Update 35: I Have Severed ALL Ties With Rob Gray and Mulligan Mint

Screen Shot 2013-04-18 at 12.28.44 PMI originally met Rob Gray through a friend and member who introduced us both related to his testimony before Ron Paul’s subcommittee.  Thereafter, we had conversations for several months about silver, etc. and even traveled to Silver Summit together. When I started business dealings with Rob Gray we had a business deal that I would design and promote my Silver Bullet Silver Shield medallions and he and his new Mulligan Mint would produce and fulfill them.  Seemed like a very simple straightforward business relationship.

I performed my half of the deal well beyond anyone’s expectations, but there seemed to be constant issues on Rob’s end of the deal, such as complaints about PayPal, credit cards, delays in delivery, shoddy production quality, awful customer service, etc.

Knowing that starting something like this is not easy, I was very patient and did my best to try to support their effort for over 7 months. I tried pumping the breaks with delayed launches, but that was not enough. Then, things started to not add up for me.

Given my concerns, I halted ALL sales March 11th to clear a persistent backlog that grew to an estimated 92,000 ounces or roughly $3 million.

I was given assurances that all orders would be fulfilled by April 8th and we were going to launch on April 15th. I then come to find out the Sales Director, Gus Demos, who was my main contact with the Mint, abruptly quit on April 11th.

I immediately cancelled the Tax Slave Day relaunch of Slave Queen, Freedom Girl and the Redoubt coin. (I did this despite record demand for silver and incredibly low silver prices.)

From that moment on all the pieces started to come together as people started comparing notes about what they knew of Rob.

  • Why was he constantly try to run so fast when problems need to be corrected?
  • Why is he taking several recent vacation trips to Singapore in the midst of all these problems?
  • Why did he purchase a new mansion on an airstrip in Plano, Texas?
  • Why did  the sales director abruptly quit?
  • Why were paid retail customers waiting while he sold to dealers behind my back and my strict orders to stop ALL sales.


After many months of broken promises and constant aggravation of taking all of the heat for things I had no control over, I decided to fly to Dallas and confront Rob Gray face-to-face to resolve all open matters between us.

Despite his previous gregarious conversations and his jovial personality, at this meeting a different Rob Gray was present.  This one was curt and cold.  I sat down and simply and frankly told him I had no interest in continuing a business relationship and simply asked for my dies, the SilverBulletSilverShield.com URL, an accurate customer accounting of what is owed, affiliate commissions, final customer ounces delivered and/or collect all that is owed, and what was owed to me (including 1,500 personal ounces I sent down for minting from bars to my coins).

His response was “what if I just say ‘no’, what are you going to do?” I responded with “That’s not what I was hoping for, but I will be forced to go another route.” Thereafter, I stormed out after only 5 minutes when Rob Gray told me that I would get “nothing“.

Based on all my experience and dealings with Rob as well as the learned experiences of others, I suspect something very nefarious is going on at Mulligan Mint. As a result, I will be talking with customers, employees, affiliates, refiners, retailers and Free Lakota Bank and Mulligan Mint investors and depositors and telling anyone interested anything and everything I know about the situation, Rob Gray, Mulligan Mint, etc.  I think if I shine a very bright light on the situation, maybe we can all get the answers.

I will have MUCH more, very soon, after I have a clearer picture, when I have a conference call with the major creditors that I know of.

I will leave all options open after that.

Here is a just the beginning of what I have recently found out when people start talking.

33 Page Report On Rob Gray the Hypnotist, Water Ionizer Salesman that says “Mr. Gray may actually deserve an Oscar nomination for his theatrics in some of the videos that have been posted on this website.”

Free Lakota Bank is not a FDIC Bank…

South Dakota Dept. of Labor warns about unlicensed Free Lakota Bank

And not a bank of the Republic of Lakotah…

The Republic of Lakotah is in NO WAY associated with this new “freelakotabank.” Caveat Emptor!

So who’s bank is it?!


I do not care about my lost time, energy, money, opportunity, reputation, or silver.

I ONLY care about the truth.

 Feel free to add your story in the comment section below so that the people that are on the fence can have their Usual Suspects moment.



Chris Duane


P.S. Just as I was about to post this, I get an email blast from the Mulligan Mint that they are selling The Survival Podcast Ant Shield?!

Somebody better let Jack know what is going on before his good name and customers get caught in this growing mess.


Listen to all, TRUST NONE.


“A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague.” -Marcus Tullius Cicero


Update 1: The first lie I have heard today is that Rob refused to give me my dies, because I was working with Gus to start our own mint.

I want the dies because…

  1. Screen Shot 2013-04-18 at 12.28.44 PMThey are mine.  I am the designer and copyright holder of them.
  2.  I want to secure them from being used to diminish the value of all of the SBSS coins on the market by continuing to produce them beyond my approval or control.
  3. I don’t need to own a mint.  There are far more respectable, well oiled operations which OH BY THE WAY are much cheaper (33% cheaper) and have much better quality and turn around times.
  4. I want to work with a few mints so I am never in this position again.
  5. I want to relaunch fairly quickly.  I have waste far too much time and I will not wait for months to start some other capital and labor intensive business, especially before a dollar collapse.
  6. What mint in the world tells their customer that they will get “nothing”?!
  7. I will never use these designs ever again. (Which will increase the value of these coins, but not if the dies are not secured.)

So now with that out on the table, I want Rob Gray to turn over the dies that are not being used to fulfill customer order and just so we are really clear I would love it if they just took a HAMMER to it to damage it enough so that I cannot use it, but I can still see what it is.

I have a die count and wait for Rob’s response to this one.

I am sure that thousands of SBSS investors are going to be VERY INTERESTED in the outcome of this particular issue.

Update 2: I was told that Rob had a meeting with the whole staff after I blew out of there and that he said he would give me my 1,500 ounces.  I would love to know when and where I can get it, Rob.  I would think this would be very easy for you to do since that is provable theft in my opinion.

Update 3: I have completed my research and will be moving on many fronts to protect those that are involved in this mess.

I have gotten word that the new date they are stringing people along with April 26th.  Snap out of denial and stop hearing what you want to hear.  April 8th was the drop dead date… then the 15th… get a refund or a tracking number!  If you bought by credit card…

What they probably did not tell you is that their caster is down and blanks are pretty hard to come by right now.  It sure does look like they are trying to get this stuff out and when you tell a guy like me that I am getting “nothing” that frees up (in Rob’s mind) some time and capital.  I know he has bought time with some others that want to believe, but the fact is the circle is getting tighter as people start talking and wising up.

