Liberty Academy for that very reason.  Every person should have the knowledge and logic to do what is best for themselves and their loved ones.  The resonating power of awakened and empowered individuals, stands in stark contrast to what is being portrayed in this ill conceived coin.

“Hurt people, hut people.” -Will Bowen

The fourth flaw is, the abusive psychopathic nature of these 300 warriors.  So much of our media is designed to desensitize us to psychopathic behavior.  At every turn, we are to think that it is acceptable, or worse cool, to act like a psychopath.  In the movie 300, the Spartans physically and mentally abused their young boys to become unemphatic killers.  This brings out the animal instincts that are the worst in humanity.

More military men are dying from suicide than in combat.  Is it any wonder why hundreds of thousands of strong men are suffering with the abuse, violence and guilty consciousness that arises from this mindset?  We have brain washed kids with violence for the power and profit of those that own this paradigm.  The real trauma to humanity is felt on both sides of the destruction we deal on a daily basis.

“Let them march all they want, so long as they pay their taxes.” -Alexander Haig

The fifth flaw is that this is another collective effort against a collective problem.  These guys cannot seem to help themselves to put themselves at the head of a collective they run, as they put all of the risk on to those that listen to their orders.  This is not only obvious in these bloggers selling coins with a mint that is fraught with risk, but even Adam Cokesh planned armed march into Washington D.C.  This plan is an obvious publicity attempt to further enrich Adam Cokesh, but even Alex Jones can’t even get behind it.

“Fool me once, shame on … shame on you. Fool me… You can’t get fooled again!” – George Bush

The final flaw is that they must think that we are either greedy or stupid.  It is insane or insulting to think that they are ever going to find success ever again in this very small silver community without admitting and correcting the past.  People supported the Silver Bullet and the Silver Shield because of the message.  They no longer need to deal with the risk, awful customer service and shoddy quality of the mint.  Especially because yours truly, who got this thing all started, is left empty handed.

The Silver Bullet Silver Shield is about empowering yourself and walk away from the toxic things in your life.  The wheels of justice grind slowly, but the individual withdrawing support is final.  I appreciate all of the hundreds of emails, comments and conversations of support and I am confident that I will be able to pick up right where I left off with better partners and momentum.

I understand that I only have one name and I have done everything in my power to protect it and others that have trusted me.  If the Mulligan Mint, and those involved in this drama, have any shot at any success in the future, it would be in their best interest to make everyone whole and move on.  I would have nothing to say anymore about this, if that was the case.

Interesting side note: The Mulligan Mint was named after Midas Mulligan from Atlas Shrugged.  The irony is that before Midas shut down his bank, he made sure all people were made whole.

I am still waiting.

Update 15: The Mulligan Mint Has Gone Rogue

The Mulligan Mint has broken off all mediation talks and are planning on stealing my next 4 designs.

DO NOT PARTICIPATE IN THIS CRIME.

I will be releasing my first YouTube video and proceeding with my pending litigation now that all talks have ended.

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Update 16: Honest Men and Thieves video released

 

Update 17: Desperate, Delusional, Idiots

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It seems the latest actions from the Mulligan Mint are best described by the hundreds of emails I got over the past 24 hours as desperate, delusional, idiots.  The  insanity of Rob Gray claiming, “co-founder of Silver Bullet Silver Shield” reeks of desperation.

I wrote the Silver Bullet and the Silver Shield February 25th, 2011.  The article was read by over 400,000+ people and translated into 7 different languages.  It was the reason I got to meet David Morgan and it was hailed by Jason Hommel as “The BEST article written on silver in Ten Years!”

I then went on to create 6 1/2 hours in 45+ videos on YouTube starting January 24th 2012.  The Silver Bullet Silver Shield videos were seen by over 1.8 million people world wide.  All of this while Rob Gray was probably selling water Ionizers or copper coins at carnivals.

It is my success that Rob sought to leverage to his own  personal fortune.  My brand, my ideas, my designs, my contacts, and my reputation.  That is why he contacted me to write his opening statement for Ron Paul August 2012.  He has no ideas of his own and only seeks to ensnare others into his trap.

Screen-Shot-2013-04-18-at-12.28.44-PM-150x78 I am the ONLY Copyright Owner and that is on tens of thousands Certificate of Authenticity they sent out.

I am the designer of all of all of the Silver Bullet Silver Shield medallions.

I am the creator of the Silver Bullet Silver Shield articles, videos, DVDs, and silver medallions.

Rob can ignore reality, but like Ayn Rand said , “You cannot ignore the consequences of ignoring reality.”

I once asked Rob Gray what he wanted to be when he got older.  He told me that he wanted to “be a billionaire.”  I  thought that was weird asked him why?  His response was, “because I am smarter than everyone else.”  This is the first time that I really started to ask myself what have I gotten myself into.

This claim of Rob Gray “co-founding” Silver Bullet Silver Shield is almost as insane as another delusional psychopath, Al Gore, when he claimed to invent the Internet.

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BTW Do dickheads always wear their hats like this?

IMG_7227While Rob is a psychopath that does what comes naturally to him, the person I am MOST disappointed is Will Lehr aka. Silver Willy.  He was one of the first Silver Shield Group members and I have been nothing but supportive of Will. I even helped him get this job at the Mulligan Mint.  I have given him ample opportunity to make things right and that he was only staying around until he got the customers fulfilled and me paid.  Now that both of those are dead issues, he is now complicit is stealing my designs and brand and deceiving the public into thinking that Silver Bullet Silver Shield back to the way it was.

Will Lehr is empowering something he knows to be very wrong and perhaps a few emails or phone calls will convince him to man up and walk away. Will Lehr <will@coinsforthecause.com>  I don’t think a lot of people will trusting Will anyway since he is now know as Slick Willy.

Here is a Children’s Cancer Charity Auction video I did with Will when he was at another place he hated.

http://youtu.be/uFe8DBdNkrw

Update 18: Are You A Sellout?

“And what do you benefit if you gain the whole world but lose your own soul?” -Matthew 16:26

It must be crunch time at the Mulligan Mint since they are going to jump the gun and launch MY Freedom Girl and Slave Queen today, a full 4 days in advance of their previous launch date.  They have stolen my designs and perhaps today they will see that they have sold the only thing that is truly worth anything, their reputation.   I had the biggest bloggers wait for months for their affiliate commissions as the tried to fix the books.  Do not be tempted to try and make a quick buck you will probably never see, promoting thieves.

Again, anyone promoting or supporting the Mulligan Mint in this criminal effort, should be shunned from this community.

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Update 19: Mulligan Mint Implosion Contest

Mulligan Mint implosion contestIn the middle of all of this drama I thought it might be fun to have a contest where I can give away all of the silver Rob gave me when I met him in Washington D.C. for Ron Paul’s Congressional Testimony last summer.

All entries will be posted in the comment section by the first to answer to the questions below.

1. Whoever guesses the day the Mulligan Mint closes for good, will receive my 5 oz Lakota Proof round numbered “300” on the side.  This round was used by Rob Gray in his congressional testimony and was held by Ron Paul himself.

2. Whoever guesses when the day that Free Lakota Bank closes for good, will receive 4 1 oz. Proof Lakota rounds.

3. Whoever guesses the day that the first State or Federal agency or tax authority raids the Mulligan Mint, will receive 3 1oz. Proof Andrew Jackson rounds.  (Two can play the irony game.)

4. Whoever guesses the day that Will Lehr quits/fired from the Mulligan Mint, will receive 2 1oz. Proof Ludwig von Mises rounds with the words “Tu Ne Cede Malis” or do not give in to evil.

5. Whoever has the highest rated comment on the Honest Men and Thieves video, will receive a 1 oz. BU Andrew Jackson round.

6. Whoever guesses the day Rob Gray flees the country to Singapore, will receive a 1 oz. Rob Gray copper round business card with his own personal narcissistic, vanity phone number on it that we can call looking for him, 855-Rob-Gray.

The Grand Prize is for whoever guesses the day that I get all of my customers fulfilled, my dies, my URL, my silver, my money that I am owed and this entire drama ends, will receive a 3 oz triple stacked 2012 Trivium in a cracked die collar.  This symbolizes how the Silver Bullet and the Silver Shield built the Mulligan Mint and how it will ultimately break it’s back. 

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Update 20: It’s a Trap!

It looks like they plan on launching today.  Like I warned all of the other bloggers, future sales will only go to bailing out the previous people who bought into this. This needs to end, DO NOT BUY ANYTHING FROM THE MULLIGAN MINT.

Update 21: The Original Email That Started The Silver Bullet Silver Shield coin.