I have also heard complaints about the Free Lakota Bank is not returning calls.  Shocker…. I will be releasing more on the truth about Free Lakota Bank later. I already suspect that I am going to get “nothing” also.

I am posting some helpful links and phone numbers and suggest you do your own due diligence.

  1. Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott
  2. The Federal Trade Commission hotline 877-382-4357
  3. South Dakota Attorney General 605-773-3215
  4. You can also contact your local State Attorney General

Update 4: The only thing that really matters is your name.Screen Shot 2013-04-24 at 4.01.46 PM
You got it from your father,
It was all he had to give,
So its yours to use and cherish,
For as long as you may live.
If you lose the watch he gave you,
It can always be replaced,
But a black mark on your name son,
Can never be erased.
It was clean the day you took it,
And a worthy name to bare,
When he got it from his father,
There was no dishonor there.
So be sure you guard it wisely,
After all is said and done,
You’ll be glad the name is spotless,
When you give it to your son.
– Anonymous
Screen Shot 2013-04-25 at 8.17.09 AMUpdate 5: Free Lakota BankI got an email this morning that they are doing extremely well and they have hired extra staff, so answering some of these questions should be very simple.  If you have silver with the Free Lakota Bank, here are some questions you may want to ask…

  1. Where is the bank? Where are the offices? Who is the staff besides Eddie Allen in Dallas? Is there anybody in the 605 area code associated with the Free Lakota Bank?
  2. Does the Mulligan Mint in Dallas have the Free Lakota Bank safe in their mint?  Are there more safes? How are the assets segregated? Where is you silver?
  3. Is it insured? Can you see proof of insurance?
  4. When was it audited last? By whom? Where are the results?
  5. What Republic of Lakotah  projects  does the General Development Fund go to?
  6. Do they even have a location on the Lakotah property after all of these years?
  7. Why does the Republic of Lakotah say they are, “in NO WAY associated with this new “freelakotabank.” Caveat Emptor!“?
  8. Who owns the Free Lakota Bank? Is it even a legal entity? Where is it registered? If not, who lays claim to the assets?
  9. According to Whois Domain Lookup Rob Gray registered the domain Sept. 7th 2008. What is his relationship to the Free Lakota Bank?
  10. Can funds from the Free Lakota Bank be used for private or personal investments? What safe guards or transparency are in place to ensure your investment?

The good thing is that according to the site “Withdrawing: Any and all withdraws from the Free Lakota Bank will be issued in AOCS Approved Silver medallions. The currency can be shipped direct from the bank or may be issued by an AOCS Trade Coordinator or Authorized Dealer.”  This is great since the minting fee to produce these coins is relatively high and since they still have unjustly kept my dies and my coins are AOCS Approved you should get your silver in Freedom Girls or Slave Queens.  Considering the premiums on these coins right now compared to the raw value of silver, this might be a good time to explore those options.

Update 6:  The “Buzzard Dollar” is reborn.

The Morgan Dollar was derided as one of the ugliest coins in the US Mint history and was loosely called the “Buzzard Dollar”.  In an effort to quickly roll out another coin to keep the game going, the Mulligan Mint is using an altered Morgan Dollar Reverse as the back of the Redoubt coin.  What makes this worse is that the .999 looks like a 666.  At least they had the decency not to use my Reverse.

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Original Morgan Reverse on Left. New Redoubt Reverse on right.

Screen Shot 2013-04-24 at 8.51.47 PMUpdate 7: More excuses to buy more time… Today comes the announcement that the Mulligan Mint will ONCE AGAIN fail to deliver on their promised deadlines.  We have people from January still not fulfilled despite a $10 drop in the price of silver…  Rob Gray told me that I would get “nothing” and I have since severed ties…  and they still have the still have the arrogance to launch with two new partners and coins?!

And since when do they care about quality?  From day one quality has been a major issue that has never been resolved.  I would ask you to find out what supplier “failed” with sub-par blanks, but I already know it is BS.

Failed with the end of March deadline…

then April 8th…

then Tax Slave Day April 15th…

and now April 26th.

Something really stinks!

File an online complaint with Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott

 Update 8: May 2nd and STILL all orders are not fulfilled.

Despite all of the fake promises to fulfill all orders we are close to a MONTH past the April 8th deadline and orders are still not fulfilled.  I mean there are orders from January/February and $10 higher silver NOT fulfilled.  The customers that are left are the largest orders by volume and there is no way of knowing how many thousands of ounces are still owed.  Snap out of denial and take action.  Small claims court could be an option or you can file a complaint, do your own due dilligence.

  1. Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott
  2. The Federal Trade Commission hotline 877-382-4357
  3. South Dakota Attorney General 605-773-3215
  4. You can also contact your local State Attorney General

Update 9: Moving Forward with Silver Bullet Silver Shield

I have been like Janus wrapping up the past with lawyers and investigators and working towards the future with new partners retail and production partners.  I am going forward alone to continue to do what I do best design and promote SBSS silver.  I have no interest in the minting or sales of these coins and will only act as the intermediary between the largest retailers and the two mints that will produce the coins.  I have established a connection with a reputable mint to produce Proof SBSS and I hope by the end of today I will have a BU production mint locked on.  These mints are long established, independent, family owned mints that have a reputation for great quality, dependable delivery times, excellent reputation.  I am excited to see what these coins can do when I can launch  more designs, get quicker turn around times, and superior quality.

I am shooting for the end of May to launch War Bird and Love.  I hope to launch 1 coin a week after that.  I will continue to work solely with Heidi Wastweet and limit the time these coins will be available. Despite the crazy market for silver, I am shooting for the same price points of $2.99 over spot for BU and $14.99 for Proof.  I believe the combination of my designs and promotions, Heidi’s excellent work, low price points, the largest retailers, and finally a dependable and quality partner producing the coins we will be able to restart the fire very quickly.

Update 10: Enter the Clowns

How many other bloggers are going to try to jump into my boots?  Well the latest is the stoner, BitConer Adam Kokesh, this despite all of the drama of tremendous delivery failures, shoddy quality, awful customer service and the final coup de grace of Rob Gray telling me that I would get “nothing”.   It seems that some bloggers will turn a blind eye to sell their customers out for a quick buck. (Or so they think.)  The wonderful thing with this is that I have warned everyone and their customers will provide the money to fulfill orders from months ago that are still waiting.