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I have the entire email chain from start to finish of my ideas, for my designs, for my coins ,with my brand, backed by my reputation and effort in the silver community.    I am the one that came up with the designs, elements, layout, symbolism, message, branding and so forth.  Any false claims on my work will be met with litigation and public scrutiny.

Update 22: Tell Rob Gray I said, “Hi”

In what will no doubt be his last public appearance, Rob Gray will be at the Metals & Minerals Investment Conference in New York, May 13-14.  I would love to know the silver community’s response to his arrogant presence given the fact that he has now crossed the line and not only stolen past profits and silver, but now is stealing and producing stolen designs of mine.   Please send me any video or YouTube links asking Rob to explain himself and his actions.  Things like, how is he the co-founder of Silver Bullet Silver Shield?  Or how he thinks my copyrighted work is his?  Or if he owns Free Lakota Bank?  Are Free Lakota Bank’s depositors money used for personal ventures? Or if he needs any tax advice?  Don’t expect him to flinch since these guys swim in their own self delusion, but it is very helpful for people to see the insanity.

Update 23: Mulligan Mint is “best in the industry!”

Speaking of delusion, watch “Why The Mulligan Mint”for a good laugh.  Rob Gray actually says that the Mulligan Mint has the turn around times that are the “best in the industry!”  This only 20 seconds after the head of production said that they weren’t and they show that little toy caster that snails out silver as slow as anything I have ever seen.   We can also forget about the epic delays from day 1 that all of us have experienced, or the shoddy quality or awful customer service or that they can steal your designs if you make something that really sells.  You can forget about leaving a comment since they would not want people to laugh too hard.  You can feel free to laugh at it here though in our growing comment section.

Update 24: Silver Gold Bull, Silver Doctors, Provident Metals And Many Other SBSS Retailers Will Not Support The Criminal Relaunch Of My Designs

I am very happy to hear that the majority of the former SBSS retail partners will NOT be supporting the Criminal Relaunch Of My Designs. is a huge vote in confidence from the customers that made this decision very easy for these retailers.  The out pouring of support for my claims is only icing on the cake for these professional retailers break ties with a mint that has clearly shown that they cannot deliver on time, cannot produce quality products and cannot properly support the customer service.

There is no question that I am the creative force behind all of the designs on the Silver Bullet Silver Shield series.  Anyone that illegally profits off of my work and supporting the ridiculous claims of the Mulligan Mint will face both publicly and legally prosecuted.  The entire silver community is watching who will seek to risk their reputation and customers money for false promises.  Especially since these relaunched coins were supposed to be limited in nature.  Producing more of these designs, like Ben Bernanke, only seeks to destroy the value of what needs to be protected.

With the now 45 new designs Heidi Wastweet and I are planning to launch, there is much more abundance coming from us.

Thank you for the REAL support you are all offering.

 Update 25: Important Revelations

After weeks of hiding behind paid or invested shills, Rob Gray is finally answering some questions himself.

RRobi31729 on YouTube got and exclusive video interview with Rob Gray at last week’s Metals Conference in New York where he got some very good revelations about what is going on.

I would like to give my shot by shot analysis of his explanations and let you decide.

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2:00 He asks who is the designer of the coins and Rob cleverly answers that Heidi Wastweet is the sculptor (sculptress) knowing full well that I designed everything.

3:00 When asked about their relationship to me Rob nervously flicks his face and simply says that he partnered with me.

3:30 When asked about moving to Singapore, Rob responds that they are in fact planning on opening a second operation in Singapore.  This is very important because one of the things that made me end this relationship is the fact that while his Mulligan Mint in Dallas was shut down for weeks with a 92,000 ounce backlog, he was off gallivanting in Singapore trying to raise more money to start another mint in Singapore.  He was not doing jack about the customers he left hanging in Dallas while he was staying at $500 a night hotels, half way around the world.

And now that he has just burned 95% of his retail sales to the ground by his actions, why does he even need the capacity in Dallas, much less in Singapore.  After all who is going to trust the Mulligan Mint with their designs, after they have stolen mine?

While Rob uses the libertarian, ex-patriot rational for leaving the country, the real reason why he is leaving is because he fears his past catching up to him.  I now have information (Update 26) of a former investor of Rob Gray that sued and won a $125,000 judgement!  And that Rob then declared bankruptcy and fled Philadelphia.  I am positive he is going to flee to Singapore as his past catches up to him again. (More on that later in Update 26.)

4:30 Why are you continuing minting Freedom Girl and Slave Queen?  He says that they committed to limited time launches and uses his failure to produce in an adequate fashion as a reason for continuing the unauthorized use of my designs and brand.  The truth is he needs cash and now that it is painfully obvious that his customers have voted for me with the pitiful sales of the relaunch, time and cash are closing in.

5:31 How does the Silver Bullet Silver Shield go on without Chris?  He shows the Molon Labe coin and says that Heidi designed it.  Like Obama taking credit for job others created, NO Rob, I did that.   I am the one that came up with the ideas, elements, wording and the original art on it.  And then shows the Cannabis medallion that I also designed and first showed publicly in my Honest Men and Thieves video at 8:53

6:22 I will never come back and expose myself, my designs and my reputation to Rob Gray or the Mulligan Mint again. The only rational discussion I am interested in is getting back what was stolen from me.

8:56 When asked about quality, it is simply too little too late.  For 7 months we all dealt with horrible quality and now?! he does what he should have been doing all along?

Rob says that people should send their coins back and that they would pay for shipping. Yeah, like anyone is going to trust sending these coins back to a Mint that took months to deliver these shoddy coins in the first place!

9:33 Rob insults the customers by mocking them when it is clearly shoddy quality that even my 4 year old son can see. I personally have kept all of my coins, because they are all unique, but that is no way to run a mint.
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1:55 Rob asks for the customers to be reasonable and rational.  The only reasonable and rational thing to do at this point is to never do business again with the Mulligan Mint

3:33 When asked why he has not responded to my allegations, Rob tries to take the high road as he stands in front of all of my designs he stole.  The insanity of that fact is felt by anyone who knows what is going on.  Forget about the hundreds of thousands in profits and silver…

3:56 “We have a partnership and he has some responsibilities.”  I fulfilled my end of this deal by creating the hottest selling designs and generating the marketing to promote them.  (All of this he admits later in the video.)  When Rob Gray and the Mulligan Mint failed over and over again to do their part of the deal to produce and fulfill, I ended it.  I have no commitment to the Mulligan Mint, especially now that they stole my money, silver and designs.

4:28 “Tens of thousands of customers” Is that why you cannot sell anything anymore?  The relaunch has failed because they never addressed the reason why people made it successful in the first place.  People in the silver community are not stupid.  They walked away from the Debt and Death paradigm and they are not going to put up with the same behavior inside this small community.

4:51 “I don’t know what Chris expects from us?”  Here is what I would expect from you, Rob, deliver the remaining dealer orders that you STILL have not fulfilled, give me what I am owe in terms of profits and silver, turn over or destroy the dies, and hand over my SilverBulletSilverShield.com website.

I also do not actually expect you to do anything of that sort, which is why my lawsuit will be on your desk this week.   I might also be releasing all of the information about the past in Philadelphia Rob thought he ran away from including…

  • The investor lawsuit Rob Gray lost which led to his bankruptcy.
  • What happened with Rob’s grandmother Anna’s last will and testament.
  • The trail of destruction of companies, investors, employees, and vendors Rob left behind.  TyentUSA_Exposed
  • And much more…

5:40 “There is not one customer waiting for orders.”  While retail orders have been fulfilled, there are still thousands of ounces still owed to wholesalers and yours truly.  Once you see the past in Philadelphia Rob has, you will see the pattern of abuse is at the investor, employee and vendor level.  Why piss off a $100 customer, when there are bigger fish?

6:24 “We have partnership with the largest refiner in the western hemisphere.” NTR-OPM is now the largest silver refiner, not Republic Metals.

“Chris walked 2 days after we signed that deal knowing full well that we have reserves of silver.”  Rob had talked for months about the deal with Republic Metals, but he could not provide proper accounting to satisfy them as far as I last heard.  Heck I never saw a straight set of book because he never hired a proper accountant for fear that someone would hand over the books to the government.   And after what has happened now, I would be shocked to learn that Republic went ahead to supply silver on the arm like he wished for.  Perhaps a few emails into Republic Metals will clarify that…  info@republicmetalscorp.com

7:01 “Encourage Chris to sit down like a gentleman and work things out.”  I entered into two mediations with two people we both respect and both times Rob would not make good on his past debts to me, before we even talked about any future possibilities.   All he was interested in is getting me further into debt to him and never making me whole.

I even offered twice to forgo all profits owed to me just to get my silver, dies and URL and end the insult to injury.  As a part of the mediation, I even offered to take down all postings and send a mass email to my 40,000 person email list and 36,000 person YouTube community stating that I no longer had any claims against Rob, if he returned what was mine.  Twice he rejected that generous offer.  Now I have a slam dunk case and will no longer negotiate.

7:35 Going forward is Chris continuing to get “his” (profits)?  Rob says only after I come back to the table and stop slamming him here, will I get what is owed.  Again, that was part of the mediation that once I was made whole I would take down all videos and articles related to this subject.  He seems to not grasp the concept of what came first and what needs to be done first.  He stole my money, silver and designs long before I did one article or video speaking the truth about him.  At this point it really does not matter, as the lawsuit will settle this.

7:55 Rob admits that I did my job “awesome” and that he is the one that failed.

8:05 Rob admits that when we first started they were sub contracting out the work to other mints.  This will be very important later on as he will try to claim like I owe him something for the risk he took in starting his mint.  I have no ownership or obligation to the Mulligan Mint or the investors that knowingly or unknowingly funded this operation.

“The mint they subcontracted to went out of business.”  What Rob fails to say is that mint was Old Glory Mint was involved in a $100 million PONZI SCHEME!

8:38 See the millions of dollars in facility.  The question is not if there is machinery or silver there, it is whose money is it and do they know that it is used for Rob Gray’s personal ventures.  Or how many investors bought into mint.  I must have talked to dozens of people that said Rob offered them 5% to 10% of the mint for as low as $80,000 to as high as $250,000.  I wonder how many took him up on that offer and if at the end of the day that number adds up to 100%?

9:21 On moving to Asia… He wants to have all of his “hot” technology shipped to Asia.  Earlier he said he was going to have his extrusion press across the street in Dallas, now he wants it in Asia?  I believe that he is just looking for another “investor” to fund that dream.  After all why build another mint in Asia just to ship silver strip half way around the world to do all of the work out here?  Especially when he can do it in Dallas and there are plenty of companies that would do it quicker here.  And I highly doubt that the “deal” with Republic Metals would have come through on that business model.  Or that the Dallas Mint will stay in business one day after a mint opens in Singapore.

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3:22 “We can do 150,000 ounces a month and want to get it up to 4 to 5 million.”  Is that why it took the Mulligan Mint months to deliver 92,000 ounces?  And whatever capacity he may have, they are certainly not going to sell that much.

“Solid distribution network” most of the retailers and customers I have spoken to would never go through the long wait times, shoddy production and awful customer service, ever again.

“Chris will be excited to see the world’s largest precious metals dealer will be carrying Freedom Girl.”  If Apmex does decide to carry Freedom Girl now, after they wisely sat on the sideline not willing to risk their reputation with an unproven Mulligan Mint, that would be the worst decision they make. 

First, they would now be involved in my lawsuit.  I am the copyright owner and Rob Gray and the Mulligan Mint do not have my permission to continue to use my designs, brand or trademarks.  I would be forced to include anyone that is profiting in this continued abuse of my copyrights.

Secondly, the customer base would let them know immediately what is really going on behind Rob’s slick pitch.  I don’t know what Rob told them, but there are thousands of people who have read my article from 2011 and the videos from 2012 and my continued publicity for my coins that know full well what is really going on.

I would be more than happy to Apmex to the other dealers who have already made their wise decision to shun this criminal behavior of stealing designs, money and silver.  This silver community is too small for this to last long.

I can also provide contacts with the multiple state and federal investigators that are looking into this matter.

You can let your voice be heard.

info@APMEX.com
purchasing@APMEX.com

5:02 About Chris’s “goals”.  Rob is constantly suggesting like I have some ulterior motive like starting another mint and that is my “real” reason for this breakup.   I just signed a production agreement with a ISO certified mint to produce the next in the Silver Bullet Silver Shield series.  I have NO investment in this decade old mint nor do I wish to.  I have no interest in any investment before the dollar collapse, other than silver.  My only REAL reason for this break up is exactly what I have been stating all along in this now 10,000 words article about walking away with what is owed.

Going forward, I will not even have my own retail operation to sell my silver.   This will be a huge boon to those that wisely decide which side they are on.  I will have SBSS Authorized Retailers with major online retailers to handle all retail sales.  Rob’s business model actually competes against the online retailers where the grand majority of the retail sales went through.  Knowing that Rob only has four more stolen designs of mine and I have 45+ designs coming with Heidi Wastweet and a proven ISO certified mint production,  I think the choice will be easy for any online retailer to make.

5:16 Rob confirms again the major failures he had on his end of the bargain.

6:39 Rob admits that Silver Bullet and Silver Shield was not his idea despite his statement that he is co-founder and displaying HIS famous Freedom Girl, Slave Queen and Debt and Death sculpts and dies.

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7:00 “He has asked us to destroy the dies and sculpts that are worth hundreds of thousands of dollars.”  No they are worth a few thousand and were part of the production process they failed to fulfill.  They are only worth more because of the value I created and I no longer want stolen from me.  I did not want those sculpts and dies to fall into the wrong hands besides Rob.  Now it is too late….

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Update to the update:  This has been removed off of the site. Geez even the Chinese took it down before Rob Gray and the Mulligan Mint.

7:41 “Chris has got some work to do to get back to the table.”  The only work I have to do is have my lawyer get what is mine.  Hopefully he wont flee Dallas like he did in Philadelphia.  I did not want the escrow, because I already offered to forgo all profits he owes me in return to turn over what is mine.

He keeps talking about continuing a partnership… by not only stealing from that partner, but then adding insult to injury to steal his designs and future profits.

9:18 “We never force anyone to do anything they don’t want to do.” This seconds after he says that I need to take him to court instead of rightfully handing over what is mine. Some voluntary relationship…

9:51 “Anything you try to build and growing something, there is always some out there trying to take it away from you like in this situation and it is a shame.” Almost as ironic as when he said that “There could be no fair competition between honest men and thieves.”

 

Update 26: The Skeletons Come Out Of The Closet

I believe Karma only works when people speak out.  God cannot do His works if people sit on their hands and wait.

This week I got extremely interesting email…

Dear Chris;

My name is Glenn A. Tener and have known Rob Gray for the last 15 years ever since I was a partner and investor in his technology businesses in the Philadelphia area 10 years ago.  He stole money from me and countless of others including friends, employees, investors, vendors and others.  I sued him in court and had a judgment on him and his companies for over $125,000! Below is an email that I sent him.  He is a true psychopath and has no regard for anybody but himself and will stop at nothing to get what he wants no matter who he hurts.  He definitely belongs in jail.  You can call me at 215.***.**** and I could tell you a lot of information about his dealings in Philadelphia that could help you.

Sincerely;
Glenn A. Tener

 

From: Glenn A. Tener [mailto:******@*******.net]
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 12:31 PM
To: ‘rgray@opencurrency.com’
Cc: ‘*******@yahoo.com’
Subject: FW: ROB GRAY DONE

Congratulations Rob!  You are still FUCKING people out of their money!  You are doing the same thing in Dallas that you did in Philadelphia 15 years ago!  LOL.  You idiot!  When are you going to learn!  Jail for you is certain and imminent.  I gave them my full cooperation and help of course (see the email and link below that was sent to me).  After knowing you for last 15 years you have not changed a bit.  You are still a LIAR, CHEATER, THIEF, AND CON ARTIST.

I will do you a favor and forward this email to all of your “friends”, former employees, investors/victims from Philadelphia that you stole money from.  I am sure they will be very happy for you.  Good luck in jail.

Your good friend
Glenn

 

From: Jack ****** [mailto:********@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 9:48 AM
To:******@*******.net
Subject: ROB GRAY DONE

This could be your chance to finally get him…..

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After my first conversation with Glenn, I was left aghast at the level of abuse at play here.   We are definitely dealing with someone that has a pattern of abuse that goes back to his earliest relationships.  This pattern continues over and over again with different faces and places without any regard of the damage done.  I have also had conversations since then that would leave even the most paid off shill will not willing to associate with Rob Gray.

If anyone has more information on Rob’s past in Philadelphia they can contact me at DTOMsola (at) Yahoo.com or feel free to publish yourself in the comment section below.  There are a great many parties highly interested in this information that would establish a pattern of abuse long established before I ever got in contact with Rob Gray.  This information can be kept confidential or public, used in pending litigation and/or forwarded to investigators.

Now that I am done trying to mediate with this guy, I will use any information to make sure justice is done this time.

 Update 27: Seriously?!

The latest failure to come from the Mulligan Mint is Bix Weir’s coin. 

This looks like a Charlie Brown character loving the Fed and the US Government.