Despite all of the efforts the Mulligan Mint is trying to do to stay alive, I do not believe they will last long since this is such a small world in the silver community.  You don’t stay in business too long by screwing customers and partners over.  I don’t think too many people are going to trust them and it is clear many of the major retailers will no longer expose themselves to the inherent risks associated with them.  I will do everything in my power with speaking out, investigators and lawyers to take care of those injured in this drama.  The good thing is that I was ONLY involved with them for 7 months and they have nowhere near the 92,000 ounces once owed when I shut down sales on March 11th nearly TWO MONTHS ago.

Screen Shot 2013-04-18 at 12.28.44 PMI want everyone to watch this latest video from Adam Kokesh as I break down the lies and you will hear from his own mouth that Rob Gray and the Mulligan Mint are going to try to sell Slave Queen and Freedom Girl with other backs on it.  This is the sleaziest thing I have ever heard any mint doing.  Since I am the Copyright Owner, ANY infringement will only lead to more people to be involved in my lawsuits I am pursuing.  It is insane to think that a manufacturer has ownership of intellectual property that I own.  Rob says he paid for the dies, but that came from profits of the sales I brought in and their part of the dealer was to produce and fulfill.

What person in the world would ever trust the Mulligan Mint to produce their coins, when they clearly intend on stealing it for their own.  Then think about the current owners of SBSS coins, I want these coins to be fulfilled and retired long ago and now it seems there is going to be no end until a Judge puts an end to this once and for all.  I don’t want the dies to produce more, I WANT THEM DESTROYED so the BS ends.

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‘It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.” -Upton Sinclair

Feel free to thumbs down on YouTube, but don’t bother commenting, you will just get banned.


00:32 “Obviously and blatantly wrong”  Originally an 92,000 ounce back log from March 11th that was promised to be taken care of originally in 2 weeks by Rob… then promised to have everyone delivered by April 8th… then the sudden resignation of the Director of Sales April 11th… everyone owed money and or silver while he takes trips to Singapore and buys a mansion on an airstrip… no replies to my emails… selling major retailers despite my  total shut down of  sales on March 11th further pushing PAID customer orders back… missing the April 15th relaunch date because they still did not deliver…  no responses… then BS emailed excuses… and FI

NALLY I had to fly down to Dallas to see for my face that Rob had no intention of making things right when he told me to my face that I would get nothing that I was owed and I could not even find out what the customers were owed.  So yeah Adam, something was obviously and blatantly wrong.

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00:36 “claiming he lost a lot of money without documentation to back it up. I wanted to see the numbers…”  I have never seen a clean Profit and Loss statement the entire time.  Throughout the entire ordeal I was extremely patient as they were struggling to keep up with the tremendous demand I created but when I became suspicious something was nefarious going on I sought to mitigate the problem by shutting down sales in March and trying to make a clean break.  Every time I asked to see a statement I was told that they were between book keepers and they were always days a way from getting it done.  Never was their a real accountant allowed to see the books.  My estimate of loss is from the former Sales Director on what he told me that I am still owed, and even he will will tell you that he has no idea what that really is since not even HE was allowed to see the books.  Meanwhile Rob plays in Singapore and goes home to his Mansion on an airstrip…

00:42 “Pretending he did not make any money.”  I never claimed not to make any money, just not what I was owed.  I did get my only wire of $75,000 in March and that was just fraction of the money and silver that I was owed.  I also waited for months for my own silver while others got fulfilled using my silver for a rolling inventory.  I was able to finally get my metal back this spring.  Like a good Marine leader, I always was patient and put myself at the end of the line in terms of fulfillment and payment.  Never would I consider to lead others into a danger for a quick profit.  Meanwhile my “partner” was running up hundreds of thousands in credit card bills traveling the world with his family and buying mansions.  The thing that is very obvious to me, everyone is owed money except Rob.

00:52 “I checked the books, I have seen the paper work”  Really because I never have.  Perhaps you can send it to me or my lawyer or post something online?  Where did you get your accounting degree from?  Do you typically trust people that have been shown to lie especially when it is clear that they would profit off of it?  Did you disclose your $4,000 a month sponsorship for the Mulligan Mint before you did this video?  Was the trip to Dallas paid for buy Rob?  Can you tell me how much I sold because I never saw the second set of books that showed the hundreds of thousands of sale to online retailers?

00:58 “For the little value you contributed”  Laughably insane statement.  Before Rob met me he was selling copper coins and water ionizers.  I brought him publicity and business.  I estimate that 90% of all of the business that went through that place was a direct result of my connection and reputation.  The sales, the investors, the depositors, the other bloggers, the retailers… They went from 4 employees to 45 while I was there.  There WAS NO MINT before me, just an empty warehouse with no presses.   And despite whatever you think it was worth it was a 50/50 split in profits on my stuff and 30% of Coins For The Cause coins that include your sorry silver sales Adam.

01:03 ” You made out like  bandit to the tune of $182,000″  I got one wire for $75,000 in March and NO 1099 for all of last year’s business with the Mulligan Mint.  And that still does not get over the fact that my customers are still not fulfilled, I am out my 1,500 ounces and according to the former sales director an estimated $250,000 and that is before the Coins for the Cause profits.

01:07 “And now you are thinking you are going to start your own mint, on a lie.” The only lie in that statement is that I was planning to start my own mint.  I never even considered starting a mint when there are clearly others that have been doing it much longer than I that will take better care of my designs and customers.  In fact I am talking with 3 mints to produce future coins.  The mint is the easily and most needed replacement of this whole drama.

01:22 “Never see a deal like this again” Geez I hope so, I would hate to be ROBbed from ever again like this.  It is not all about money, I have walked away from my family’s inheritance for a greater purpose and would never sell my soul for money.  I have better mints, with better quality, better prices, and better turn around times and a larger more reliable retail network to work with.

I will be adding more to this later, but it is just all BS…  feel free to jump into the comment section and help wade through the lies.

Update 11: Desperation sets in at the Mulligan Mint.

With now three failed posted Silver Bullet Silver Shield launches and a withering retail support the Mulligan Mint seems intent on either continuing selling Slave Queens and Freedom Girls with or without the Silver Bullet Silver Shield.  (Start watching 9:50)  The best thing about this people will not being trusting Mulligan Mint or Adam Kokesh.  Like I told Rob Gray,  you only get one name in this world and I am confident despite all of this drama, my name is still very well intact.