Bix, there are no benevolent bankers and there are no good guys coming to save us…

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Screen Shot 2013-05-21 at 12.36.21 PMUpdate 28: The Skeletons Speak Out

Earlier in Update 26, I got an email from Glenn Tener about Rob’s dark past in Philadelphia.  I have been speaking to so many people from there, that I really don’t know where to begin.  I can tell you that I have heard some stories that left me aghast and at a loss for words.  Rest assured, I am positive that ALL of my suspicious are now totally justified.  I don’t plan on releasing all of the information I have, because most people have already made up their minds.  I will be using the majority of  information in any cases that arise out of this drama.  (If anyone has any more information about Rob Gray’s dark past, please email me at DTOMsola (at) yahoo.com.  You can also post anonymously in the comment section below.)

Here are the public records that were forwarded to me.  Please understand that this only represents a small portion of what happened there.  Most victims I spoke to chose to turn the other cheek and move on.  Others sought justice outside the law.  Glenn and the parties below, did not.  Like myself, Glenn went after this out of a sense for justice and not just to get money.  Glenn was not ultimately able to collect on any judgements he was awarded, because Rob declared bankruptcy when he fled to Texas.

Rob Gray has moved through the technology, water ionizer, hypnosis and now the metals industries with all the same complaints.  The faces and places my change, but the racketeering is all the same.

Racketeering Particularly, the potential problem may be caused by the same party that offers to solve it, although that fact may be concealed, with the specific intent to engender continual patronage for this party.  Anytime money is owed, there is always the promise of a greater payback if they can just continue the relationship.  This is why Rob wanted me to sign on for the next 4 coin launches that he stole  from me and THEN he promised to pay.  Twice, I even offered to forgo ALL money owed to me just to make a clean break.  Now I see that this pattern is well established.  One former victim said that he was amazed to see that I refused to play along with Rob’s pattern and that gave him confidence to speak out now.  He felt so guilty for having being taken in this matter and all of the warning signs he ignored.  He said that he wishes that he was more aggressive in pursuing Rob so that others would have been spared.

The Modus Operendi is always the same and in the end the victims get “nothing”.  (Hmmm sounds familiar…)

Please take time to read the complaints and you make your decision.

Listen to all.

Follow none.

(Side note: It is still amazing to me that the first day I met Rob Gray, we were in Congress…)

Entities

Entity Details – SILICON EAST

Entity Details – PMP TECHNOLOGIES (The inside joke was that it was short for pimp.)

Entity Details – AIRBORN DATA

Complaints

TENER COMPLAINT–  Credit Cards, Corvettes, $800 a night Hotels, Town House Furniture, Promised Percentages of Businesses, etc.

BRANDYWINE COMPLAINT– Unpaid Rent and Taxes

DATALINK COMPLAINT– Vendor Lawsuit

SELECT BUSINESS SYSTEMS COMPLAINT – Failure to Pay Loan

McCALLION STAFFING COMPLAINT -Failure to Pay Staffing

Cases

Caption Plaintiff
TENER, GLENN A
Caption Defendant
SILICON EAST CONSULTING LLC
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Caption Plaintiff
HIGH SCHWARTZ ROBERTS ETAL LLP
Caption Defendant
GRAY, ROBERT
(Rob even screwed his attorney out of money here!)
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Caption Plaintiff
PENNA DEPT OF REV
Caption Defendant
SILICON E CONSULT LLC
http://webapp.montcopa.org/PSI/Viewer/Detail.aspx?oq=aWQ9MjAwMDEzNDY0JmVudGl0eT1DYXNl

Caption Plaintiff
BRANDYWINE OPERAT PARTSP LP
Caption Defendant
SILICON EAST COAST CONSULT LLC
http://webapp.montcopa.org/PSI/Viewer/Detail.aspx?oq=aWQ9MjAwMjA5NDQ5JmVudGl0eT1DYXNl

Caption Plaintiff
PENNA UNEMP COMP FUND
Caption Defendant
SILICON EAST CONSULTING LLC
http://webapp.montcopa.org/PSI/Viewer/Detail.aspx?oq=aWQ9MjAwMzA0NzA2JmVudGl0eT1DYXNl

Caption Plaintiff
DATALINK ASSOC
Caption Defendant
SILICON EAST CONSULTING LLC
http://webapp.montcopa.org/PSI/Viewer/Detail.aspx?oq=aWQ9MjAwMTI1MDI4JmVudGl0eT1DYXNl
http://webapp.montcopa.org/PSI/Viewer/Detail.aspx?oq=aWQ9MjAwMjAwODUzJmVudGl0eT1DYXNl

Caption Plaintiff
PENNA UNEMP COMP FUND
Caption Defendant
SILICON EAST CONSULTING LLC
http://webapp.montcopa.org/PSI/Viewer/Detail.aspx?oq=aWQ9MjAwMzA1NTIxJmVudGl0eT1DYXNl
 

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Update 29- You CANNOT Make This Stuff Up!

Here is the first of three videos I got of Rob Gray doing hypnotism.  This is a News 11 Dallas station investigating Rob Gray.  He studied neuro linguistic programming (NLP) to manipulate people for a living.  Watch the self proclaimed “mind mechanic” at work.

“Feel. Don’t think.” – Rob “The Mind Mechanic” Gray

Update 30: The Further Insult to Injury.

As if stealing my money and my Slave Queen and Freedom Girl was not enough, as predicted, they are going to steal AG 47 and Cannabis.

You don’t have to wait to see it or buy it from them. 

I will be releasing the updated designs they DON’T HAVE in June.

Here is what they have illegally coming out.

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bernard_silver_summitbUpdate 31- Bernard von NotHaus of Liberty Dollar says Rob Gray , “Stole my life’s work!”

(I found this article from Bernard von NotHaus and his description of a young, broke Rob Gray that sought to take his idea for his own.  Do we start to see a pattern here.  He is a parasite.)

I take no pleasure in disclosing this sordid story. But the time has come to tell the real facts that define the differences between the American Liberty Dollar (ALD) and the American Open Currency Standard (AOCS).

In the March 7, 2012 issue of “Director’s Update!” by AOCS Director Rob Gray contains the usual ra-ra and announces “proud to announce that we’re back on track” without ever noting why they were off track and concludes by encouraging everyone “to join us in our mission to restore honest trade.”

“Restore honest trade”? Honesty, particularly in the field of “honest money” is so important, let’s start at the beginning.

To the best of my memory, some time in 2007 Gray started calling me about being a part of the Liberty Dollar. Somehow he had heard about the new gold and silver currency and was all fired up to become a RCO. No… he wanted to be the best RCO… he wanted to be the SUPER RCO… he wanted to become the National Currency Director and take my place when I retired in 2008. Unfortunately, he didn’t even have the money to be a RCO. As he tried his best to talk his way into the Liberty Dollar organization, he explained that his hypnotism business was failing, he had a wife and two children and needed a new way to make money.

Gray met me on three occasions while I was on tour, always the nice energetic young man with a lot of salesmanship, trying to find a way to participate without any money. Finally he sprang for the $100 starter kit and eventually Gray somehow became a RCO in Texas. He quickly threw himself into the Liberty Dollar with the expressed goal of taking my position when I retired. He and his wife and two children even drove from Dallas to Los Angeles for my retirement.

But for all his words, salesmanship and well intending goals to be the SUPER RCO, Gray’s performance didn’t match the other RCO’s successes. Undaunted, Gray pushed to be my successor and the National Currency Director. Unfortunately for Gray, he lacked any support within the Liberty Dollar organization. Every leader must have the support and hopefully the loyalty of the organization. In fact, everybody was opposed to Gray.

Ultimately, I named Dan Priest, a RCO in California, to be the new Executive Director of the Liberty Dollar because as a former executive with Microsoft and appeared to be better qualified. Unfortunately, Priest quickly showed he had oversold his abilities and beset with family problems at home, he quickly self-destructed.

Meanwhile, Gray would not be deterred. If he could not be the National Currency Director of the Liberty Dollar, second best would be a competitor and he created the American Open Currency Standard. Initially, Gray praised my work and acknowledged me for introducing private currency to him. As he put it, “Bernard energized my passion for honest money.” But he soon found it more advantageous business wise to bash me that ultimately materialized in his April 15 article Liberty Dollar’s arrogance ends in federal ‘guilty’ verdict that was the only negative article about my conviction, not issued by the government. As Gray states in his subtitle, “A title like that requires a LOT of explanation and background. [INDEED!]

The irony of this tragedy is that if I had appointed Gray as the Executive Director of the Liberty Dollar organization, he would certainly had been more successful than Dan Priest, and would have been arrested with me.