The time, money, publicity, retailers, suppliers, customers, employees, investors, depositors, and legal action is slipping away from what once felt the abundance mentality.  I believe that the we are weeks, if not days, of the final implosion of this drama.

I will caution everyone in dealing with the Mulligan Mint or any paid trolls the same warning the Republic of Lakotah warned about Rob Gray’s Free Lakota Bank… Caveat emptor!

Screen Shot 2013-05-06 at 10.04.16 AM Update 12:  Coins For (Rob) The Cause Affiliate Webinar

There is an affiliate webinar tonight for another coin launch trying to recapture the magic of what they once had with the Silver Bullet Silver Shield.

Like a husband that in unfaithful with his wife by cheating on her with a mistress in Vegas, it will never be the same again.

The silver community is far to small to break trust so egregiously, at so many different levels to think things will ever go back as it was.

You ONLY get one name and those that are affiliated with the Mulligan Mint would be better off looking for something else than ruining their name trying to resuscitate this mortally wounded enterprise.


 Update 13: Supposedly All Retail SBSS Orders Are Fulfilled…

That does not include the thousands of ounces that were sold behind my back to retailers or what is owed to me.  This does NOT put an end to the drama by any means.

  • They still owe thousands of ounces to major retailers that have been waiting to fulfill their clients.
  • They are still over a month behind the promised date of April 8th deadline Rob Gray promised.
  • They still produce shoddy quality work that is an insult to the fine art Heide Wastweet sculpted and the message of the Silver Bullet Silver Shield.
  • Their customer service is atrocious and full of excuses/lies.
  • The risk of massive delays in the silver stacker community is unacceptable.
  • They still are using my brand, copyrights, designs, promotional format and trademark without my clear warning not to.
  • They are threatening to use my designs to unlawfully enrich others by taking Freedom Girl and Slave Queen and putting another back on it for Adam Cokesh.
  • They still owe me at least 1,500 physical ounces of silver to me.
  • They still have not handed over the SilverBulletSilverShield . com website to me, even though it was promised that it was “mine” by Rob Gray.
  • They still act like nothing has happened and not made any effort to correct the grave failures they alone have caused.
  • They still have not destroyed or turned over the dies of all of the Silver Bullet Silver Shield series that are my designs and copyrights.
  • They still threaten to add insult to injury by creating these designs to destroy the value of limited run SBSS medallions.
  • They still have not made me whole for all of the abundance I have created and earned.
  • They still use hired/invested guns to spit on me for the abundance I have created.

Screen Shot 2013-05-08 at 7.13.39 AMUpdate 14: If It Takes Months to Fulfill 300 Orders…

…how long will it take to fulfill 55 million?  The Mulligan Mint is trying their 4th?, 5th?, 6th? failed launch in the aftermath of the end of their involvement of the Silver Bullet Silver Shield series.  How many of these ill conceived coins are they going to try to push out without addressing the systemic failures they have?

The latest attempt is based off of the homo erotic, violent movie 300.  The idea is that if 300 men can can stand against a invading army, then what could 55 million do?

“For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague.” -Marcus Tullius Cicero

The first flaw I see is that those 300 men were bound by honor and trust.  They we powerful because they had implicit trust for their brothers to watch their back.  The actions of Jack Spirko and the Mulligan Mint have shown that there is no honor in stealing someones designs, silver, ideas and names.  Trust has been broken simply delivering silver, much less putting someones life on the line.  I thank God that this happened now and I got to see the true nature of these actors before TSHTF.

My experience in the Marine Corp taught me to never break trust, even if it means taking the hardest blows for yourself.  The reason why I am the last one holding the bag, is that I consistently put myself last to make sure others were taken care of.  That is why the customers are getting fulfilled and I am out over $250,000, my silver, my dies, my website and the rest.  The slanderous attacks from the likes of Jack Spirko and Adam Cokesh show that these men are more concerned with their own asses rather than doing what is right.

“100 Billion Dollars!” – Dr. Evil

BDD_DR_evil_12.16.08The second flaw I see is, where are they getting 55 million from?  Even in the sheeple world, Mitt Romney only got 58 million votes in the last Presidential election.  Why stop at  55 million if we are just making up numbers?  Why not 1 billion?!

I estimate that there are between 2-5 million one offs of the INTJ personality that would even consider that their world is flawed.  The grand majority of them are either ignorant or invested in the current paradigm to even begin the process of awakening.  And those that do take this journey, only a small percentage of those people make it to the Acceptance Stage, where they take positive productive action in their lives.  And of those people that have made it that far they have no room in their lives for deceit or risk that is clearly at play here.

Military men are just dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy.” -Henry Kissinger

The third flaw I see is, why a Sentinel?  Sentinels are guards of a collective.  They are men that follow orders of rulers and not allowed to, even for a moment, think about what is best for themselves.  My indoctrination in the Marine Corps infantry demanded ‘instant an willing obedience to orders’.  This brain washing technique is used to trick well meaning men into sacrificing themselves for the Debt and Death their rulers profit from.

Leaderless resistance is about every man a leader, not a blind follower.  I created the Sons of Liberty Academy for that very reason.  Every person should have the knowledge and logic to do what is best for themselves and their loved ones.  The resonating power of awakened and empowered individuals, stands in stark contrast to what is being portrayed in this ill conceived coin.

“Hurt people, hut people.” -Will Bowen

The fourth flaw is, the abusive psychopathic nature of these 300 warriors.  So much of our media is designed to desensitize us to psychopathic behavior.  At every turn, we are to think that it is acceptable, or worse cool, to act like a psychopath.  In the movie 300, the Spartans physically and mentally abused their young boys to become unemphatic killers.  This brings out the animal instincts that are the worst in humanity.

More military men are dying from suicide than in combat.  Is it any wonder why hundreds of thousands of strong men are suffering with the abuse, violence and guilty consciousness that arises from this mindset?  We have brain washed kids with violence for the power and profit of those that own this paradigm.  The real trauma to humanity is felt on both sides of the destruction we deal on a daily basis.

“Let them march all they want, so long as they pay their taxes.” -Alexander Haig

The fifth flaw is that this is another collective effort against a collective problem.  These guys cannot seem to help themselves to put themselves at the head of a collective they run, as they put all of the risk on to those that listen to their orders.  This is not only obvious in these bloggers selling coins with a mint that is fraught with risk, but even Adam Cokesh planned armed march into Washington D.C.  This plan is an obvious publicity attempt to further enrich Adam Cokesh, but even Alex Jones can’t even get behind it.

“Fool me once, shame on … shame on you. Fool me… You can’t get fooled again!” – George Bush

The final flaw is that they must think that we are either greedy or stupid.  It is insane or insulting to think that they are ever going to find success ever again in this very small silver community without admitting and correcting the past.  People supported the Silver Bullet and the Silver Shield because of the message.  They no longer need to deal with the risk, awful customer service and shoddy quality of the mint.  Especially because yours truly, who got this thing all started, is left empty handed.

The Silver Bullet Silver Shield is about empowering yourself and walk away from the toxic things in your life.  The wheels of justice grind slowly, but the individual withdrawing support is final.  I appreciate all of the hundreds of emails, comments and conversations of support and I am confident that I will be able to pick up right where I left off with better partners and momentum.

I understand that I only have one name and I have done everything in my power to protect it and others that have trusted me.  If the Mulligan Mint, and those involved in this drama, have any shot at any success in the future, it would be in their best interest to make everyone whole and move on.  I would have nothing to say anymore about this, if that was the case.

Interesting side note: The Mulligan Mint was named after Midas Mulligan from Atlas Shrugged.  The irony is that before Midas shut down his bank, he made sure all people were made whole.

I am still waiting.

Update 15: The Mulligan Mint Has Gone Rogue

The Mulligan Mint has broken off all mediation talks and are planning on stealing my next 4 designs.


I will be releasing my first YouTube video and proceeding with my pending litigation now that all talks have ended.



Update 16: Honest Men and Thieves video released


Update 17: Desperate, Delusional, Idiots

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It seems the latest actions from the Mulligan Mint are best described by the hundreds of emails I got over the past 24 hours as desperate, delusional, idiots.  The  insanity of Rob Gray claiming, “co-founder of Silver Bullet Silver Shield” reeks of desperation.

I wrote the Silver Bullet and the Silver Shield February 25th, 2011.  The article was read by over 400,000+ people and translated into 7 different languages.  It was the reason I got to meet David Morgan and it was hailed by Jason Hommel as “The BEST article written on silver in Ten Years!”

I then went on to create 6 1/2 hours in 45+ videos on YouTube starting January 24th 2012.  The Silver Bullet Silver Shield videos were seen by over 1.8 million people world wide.  All of this while Rob Gray was probably selling water Ionizers or copper coins at carnivals.

It is my success that Rob sought to leverage to his own  personal fortune.  My brand, my ideas, my designs, my contacts, and my reputation.  That is why he contacted me to write his opening statement for Ron Paul August 2012.  He has no ideas of his own and only seeks to ensnare others into his trap.

Screen-Shot-2013-04-18-at-12.28.44-PM-150x78 I am the ONLY Copyright Owner and that is on tens of thousands Certificate of Authenticity they sent out.

I am the designer of all of all of the Silver Bullet Silver Shield medallions.

I am the creator of the Silver Bullet Silver Shield articles, videos, DVDs, and silver medallions.

Rob can ignore reality, but like Ayn Rand said , “You cannot ignore the consequences of ignoring reality.”

I once asked Rob Gray what he wanted to be when he got older.  He told me that he wanted to “be a billionaire.”  I  thought that was weird asked him why?  His response was, “because I am smarter than everyone else.”  This is the first time that I really started to ask myself what have I gotten myself into.

This claim of Rob Gray “co-founding” Silver Bullet Silver Shield is almost as insane as another delusional psychopath, Al Gore, when he claimed to invent the Internet.


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BTW Do dickheads always wear their hats like this?

IMG_7227While Rob is a psychopath that does what comes naturally to him, the person I am MOST disappointed is Will Lehr aka. Silver Willy.  He was one of the first Silver Shield Group members and I have been nothing but supportive of Will. I even helped him get this job at the Mulligan Mint.  I have given him ample opportunity to make things right and that he was only staying around until he got the customers fulfilled and me paid.  Now that both of those are dead issues, he is now complicit is stealing my designs and brand and deceiving the public into thinking that Silver Bullet Silver Shield back to the way it was.

Will Lehr is empowering something he knows to be very wrong and perhaps a few emails or phone calls will convince him to man up and walk away. Will Lehr <will@coinsforthecause.com>  I don’t think a lot of people will trusting Will anyway since he is now know as Slick Willy.

Here is a Children’s Cancer Charity Auction video I did with Will when he was at another place he hated.


Update 18: Are You A Sellout?

“And what do you benefit if you gain the whole world but lose your own soul?” -Matthew 16:26

It must be crunch time at the Mulligan Mint since they are going to jump the gun and launch MY Freedom Girl and Slave Queen today, a full 4 days in advance of their previous launch date.  They have stolen my designs and perhaps today they will see that they have sold the only thing that is truly worth anything, their reputation.   I had the biggest bloggers wait for months for their affiliate commissions as the tried to fix the books.  Do not be tempted to try and make a quick buck you will probably never see, promoting thieves.

Again, anyone promoting or supporting the Mulligan Mint in this criminal effort, should be shunned from this community.

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Update 19: Mulligan Mint Implosion Contest

Mulligan Mint implosion contestIn the middle of all of this drama I thought it might be fun to have a contest where I can give away all of the silver Rob gave me when I met him in Washington D.C. for Ron Paul’s Congressional Testimony last summer.

All entries will be posted in the comment section by the first to answer to the questions below.

1. Whoever guesses the day the Mulligan Mint closes for good, will receive my 5 oz Lakota Proof round numbered “300” on the side.  This round was used by Rob Gray in his congressional testimony and was held by Ron Paul himself.

2. Whoever guesses when the day that Free Lakota Bank closes for good, will receive 4 1 oz. Proof Lakota rounds.

3. Whoever guesses the day that the first State or Federal agency or tax authority raids the Mulligan Mint, will receive 3 1oz. Proof Andrew Jackson rounds.  (Two can play the irony game.)

4. Whoever guesses the day that Will Lehr quits/fired from the Mulligan Mint, will receive 2 1oz. Proof Ludwig von Mises rounds with the words “Tu Ne Cede Malis” or do not give in to evil.

5. Whoever has the highest rated comment on the Honest Men and Thieves video, will receive a 1 oz. BU Andrew Jackson round.