Although that article is a low point of Gray’s attitude about the Liberty Dollar, it did not stop Gray from flat out lying. In an era of dishonest government money and Liberty Dollar’s quest to re-establish honest sound money, I find it appalling that at the end of Gray’s latest “Update” of March 7, 2012, under Featured Articles, he features an article on “Face Value” and states: “I invite you to take a moment and read our latest AOCS article update for an in-depth overview of the AOCS Face Value, why it exists, and the formulas we developed to set the suggested exchange rate between AOCS Approved Currencies and fiat currencies.

Rob Gray did not develop those formulas. He did not even write the text in that “Face Value” article. He copied my text and my currency formulas that I developed over 24 years of research and development from 1974 to 1998 when I introduced the Liberty Dollar – the world’s first private, 100% value based, market driven currency designed to move with the metals market. He stole my life’s work. And to make matters worse, in another article he has the audacity to state, “As I wrap up this article (regarding the Liberty Dollar) and evaluate if it reached its goal, I contemplate whether it’s best to stay quiet or to point out what I consider to be valuable insight to help frame what’s really at stake in the case of the Liberty Dollar. In the freedom movement… I do not believe deception or lying is a valid method to bring people to the truth.”

Well I certainly agree that deception or lying is not a valid method to bring people to the truth. And that is doubly true in the honest money movement. I don’t trust anybody who lies to me. And neither should you. The Liberty Dollar has proven itself to be an honest currency.

Editor Note: My work has been documented in countless articles, 162 monthly newsletters from October 1998 and Chapter 48 of my 2003 book: The Liberty Dollar Solution to the Federal Reserve that details the move up from the $10 Silver Base to the $20 Silver Base. For historically purposes to set the record straight: Please note the 2006 edition of the Liberty Dollar model currency schedule is HERE. Gold Schedule of Bases and Move Up Points is HERE. Silver Schedule of Bases and Move Up Points is HERE.

Contrary to Gray lies, I fully support many other activist efforts who use the formulas that I developed. Four noteworthy efforts are: Joshua Deatherage’s Community Currency in central Missouri, Peter Affolter’s Aspen Dollar, Dave Gillie’s Ron Paul Silvers and Ron Helwig’s Shire Silver that is featured in Article 8 below.

Update 32: Why Silver Willie Quit The Mulligan Mint

By Silver Shield, on June 10th, 2013

First the Sales Director of the Mulligan Mint, Gus Demos leaves, then me, then Director of Customer Service, Laura Curry, now Silver Willie himself leaves…

Hear Will Lehr’s behind the scenes look at the drama with Silver Bullet Silver Shield and the Mulligan Mint and why he quit last Wednesday.

I will be . . . → Read More: Why Silver Willie Quit The Mulligan Mint: Update 4

Update 33: Bernard von NotHaus Speaks Out

By Silver Shield, on June 12th, 2013

bernard_silver_summitbBy: Bernard non NotHaus

Admittedly the story of Rob Gray, his brother David, the American Open Currency Standard (AOCS) and the Mulligan Mint et al the entities is a long, sorry tale. And as it is the duty of all participants in a self regulated industry such as “private minting” to protect their industry from fraud, I sound this alarm and encourage everyone involved with any of the entities listed below to take prudent action to protect their interest and their money:

Free Lakota Bank, AOCS (American Open Currency Standard), Mulligan Mint, SLV Properties (Silver Properties), AG Logistics (Silver Logistics), Coins for the Cause, Silver Bullet Silver Shield (owned by Chris Duane but claimed by Rob Gray), TSP Mint (The Survival Podcast Mint), AOCS Mint, Open Currency, Lakota Exchange, AG Trading post, ICBA: (International Commodity Banking Association) that does not exist. Need another name to keep the ponzi running? Just create another entity or a new organization like the ICBA.
Continue reading Crooked Minter Tarnishing Private Silver Reputation?

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Nope… NO SILVER HERE!

Update 34: Missing 40,000 Ounces of Silver From Surprise Audit of Republic Metal’s Silver At The Mulligan Mint?

Details are still coming in, but it has been confirmed by three sources that last week there was a surprise audit by Republic Metals at the Mulligan Mint that has shown 40,000 ounces of silver is missing!

Here are the confirmed details…

Rob was summoned to Miami last week to the Republic Metals headquarters.  Once he arrived he was escorted by two security personnel into an office for the next 7 hours.

Meanwhile in Dallas… a team of auditors and security personnel entered the Mulligan Mint.  All employees were sent home leaving David Gray alone to account for the tens of thousands of ounces of silver owned by Republic.

I have to admit, I love how Republic rolls…   Separating the criminal mastermind from the naive brother that is on the personal hook for all of this fraud, was just classic!

The end of the audit was originally reported to be missing 20,000 ounces, but now is estimated to be 40,000 ounces of silver!

The Gray Brothers now have 60 days to come up with the missing silver. 

Knowing that Rob is going to Freedom Fest today in Las Vegas, I guarantee he is going to be looking for “investors” to bail him out of this mess.

If you are at Freedom Fest, be sure to ask Rob how things are going? 😉

While I am not shocked by this fraud, given the fact since I have had over $500,000 stolen from me, I am sure a lot of people who took Rob’s side are shocked.   😉

The biggest fraud yet to be exposed is the 5 year old Rob Gray owned Free Lakota Bank and the estimated $2 million in silver deposits…

 Update 35: The Mulligan Mint Is DEAD!

$500,000 in missing profits, 71,473 ounces in missing silver, 3 Months, 2 Lawsuits, 1 DEAD Mint.

http://youtu.be/DYMj74OcrUU

 

940 comments to Update 35: I Have Severed ALL Ties With Rob Gray and Mulligan Mint

  • Chad

    Well, I just got my scale in and went through all the coins I bought. I normally don’t like to handle my coins and just quickly glance at the first one in the tube to make sure it is what it’s supposed to be and then verify the quantity. I can say that I feel like an idiot now as one of my Trivium coins is not even stamped on one side. The Trivium side is missing but the SBSS side was stamped. I just felt good about the cause and didn’t really even think about questioning the coins before now. I usually just stack Eagles for whatever year it is at the time I purchase and never had any problems before. I guess I just assumed it would be the same with these coins.

    I bought 10 coins of each, as it was what I could afford, and I figured I could put together 10 sets when it was all said and done. I do love the Freedom Girl and the Slave Queen the best from an aesthetic point of view, but there are several quality issues on many of my coins. Most of them are scuffed up like crazy or the polishing on the ridges and image have dull spots or black spots. I would say I probably have one solid clean coin for each run.

    1 Debt and Death – Underweight – (this run was clearly the worst quality)
    2 Trivium – Underweight – (this run’s quality wasn’t much better)
    1 Trivium – correct weight but missing the Trivium pressed side
    5 Slave Queen – Underweight (better quality in the run compared to the previous two runs)
    1 Freedom Girl – Underweight (this run was the best quality out of all of the runs)

    After reading through several of these posts, I realize that I live 5 minutes down the road from the private airstrip in Plano Texas where it seems our good friend has purchased a new home and the mint address is just in the town south of me. Which might be the reason I actually received my orders compared to many others.

  • annie wade

    from survivalblog.com today:

    The volatility in the precious metals markets is continuing, with some dramatic intra-day swings in spot prices. My long-standing advice has been “buy on a dip day”, but perhaps presently it should be: buy on a dip hour. Once silver resumes its bull charge–past $30 and then the $40 per troy ounce, you will be glad that you “bought low.” OBTW, sales have been very strong for the new American Redoubt .999 fine silver coin. These very attractive 1-ounce coins are produced by Mulligan Mint and and are being sold at a very competitive market price. Because of the huge rush of orders created by the big market dip (down 20% in recent weeks), all of the mints are getting slammed with orders. (Even the U.S. Mint had to suspend some sales.) You can expect at least a five week delay from most mints, at present. Be patient, and keep stacking silver.

  • Just trying to piece together the whole thing here. As I see it, Chris is the reason why the debt and death series got so much momentum. Rob was just lucky to be at the right place and meet Chris. When the mint could not handle the amount of orders flying through the door, among other quality controls, Chris halted sales so the once 5 man mint, now 40 plus man mint could catch up and fulfill orders to SBSS. Rob, being the Alfa male, could not just stop money from coming in, so behind Chris’s back, he continued to sell to dealers, even though he could not keep up. Since Rob already had the profit from the sbss customers, keeping the dealers happy was all Rob wanted to do, since they would be His future bread and butter. Now this is a huge problem, because Chris looks like a liar and his integrity comes into question. On top of the lies and back door deals, silver drops 20% and a supply crunch comes into play at the worst possible time.
    So here is my question, have people begun to get tracking numbers? Is it really the proof blanks that were holding up the sbss orders? Is it possible that Rob is just a business man, rather than a man of his word? A lot of these type men feel the need to lie in order to get ahead. I am told that all orders will be out by May 1st, 2013. Chris, do you think this could possibly be the case?