6. Whoever guesses the day Rob Gray flees the country to Singapore, will receive a 1 oz. Rob Gray copper round business card with his own personal narcissistic, vanity phone number on it that we can call looking for him, 855-Rob-Gray.

The Grand Prize is for whoever guesses the day that I get all of my customers fulfilled, my dies, my URL, my silver, my money that I am owed and this entire drama ends, will receive a 3 oz triple stacked 2012 Trivium in a cracked die collar.  This symbolizes how the Silver Bullet and the Silver Shield built the Mulligan Mint and how it will ultimately break it’s back. 

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Update 20: It’s a Trap!

It looks like they plan on launching today.  Like I warned all of the other bloggers, future sales will only go to bailing out the previous people who bought into this. This needs to end, DO NOT BUY ANYTHING FROM THE MULLIGAN MINT.

Update 21: The Original Email That Started The Silver Bullet Silver Shield coin.

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I have the entire email chain from start to finish of my ideas, for my designs, for my coins ,with my brand, backed by my reputation and effort in the silver community.    I am the one that came up with the designs, elements, layout, symbolism, message, branding and so forth.  Any false claims on my work will be met with litigation and public scrutiny.

Update 22: Tell Rob Gray I said, “Hi”

In what will no doubt be his last public appearance, Rob Gray will be at the Metals & Minerals Investment Conference in New York, May 13-14.  I would love to know the silver community’s response to his arrogant presence given the fact that he has now crossed the line and not only stolen past profits and silver, but now is stealing and producing stolen designs of mine.   Please send me any video or YouTube links asking Rob to explain himself and his actions.  Things like, how is he the co-founder of Silver Bullet Silver Shield?  Or how he thinks my copyrighted work is his?  Or if he owns Free Lakota Bank?  Are Free Lakota Bank’s depositors money used for personal ventures? Or if he needs any tax advice?  Don’t expect him to flinch since these guys swim in their own self delusion, but it is very helpful for people to see the insanity.

Update 23: Mulligan Mint is “best in the industry!”

Speaking of delusion, watch “Why The Mulligan Mint”for a good laugh.  Rob Gray actually says that the Mulligan Mint has the turn around times that are the “best in the industry!”  This only 20 seconds after the head of production said that they weren’t and they show that little toy caster that snails out silver as slow as anything I have ever seen.   We can also forget about the epic delays from day 1 that all of us have experienced, or the shoddy quality or awful customer service or that they can steal your designs if you make something that really sells.  You can forget about leaving a comment since they would not want people to laugh too hard.  You can feel free to laugh at it here though in our growing comment section.

Update 24: Silver Gold Bull, Silver Doctors, Provident Metals And Many Other SBSS Retailers Will Not Support The Criminal Relaunch Of My Designs

I am very happy to hear that the majority of the former SBSS retail partners will NOT be supporting the Criminal Relaunch Of My Designs. is a huge vote in confidence from the customers that made this decision very easy for these retailers.  The out pouring of support for my claims is only icing on the cake for these professional retailers break ties with a mint that has clearly shown that they cannot deliver on time, cannot produce quality products and cannot properly support the customer service.

There is no question that I am the creative force behind all of the designs on the Silver Bullet Silver Shield series.  Anyone that illegally profits off of my work and supporting the ridiculous claims of the Mulligan Mint will face both publicly and legally prosecuted.  The entire silver community is watching who will seek to risk their reputation and customers money for false promises.  Especially since these relaunched coins were supposed to be limited in nature.  Producing more of these designs, like Ben Bernanke, only seeks to destroy the value of what needs to be protected.

With the now 45 new designs Heidi Wastweet and I are planning to launch, there is much more abundance coming from us.

Thank you for the REAL support you are all offering.

 Update 25: Important Revelations

After weeks of hiding behind paid or invested shills, Rob Gray is finally answering some questions himself.

RRobi31729 on YouTube got and exclusive video interview with Rob Gray at last week’s Metals Conference in New York where he got some very good revelations about what is going on.

I would like to give my shot by shot analysis of his explanations and let you decide.


2:00 He asks who is the designer of the coins and Rob cleverly answers that Heidi Wastweet is the sculptor (sculptress) knowing full well that I designed everything.

3:00 When asked about their relationship to me Rob nervously flicks his face and simply says that he partnered with me.

3:30 When asked about moving to Singapore, Rob responds that they are in fact planning on opening a second operation in Singapore.  This is very important because one of the things that made me end this relationship is the fact that while his Mulligan Mint in Dallas was shut down for weeks with a 92,000 ounce backlog, he was off gallivanting in Singapore trying to raise more money to start another mint in Singapore.  He was not doing jack about the customers he left hanging in Dallas while he was staying at $500 a night hotels, half way around the world.

And now that he has just burned 95% of his retail sales to the ground by his actions, why does he even need the capacity in Dallas, much less in Singapore.  After all who is going to trust the Mulligan Mint with their designs, after they have stolen mine?

While Rob uses the libertarian, ex-patriot rational for leaving the country, the real reason why he is leaving is because he fears his past catching up to him.  I now have information (Update 26) of a former investor of Rob Gray that sued and won a $125,000 judgement!  And that Rob then declared bankruptcy and fled Philadelphia.  I am positive he is going to flee to Singapore as his past catches up to him again. (More on that later in Update 26.)

4:30 Why are you continuing minting Freedom Girl and Slave Queen?  He says that they committed to limited time launches and uses his failure to produce in an adequate fashion as a reason for continuing the unauthorized use of my designs and brand.  The truth is he needs cash and now that it is painfully obvious that his customers have voted for me with the pitiful sales of the relaunch, time and cash are closing in.

5:31 How does the Silver Bullet Silver Shield go on without Chris?  He shows the Molon Labe coin and says that Heidi designed it.  Like Obama taking credit for job others created, NO Rob, I did that.   I am the one that came up with the ideas, elements, wording and the original art on it.  And then shows the Cannabis medallion that I also designed and first showed publicly in my Honest Men and Thieves video at 8:53

6:22 I will never come back and expose myself, my designs and my reputation to Rob Gray or the Mulligan Mint again. The only rational discussion I am interested in is getting back what was stolen from me.

8:56 When asked about quality, it is simply too little too late.  For 7 months we all dealt with horrible quality and now?! he does what he should have been doing all along?

Rob says that people should send their coins back and that they would pay for shipping. Yeah, like anyone is going to trust sending these coins back to a Mint that took months to deliver these shoddy coins in the first place!

9:33 Rob insults the customers by mocking them when it is clearly shoddy quality that even my 4 year old son can see. I personally have kept all of my coins, because they are all unique, but that is no way to run a mint.

1:55 Rob asks for the customers to be reasonable and rational.  The only reasonable and rational thing to do at this point is to never do business again with the Mulligan Mint

3:33 When asked why he has not responded to my allegations, Rob tries to take the high road as he stands in front of all of my designs he stole.  The insanity of that fact is felt by anyone who knows what is going on.  Forget about the hundreds of thousands in profits and silver…

3:56 “We have a partnership and he has some responsibilities.”  I fulfilled my end of this deal by creating the hottest selling designs and generating the marketing to promote them.  (All of this he admits later in the video.)  When Rob Gray and the Mulligan Mint failed over and over again to do their part of the deal to produce and fulfill, I ended it.  I have no commitment to the Mulligan Mint, especially now that they stole my money, silver and designs.

4:28 “Tens of thousands of customers” Is that why you cannot sell anything anymore?  The relaunch has failed because they never addressed the reason why people made it successful in the first place.  People in the silver community are not stupid.  They walked away from the Debt and Death paradigm and they are not going to put up with the same behavior inside this small community.

4:51 “I don’t know what Chris expects from us?”  Here is what I would expect from you, Rob, deliver the remaining dealer orders that you STILL have not fulfilled, give me what I am owe in terms of profits and silver, turn over or destroy the dies, and hand over my SilverBulletSilverShield.com website.

I also do not actually expect you to do anything of that sort, which is why my lawsuit will be on your desk this week.   I might also be releasing all of the information about the past in Philadelphia Rob thought he ran away from including…

  • The investor lawsuit Rob Gray lost which led to his bankruptcy.
  • What happened with Rob’s grandmother Anna’s last will and testament.
  • The trail of destruction of companies, investors, employees, and vendors Rob left behind.  TyentUSA_Exposed
  • And much more…

5:40 “There is not one customer waiting for orders.”  While retail orders have been fulfilled, there are still thousands of ounces still owed to wholesalers and yours truly.  Once you see the past in Philadelphia Rob has, you will see the pattern of abuse is at the investor, employee and vendor level.  Why piss off a $100 customer, when there are bigger fish?

6:24 “We have partnership with the largest refiner in the western hemisphere.” NTR-OPM is now the largest silver refiner, not Republic Metals.

“Chris walked 2 days after we signed that deal knowing full well that we have reserves of silver.”  Rob had talked for months about the deal with Republic Metals, but he could not provide proper accounting to satisfy them as far as I last heard.  Heck I never saw a straight set of book because he never hired a proper accountant for fear that someone would hand over the books to the government.   And after what has happened now, I would be shocked to learn that Republic went ahead to supply silver on the arm like he wished for.  Perhaps a few emails into Republic Metals will clarify that…  info@republicmetalscorp.com

7:01 “Encourage Chris to sit down like a gentleman and work things out.”  I entered into two mediations with two people we both respect and both times Rob would not make good on his past debts to me, before we even talked about any future possibilities.   All he was interested in is getting me further into debt to him and never making me whole.

I even offered twice to forgo all profits owed to me just to get my silver, dies and URL and end the insult to injury.  As a part of the mediation, I even offered to take down all postings and send a mass email to my 40,000 person email list and 36,000 person YouTube community stating that I no longer had any claims against Rob, if he returned what was mine.  Twice he rejected that generous offer.  Now I have a slam dunk case and will no longer negotiate.

7:35 Going forward is Chris continuing to get “his” (profits)?  Rob says only after I come back to the table and stop slamming him here, will I get what is owed.  Again, that was part of the mediation that once I was made whole I would take down all videos and articles related to this subject.  He seems to not grasp the concept of what came first and what needs to be done first.  He stole my money, silver and designs long before I did one article or video speaking the truth about him.  At this point it really does not matter, as the lawsuit will settle this.

7:55 Rob admits that I did my job “awesome” and that he is the one that failed.

8:05 Rob admits that when we first started they were sub contracting out the work to other mints.  This will be very important later on as he will try to claim like I owe him something for the risk he took in starting his mint.  I have no ownership or obligation to the Mulligan Mint or the investors that knowingly or unknowingly funded this operation.

“The mint they subcontracted to went out of business.”  What Rob fails to say is that mint was Old Glory Mint was involved in a $100 million PONZI SCHEME!

8:38 See the millions of dollars in facility.  The question is not if there is machinery or silver there, it is whose money is it and do they know that it is used for Rob Gray’s personal ventures.  Or how many investors bought into mint.  I must have talked to dozens of people that said Rob offered them 5% to 10% of the mint for as low as $80,000 to as high as $250,000.  I wonder how many took him up on that offer and if at the end of the day that number adds up to 100%?

9:21 On moving to Asia… He wants to have all of his “hot” technology shipped to Asia.  Earlier he said he was going to have his extrusion press across the street in Dallas, now he wants it in Asia?  I believe that he is just looking for another “investor” to fund that dream.  After all why build another mint in Asia just to ship silver strip half way around the world to do all of the work out here?  Especially when he can do it in Dallas and there are plenty of companies that would do it quicker here.  And I highly doubt that the “deal” with Republic Metals would have come through on that business model.  Or that the Dallas Mint will stay in business one day after a mint opens in Singapore.


3:22 “We can do 150,000 ounces a month and want to get it up to 4 to 5 million.”  Is that why it took the Mulligan Mint months to deliver 92,000 ounces?  And whatever capacity he may have, they are certainly not going to sell that much.

“Solid distribution network” most of the retailers and customers I have spoken to would never go through the long wait times, shoddy production and awful customer service, ever again.

“Chris will be excited to see the world’s largest precious metals dealer will be carrying Freedom Girl.”  If Apmex does decide to carry Freedom Girl now, after they wisely sat on the sideline not willing to risk their reputation with an unproven Mulligan Mint, that would be the worst decision they make. 

First, they would now be involved in my lawsuit.  I am the copyright owner and Rob Gray and the Mulligan Mint do not have my permission to continue to use my designs, brand or trademarks.  I would be forced to include anyone that is profiting in this continued abuse of my copyrights.

Secondly, the customer base would let them know immediately what is really going on behind Rob’s slick pitch.  I don’t know what Rob told them, but there are thousands of people who have read my article from 2011 and the videos from 2012 and my continued publicity for my coins that know full well what is really going on.