  • Ted Almeida

    Chris, who now controls the http://www.silverbulletsilvershield.com web site?

  • mars

    Just got a tracking # for 30 freedom girls and 10 slave queens I ordered Feb 25th. Fingers crossed everyone else gets their’s soon.

    P.S. With the severing of Chris and the mint these coins may be worth more in the future. Silver lining?? :)

  • Joe

    So is it ok to purchase them now? I bought from Amagi metals on April 19th. It’s still processing. They say 14-21 day delays in shipments so it’s not into that window yet.

    Should I call them and see if I have other options? If I want freedom girl where should I get that from?

    I hope these aren’t dumb questions, I tried to scan through and I didn’t see any similar ones.

  • joeiq

    keep up the fight.

  • Becky

    I can’t even listen to him. I’ve always thought he was an arrogant, egotistical ass. This video, however, is simply ridiculous. I can’t wait to see his face when you win the lawsuits.

  • Skater

    Just gather a few customers and go for an unannounced tour of the facility to see them working on your orders. Drama won’t get you your silver, or money. Where are all those people that were supposedly hired to process orders? Is the company even still in their building?

  • Paul

    Wow!

    I cannot stand listening to that guy (Adam Kokesh).

    Fortunately, I have never really ordered too many from the Mulligan Mint. I never really trusted them too much since they were so delayed in delivering my silver.

    Here are my favorite online dealers:

    http://www.apmex.com
    http://www.providentmetals.com
    http://www.gainesvillecoins.com
    http://www.coin-rare.com
    http://www.libertycpm.com

    I believe the dollar will collapse by 2018. It will likely start collapsing in 2016.

    Good luck to you all silver enthusiast and the Liberty Loving (Libertarians) Americans.

  • Jeff Lee

    I had no idea what kind of slimeball Adam Kokesh was until I heard his tirade. He obviously has an agenda, because if he was a disinterested party he’d have far less to say. I thought he was respectable…obviously he’s not.

  • DJ

    Chris… make sure you pull down a digital copy of Kokesh’s video.

    It’s apparently evidence. :-)

    What a dope Kokesh is.

  • saspin

    At the end of the day business is business. The beauty of the system is that it is self correcting. When you piss in the stream you can never get it back out. Mulligan Mint has certainly done some serious pissing in the stream and maybe he will survive it, maybe he won’t. I know I won’t be ordering from them and I can imagine he has lost a lot of the customers you brought to him. So where does that leave him when you obviously built his business by bringing your customers to him? Time will tell. I think the biggest thing to come out of this is lessons learned. As I said, business is business. You decided to use someone who hadn’t earned your trust. Not only did you decide to use them, you went full force with them when you had no idea what they were all about. Good life lesson learned, chalk it up to experience and move on. Don’t waste any more time with shoulda coulda woulda, too late for all that crap. And honestly, I think telling people to go the gov’t to complain is hypocritical and unwise on your part. Why? It could unleash a whole shit storm for you that you didn’t even see coming. If you truly practice what you preach then you would be leary of getting the gov’t involved. Unintended consequences my friend. I’m not saying you did anything wrong, but our gov’t system is so corrupt they get one whiff of you and they may just find any reason to shut you down for good in every way. Alls I’m saying is be careful what you wish for.

    • Bob B

      Good comments I couldn’t agree more.

    • RG

      I also got a invitation for coins for the cause webinar last week and I outright went and cancel my subscription to their mailing list and when there was an faq why I was cancelling, I commented “Because you cheated Chris Duane and I dont want any associating with a thief” :)

  • david

    Adam Kokesh’s ‘Hit piece’ with the sales pitch of his own coin at the end. what a douche. the fake ass papers he holds was rob’s blood money to get Kokesh to stay and do coins so he too can make some money. I dont care if Chris makes money. good for him, he deserves it.

    • Silver Shield

      That kind of action comes from arrogance and greed.
      Two things that have no future in the next paradigm.

      • PdBallerina

        Gee..Rob sounds sorry it didn’t work out, Chris…I see they only have one SBSS order left to ship.. :(

  • Frank Onofrio

    I finally got my last order delivered from the Mulligan Mint (Slave Queen medallions with special BU/Proof strike).
    If you do start minting new medallions with your very meaningful designs at another, reputable mint… I’ll probably be ordering them as I already have each of the medallions already made (except for 1 or 2 “members only” strikes). I liked Freedom Girl & Trivium the best, especially the proofs.

    • Grady

      My orders for Slave Queens and Freedom Girls were placed on Feb. 20 and 28. I too was frustrated by all of the broken deadline dates and followed Chris’s recommendations to file complaints with the Better Business Bureau and Texas Attorney General on 4/22. Four days after filing with BBB, Silver Willy called me and we discussed the letter he received from the BBB. He promised shipment by 5/1 and followed through – my order shipped on 5/1 and arrived today, May 3. I do have Willie’s cell phone number if anyone needs it.

  • Charlie

    What a joke this guy Adam is, he’s arrogant, full of himself and bought and paid for to save the mint, which won’t happen. I was laughing all the way through his video. At least Rob could have gotten someone more sincere rather than this joker but I guess Like for Like.

  • moviemat

    Ok people Adam has hacked YouTube you can’t give his video a thumbs down rating only thumbs down.

    I’ve reported it to YouTube through the Flag Video Scam and put my note in, we all need to flag him.

    If he has indeed hacked YouTube and some how disable thumbs down they very well might suspend his account.

    It only takes a second to flag it do it and shut this bastard up.

    Matt

  • JM

    I support Chris Duane. I smell “Fish” by this posting he sounds like a used car salesman. Chris We will stand behind you!!!!

  • Silverfreedom

    Wow, This Adam guy is so lame! He goes on this rant attack on Chris and then plugs his own coin! Copying Chris’s silver coin ideas and even talking about using his designs. He should have saved his plug of his coin until a couple of weeks after his rant then he might of had a chance to con some people, this is just so obvious. He’s like, let me hold up some papers with some numbers on it, see proof of the books. Give me a break. Just so pathetic. I watched Adam a few times, but he was caught doing some other sleazy things, so this just confirms it for me. He is nuts to think that people are not going to see through this. I got interested in silver because of Chris not Mulligan mint!

  • Paul

    We stand by you Chris Duane.

    Rob Gray always seemed like a used car salesman anyway. Rob Gray has too many broken promises to be trusted.

    Chris, you have the heart and the passion for what we believe in. You are not perfect, but none of us are. Therefore, we can relate to you. Your heart is pure and compassionate. I met you personally in the Silver Summit 2012 in Spokane, Washington. You are down to earth. You are easy to approach. You gave a special “To Collectist Problem” (without the s in the Problems). You didn’t have to do that. That showed me that you are a giving person resonating beauty of your bigger self than the silver. I have not ever sold one ounce of silver yet. I have only given the my silver away only to the very special people in my life. What you have done to raise dollars for those two needy family for the special children means a lot to all of us.

    You and your videos has inspired many of us.

    Don’t waste anymore of your energy on Rob Gray and Adam Kokesh. They are not worth your time and energy. Move forward. We believe in your message.

  • I KNEW something was fishy, as NO ARTIST EVER IN HISTORY has ever said “Well, I’ve done a few great works…time to shut it down completely and never create another piece of art ever again.”

    “Laura
    wrote
    yesterday 12:39 (28 hours ago)
    Unfortunately, the Silver Bullet Silver Shield line has been discontinued and there will not be another series. Follow this link – https://www.silverbulletsilvershield.com/dealers – some of them could very possibly still have Slave Queen and Freedom Girl in stock.

    As far as designing a medallion, please contact Will Lehr, Sales Director at Mulligan Mint (Will@coinsforthecause.com). He will walk you through all that designing and minting a custom piece entails.
    Let me know if you have any further questions.”

    Given what I’ve seen with my own eyes, and what research I’ve done because it simply made no sense, I’m entirely with Chris on this one.

    Hope things get rolling again soon…I will be in YOUR next “new customer” list.

    Note: The first thing that set me off was when AOCS closed their retail sales operations. What kind of “business person” stops selling COMPLETELY and removes all reference to their products from their own web site if there’s not something VERY SERIOUSLY WRONG in the background?

    PS: I’d also LOVE to see SBSS designs in 1/2, 1/4 and 1/10 versions…but we’ll wait and see how the new rollout goes. If it goes as well as I wholeheartedly expect, maybe we’ll also be able to see a few copper releases at some point? d=O)

    Click here to see how I used a photo of 3oz of metal (two SBSS medallions!) in what I call

  • Thanks for the Freedom Girl and Slave Queen rounds!!!!!

  • Mary

    Take the HIGH ROAD and step out of this now! There is nothing to be gained by continuing down this path.

  • MATT

    THis Adam guy is the biggest mirror kissing egomaniac on the net…and then pushing his own coins at the end..couldn’t watch all of it as I was eating!

  • MATT

    how’s the style of getting rid of the thumbs downs?? This guy smokes too much weed and would say he’s actually smoking HIS OWN PIPE..MIRROR KISSER!!!

  • This guy is a real piece of work… He makes Piers Morgan look almost tolerable… “Who is Chris Duane?” If he has to ask the question in the first place, he’s even dummber than he is annoying. I’d say he’s arrogant, but that would imply he’s in a position lofty enough to cast down disdain from. What a schmuck… Yes, I am venting but, I watched the whole video. What makes it quasi comical is that he appears to be serious… The bit to the end about using the designs for new coins is sleazy to the point of creepy. I take back the term schmuck… The man is a grease ball. He’s very fortunate that duels are illegal…

  • Al

    Chris you ARE RIGHT! Your name is FINE! Rob is the problem here and most of us know it. You are a good person and people like I, whom have been following you for year NOW know it! When Rob showed up on the scene I must say my stomach felt upset. For some reason something about him did not feel right to me. Since then problems have gotten worse as time passed. Now time has proven (as it always does) that this man is pure BS! The truth always comes out and I am not one to have to mention that to you, cause you already know it! The truth will set you free! I must say Rob has done the opposite! The truth may set you free, but the lie will bury you deeper!I hope that “We”(the people) are with you! After all most of us (including you!) are victims. We must stand together and give Rob HELL! AND I MEAN HELL! Let’s show these (or this) crook(s) what honest men are made of! We are not, and I mean NOT to be shoved around! Like wise men before us said before.. “evil men prevail only when good men do NOTHING!”… Lets not do nothing!

  • silver member

    Chris.. I bought on the premise that the coins were limited in production and if the cast are not destroyed and used to circulate more then what was promised then what about a class action lawsuit? I dont want my 100 slave queens or 100 freedom girls if they are massed produced. I got my confirmation today of my shipment lets see They recieved my check In February 12 and its May 2. I paid $34 an ounce and they produced them when silver was $24. spot. I’ve yet to see the quality. Keep up the good work and Im glad to move on. If it is true that they are going to produce more then I to take serious issue with them, not you.

    • Silver Shield

      I don’t think the Mulligan Mint will be around long enough with all of the vultures I see circling.

      You don’t last long in this very small world doing things like this.

      That being said I will leave all options on the table and just because I have been quiet does not mean I have not been busy.

  • Sandor Bors

    FYI!!!!
    For all of those who have PayPal accounts please check them to ensure that someone hasn’t hacked your account and is making BITCOIN purchases through ebay. I had two made on May 1st. One was refunded shortly after purchase but the other went through. I am taking all fraud reporting procedures to dispute and prosecute.

    This BitCoin BS is out of hand.

  • I trust Chris! It was Chris’s you tube site that got me the first 5 ounces of silver I ordered from AOCS! It was the “In debt and death they do trust” coins. I ordered 5 ounces and would have ordered more if I had the money. I was told they were delivered but they were not, I first called the bank and then the mint on the date of Nov 3rd 2012. It was leaving a message on the message board of the you tube site truth never told that got me results. My 5 ounces of silver arrived at the end of Feb. I do not believe it was insured but had requested insurance. I only mention this because it was Chris who got me in touch with the right person. I got my silver within 2 weeks after posting that comment. I love the designs of Chris’s coins and want to be sure to have one of each that is ever produced. Thus far I am on track. I believe in the silver bullet silver shield, the sons of liberty and don’t tread on me. I would also like to mention that I was an affiliate for coinsforacause at the end of Jan, I sold one coin, and have yet to receive my measly commission. I checked the link last week to see what coins for a cause was offering and the site is down for reconstruction supposedly. I only became an affiliate for coins for a cause because of my love of the silver bullet silver shield coins. It was the only reason I ever wanted to be an affiliate. I still want to be an affiliate for Silver Bullet Silver Shield and hope I will get the opportunity to do so when Chris is back up and running. Chris I believe in you and have enough experience to know that something stinks in Dallas!!

  • Jan Podojil

    Chris, just a little lost here on one point…Is Rob Gray running AOCS too? I ordered a Galt though them and remember a few Email with Rob and Gus. There are a couple other indian tribes with coins : Hawaii and some of the 7 Nations Confederacy I beleive. Same deal as Lakota?
    Fortunately I did recieve everything I ordered before this SHTF.

  • Steven Vandervelde

    For all his self reputed intellect Adam Kokesh is quite a numb skull when it comes to the intellectual property issue. The mere fact that Chris Duane asserted his rightful claim over his original creation made the guy quite rabid. This whole issue of using the state as a means of self-defense is sticky, but to claim, as Kokesh did, that resorting to the state somehow discredits Chris is hypocritical of him. Is he trying to tell us that he has somehow magically escaped all association with the state? BS. Like all such “I’m more libertarian than thou” arguments it does not hold water. Like everyone else, Adam Kokesh picks and chooses his associations with the state to suite his own preference and convenience, including his political associations and endorsements. All Property Rights Are Intellectual!!! All thieves become irate when confronted with any claims of right as they are trying to take what is yours. The fact that property rights are improperly applied by the state does not negate them, any more then Feudalism’s unjust claims negate the validity of land ownership. All of our so called natural rights are the intellectual by-product of our nature as rational beings. No rights just “grow on trees”. Thinking human beings create rights and assert them. Others challenge them. The issue of individual rights is The big issue in human cultural-political evolution. Like the primitive hunter-gatherer who is incapable of comprehending that the goat herder “owns” his herd, Adam Kokesh is clueless about the role of the intellect in the abstract concept of rights.

    • Silver Shield

      There is no doubt those are my copyrights and if there is a coin with my work on it and Adam is selling it with out my permission I will just add him to my lawsuit.

      Adam and Rob are actually hiding from me by the state since they have a monopoly on violence. The state actually makes these guys job easier since law abiding people have to jump through legal hoops to get what was mine. If we live in their dream of anarchy I would have disposed of this problem long ago.

      • Steven Vandervelde

        I never thought of it that way. You are absolutely right. These fraudsters do not submit to voluntary arbitration, like good voluntarists. They just continue on as if nothing has happened and pretend to be the wounded party. They take what they can and hide it out of reach. Voluntary cooperation is a two way street. When one party cheats and refuses to cooperate then sometimes the only alternative is to seek the help of a third party. You have shown civilized restraint by not acting on impulse to enforce your own just cause. The problem with fraud is that participation of the victim is necessary for it to work. Your publicizing the case is the best form of legal self help. People can say what they want about our screwed up legal system, but one thing I know is that truth is the best defense. It still works quite often.

  • Cal

    Hey,
    I dont agree with all of Chris ideas but man, I dont agree with any of that adam fellas. Some one should shoot him. I cant even get into it. the guy is an idiot. Chris, please sue the fuck out of those retards. Copyright is copyright, no mater what your stance on the gov. is.

    • Cal

      A little harsh cal?

    • Silver Shield

      I plan on suing them and I find it ironic that these guys are benefiting from hiding behind the state and the legal dance I have to do.
      Otherwise these guys would not last long.

  • Chris, Thank you for everything. Kokesh is a cocksucker and it will be hilarious to see such a “free thinker” get what is coming to him lolollololo. I will NEVER buy from Mulligan.NEVER AGAIN!!! Cant wait to follow SBSS in future wherever you choose to go.

  • Phil

    Who is Adam Kokesh? Never heard of him.
    Looks and sounds every bit a slimeball.
    How professional does it look to have a road sign, plastic sheet and blue neon light as a background? Duh!
    A rant like that should be banned on Youtube, and as DJ said, it’s evidence on ignorance.

    I did eventually receive the Trivium and SQ proof after hounding Will for 3 months non stop. The FG bullion I got through SDBullion. In my opinion, the finished product looked good but the coin edges/grooves were really rough. It wasn’t as polished as the Maples or Eagles.

    Chris, I do hope that the next mint you work with will have much better quality finishes. I look forward to appreciating them in my hands.

  • Chris,
    I have supported you from day one and still believe in the truth that you have opened my eyes to. I also continue to share the SOLA with anyone I can and have started my own blog directing people to the modules you have on FB.
    I also listened to Adam and find his rant to be worse than B-list actors on a $2000.00 film budget. His fake laughing and fake disgust are poorly manufactured and he seems to only have jumped on the band-wagon because the mint has funded his rant. His suggestion to “wait” for May 15 is also childishly portrayed and if he is dumb enough to think that IP is fiction, he should enjoy paying you after winning the lawsuit. Please share my blog with your people and I’ll continue to promote SOLA as always! Hang in there brother and Semper Fi!

  • shadowlight2012

    I was one of the first buyers of Debt & Death and have been listening to Chris since he learned how to make YouTube videos. It was a high risk investment at the time for me because it was evident alot could go wrong. There was an address on the original order form for AOCS Mint (whom checks were to made out to) that I researched using Google Earth in street view. It was an empty warehouse with a real estate sign in front of the property. I spoke with one of the Gray’s before venturing to send a check and was told it was a new venture and the sign was coming down. They did deliver, but every order was painfully slow to arrive and made me very nervous. They should not have sold the first coin without it being in stock first. It’s just good business.

    I took a leap of blind faith based on the character of Chris Duane, whom I only know through these videos, and stand by him now. I hope you get your dies back and move on from this fiasco. As an investor in the four SBSS coin series, I feel like I have a stake in this war too. If these clowns start minting Slave Queens with a different background it will affect the value of the existing designs. That is called Forgery!

    Chris, I wish you GodSpeed in this fight that is about to unravel in your face. I hope you connect with serious business people and get this matter corrected so you may continue the SBSS effort. I also agree with another comment requesting 1/4 & 1/10 oz. coins. SBSS began as an idea and the mint follows the idea. Unfulfilled orders goes against the original idea of the coin. Early SBSS videos would show the Mint premium was kept low in order to promote the idea of Silver to the common man and put the idea in peoples pockets to carry,

    Incidentally, I just got an email from Slick Willy at Coins for the Cause announcing their new coin called The Sentinel, It seems to only being released through their affiliate program. Is going to be a SBSS knock off?? I thought that Coins for the Cause was your entity as their communications led me to believe.

  • Chis, you seriously SHOULD NOT had this video link posted on this page.
    It made me so outraged that now I want to get out and KILL somebody.
    I’ll like to twist his testicles and rip them out with a pair of pliers.
    (on another though, he may not have any…)

    How a stupid guy can be so full of shit; it defies all explanations.

    Please, do us a favor: Olympically Ignore this MORON and delete the link to his video.

    If you see the comments.. there isn’t even ONE good comment on it.
    This guy shot himself in the foot.

    Ignorance; can be fixed, STUPIDITY is INCURABLE.
    But when it’s combined with GREED and evil intent…
    It needs a new, not invented yet word, to describe it.

  • Steven Vandervelde

    More on Adam Kokesh, I think we should listen to our children more. I just played an Adam Kokesh Youtube video for a 13 year old boy how is quite familiar with my libertarian philosophizing. His first reaction was: “That guy is an asshole.” During the course of the video he repeated that statement four more times each time Kokesh attempted to make some witty or cutting point about the subject of the video. Near the end the 13 year old admitted: “He’s right.” I asked, “But is he still an asshole?” I received no answer and took that as an affirmative. The moral of the story is that it is possible to be right about many things and still be an asshole.

  • timar2

    Thanks for the update Chris. Even though there are still a lot of unanswered questions, I’m sure that you can tell that there is a lot of support behind you.

    We know that you are working behind the scenes to address this disaster with Rob and M2 and appreciate the updates that you are providing. The key is to communicate and try to avoid going into a total “silence” mode. That’s when people get concerned and start to wonder what the heck is going on…especially those with outstanding orders that have yet to be filled. Peace.

  • Professor Horatio Hufnagel

    Chris Duane,

    It seems you got conned into someone who saw the one weakness you had. You believe in this new paradigm so passionately and want to help everyone find their way out of the current one. You are quite anxious to get started and too anxious in this case. Someone took advantage of this and that is quite sad.

    I would not even care about your round dies. They are likely in the hands of Chinese factories any ways. There’s a lot of negative feelings about incomplete orders. You can never get your time back. You already burned cash going to confront this dude. You are also creating an opportunity cost focusing on this guy. I would be very pissed about the silver being lost I would admit. But what can you do? This guy pissed all your money away and everyone else’s. You might get pennies on the dollar and an appearance on American Greed, it’s all gone dude.

    It is you with the ideas to make these rounds. Equipment can be bought, people can be hired, silver can be bought. Your ideas are your own and what makes the intangible into the tangible. Articulating your ideas to an artist is not easy and is quite the talent.

    All RG can do is convince people and take their money. In his business history he is always selling a finished product. Handle the business how you want. Your first few designs are already ruined by a crappy partner. It was your first time minting coins, you should be proud that you had the courage and motivation to try. Learn from your mistakes and get out there and make the best damn rounds we have ever seen.

    In the time it took you to create, proofread, publish and review the comments on 11 updates we could have been seeing a brand new Chris Duane round. Get a new domain and just press on (pun intended). I want to buy some new rounds before silver goes nuts. We want to see those designs coming out, not hear about some water condenser salesman.

    • MATT

      Your very right PROFESSOR! I would put money on the assumption that this bag of shit has already spent his ‘profits’ and ‘hypothicated’ future earnings into his mansion and whatever crap he consumes relying on future business..PONZI SCHEME comes to mind..SO…I would recommend NO ONE buy anything from this piece of shit and watch him squirm when the the bill comes..seen it all before..he will self distruct for sure..I just hope fat mouth ADAM loses his shirt before the ship goes down..might give him something to think about besides how he looks in the mirror!

  • marz

    Here´s an excellent analysis of the Cokesh: Adam Kokesh vs Chris Duane: Part 1 youtube.com/watch?v=KuKOSBqXq8k&feature=em-message_received

  • poor rich

    Adam Kokesh on Video….Seems like an annoying arrogant little jew boy that will never mature into a wise Jewish Man…Change the ethnic adjective to whatever you like.

  • Monet

    Got our coins today! Ordered March 6th…it’s about time. But literally as went to my computer to try to find the info to call and file a complaint a few days ago…I instead found our tracking number. And well, much to my delight and surprise, my coins arrived today. STOKED. they’re awesome. will be following to see where the next coins will be coming from. Best to all…hope you all get your coins or your fiat back.

  • clint

    Thanks, I cancelled my old utube channel and forgot some of the channels I was subbed
    Too, thankfully, I did not remember avtm. Don’t need the negativity and childishness
    And this was a reminder of that. What a jackass…

  • Chris, Magnes here !

    All of GIM , GSUS is watching .

    FUCK KOKESH !

    Reads like a total troll shill piece of shit.

    GO GET THEM !

    Ignore your detractors.

    NEMESIS is coming in the future for all you criminal lying swine.

    MAGNES

  • eric

    His forced laughter is rather off putting. He is condescending and insulting. I couldn’t imagine doing business with Adam Kokesh. Add Rob Gray’s gas mask and this would be a great satirical performance…WAIT…Is this Rex Velvet??? (Phoenix Jones Nemesis…YouTube him;-) Nah…The production value it too poor. If he researched Mulligan Mint like he researched his choice in microphone (good gravy what is he using for a preamp?) application or the audio processing then he is truly ignorant and incompetent. Chris contact me if you ever want to talk about a signal chain for your audio. Keep up the good work!;-)

  • tjp

    Dear Chris,

    You should have had an injunction in place protecting your intellectual property and preventing the sale of your coins within 3 days following your altercation.. The court will grant your injunction pending the disposition of litigation. Your attorney should be aware of this, and I am surprised that this has not been done.

  • Omnivore

    Adam Kokesh, self proclaimed master manipulator.

    Please skip to 18:00 and watch the clip to 20:00

    http://youtu.be/9hHvX1k6FRM

    You may also like to watch the entire video if you are interested in the way that this young male acts.

    • Silver Shield

      Listen to all.
      TRUST none.

      • Omnivore

        In many cases human interaction in the form of cooperation is held together by trust, you break that trust you break the interaction and thus the cooperation.

        Point taken, vigilance must be exercised even though at times it may be an arduous task.

  • DoubtingSurvivalPodcast

    I wonder what Jack Spirko of The Survival Podcast (http://www.thesurvivalpodcast.com) is getting out of this? Does he honestly believe MM is on the up and up? Or is he picking a side that will least tarnish his reputation? Or what is going on?

    Someone should figure this out.

    • Silver Shield

      Greedily trying to fill my empty boots.
      He will have to learn the hard way that you only have one name.

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