I would be more than happy to Apmex to the other dealers who have already made their wise decision to shun this criminal behavior of stealing designs, money and silver.  This silver community is too small for this to last long.

I can also provide contacts with the multiple state and federal investigators that are looking into this matter.

You can let your voice be heard.


5:02 About Chris’s “goals”.  Rob is constantly suggesting like I have some ulterior motive like starting another mint and that is my “real” reason for this breakup.   I just signed a production agreement with a ISO certified mint to produce the next in the Silver Bullet Silver Shield series.  I have NO investment in this decade old mint nor do I wish to.  I have no interest in any investment before the dollar collapse, other than silver.  My only REAL reason for this break up is exactly what I have been stating all along in this now 10,000 words article about walking away with what is owed.

Going forward, I will not even have my own retail operation to sell my silver.   This will be a huge boon to those that wisely decide which side they are on.  I will have SBSS Authorized Retailers with major online retailers to handle all retail sales.  Rob’s business model actually competes against the online retailers where the grand majority of the retail sales went through.  Knowing that Rob only has four more stolen designs of mine and I have 45+ designs coming with Heidi Wastweet and a proven ISO certified mint production,  I think the choice will be easy for any online retailer to make.

5:16 Rob confirms again the major failures he had on his end of the bargain.

6:39 Rob admits that Silver Bullet and Silver Shield was not his idea despite his statement that he is co-founder and displaying HIS famous Freedom Girl, Slave Queen and Debt and Death sculpts and dies.

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7:00 “He has asked us to destroy the dies and sculpts that are worth hundreds of thousands of dollars.”  No they are worth a few thousand and were part of the production process they failed to fulfill.  They are only worth more because of the value I created and I no longer want stolen from me.  I did not want those sculpts and dies to fall into the wrong hands besides Rob.  Now it is too late….

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Update to the update:  This has been removed off of the site. Geez even the Chinese took it down before Rob Gray and the Mulligan Mint.

7:41 “Chris has got some work to do to get back to the table.”  The only work I have to do is have my lawyer get what is mine.  Hopefully he wont flee Dallas like he did in Philadelphia.  I did not want the escrow, because I already offered to forgo all profits he owes me in return to turn over what is mine.

He keeps talking about continuing a partnership… by not only stealing from that partner, but then adding insult to injury to steal his designs and future profits.

9:18 “We never force anyone to do anything they don’t want to do.” This seconds after he says that I need to take him to court instead of rightfully handing over what is mine. Some voluntary relationship…

9:51 “Anything you try to build and growing something, there is always some out there trying to take it away from you like in this situation and it is a shame.” Almost as ironic as when he said that “There could be no fair competition between honest men and thieves.”


Update 26: The Skeletons Come Out Of The Closet

I believe Karma only works when people speak out.  God cannot do His works if people sit on their hands and wait.

This week I got extremely interesting email…

Dear Chris;

My name is Glenn A. Tener and have known Rob Gray for the last 15 years ever since I was a partner and investor in his technology businesses in the Philadelphia area 10 years ago.  He stole money from me and countless of others including friends, employees, investors, vendors and others.  I sued him in court and had a judgment on him and his companies for over $125,000! Below is an email that I sent him.  He is a true psychopath and has no regard for anybody but himself and will stop at nothing to get what he wants no matter who he hurts.  He definitely belongs in jail.  You can call me at 215.***.**** and I could tell you a lot of information about his dealings in Philadelphia that could help you.

Glenn A. Tener


From: Glenn A. Tener [mailto:******@*******.net]
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 12:31 PM
To: ‘rgray@opencurrency.com’
Cc: ‘*******@yahoo.com’

Congratulations Rob!  You are still FUCKING people out of their money!  You are doing the same thing in Dallas that you did in Philadelphia 15 years ago!  LOL.  You idiot!  When are you going to learn!  Jail for you is certain and imminent.  I gave them my full cooperation and help of course (see the email and link below that was sent to me).  After knowing you for last 15 years you have not changed a bit.  You are still a LIAR, CHEATER, THIEF, AND CON ARTIST.

I will do you a favor and forward this email to all of your “friends”, former employees, investors/victims from Philadelphia that you stole money from.  I am sure they will be very happy for you.  Good luck in jail.

Your good friend


From: Jack ****** [mailto:********@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2013 9:48 AM

This could be your chance to finally get him…..

After my first conversation with Glenn, I was left aghast at the level of abuse at play here.   We are definitely dealing with someone that has a pattern of abuse that goes back to his earliest relationships.  This pattern continues over and over again with different faces and places without any regard of the damage done.  I have also had conversations since then that would leave even the most paid off shill will not willing to associate with Rob Gray.

If anyone has more information on Rob’s past in Philadelphia they can contact me at DTOMsola (at) Yahoo.com or feel free to publish yourself in the comment section below.  There are a great many parties highly interested in this information that would establish a pattern of abuse long established before I ever got in contact with Rob Gray.  This information can be kept confidential or public, used in pending litigation and/or forwarded to investigators.

Now that I am done trying to mediate with this guy, I will use any information to make sure justice is done this time.

 Update 27: Seriously?!

The latest failure to come from the Mulligan Mint is Bix Weir’s coin. 

This looks like a Charlie Brown character loving the Fed and the US Government.

Bix, there are no benevolent bankers and there are no good guys coming to save us…

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Screen Shot 2013-05-21 at 12.36.21 PMUpdate 28: The Skeletons Speak Out

Earlier in Update 26, I got an email from Glenn Tener about Rob’s dark past in Philadelphia.  I have been speaking to so many people from there, that I really don’t know where to begin.  I can tell you that I have heard some stories that left me aghast and at a loss for words.  Rest assured, I am positive that ALL of my suspicious are now totally justified.  I don’t plan on releasing all of the information I have, because most people have already made up their minds.  I will be using the majority of  information in any cases that arise out of this drama.  (If anyone has any more information about Rob Gray’s dark past, please email me at DTOMsola (at) yahoo.com.  You can also post anonymously in the comment section below.)

Here are the public records that were forwarded to me.  Please understand that this only represents a small portion of what happened there.  Most victims I spoke to chose to turn the other cheek and move on.  Others sought justice outside the law.  Glenn and the parties below, did not.  Like myself, Glenn went after this out of a sense for justice and not just to get money.  Glenn was not ultimately able to collect on any judgements he was awarded, because Rob declared bankruptcy when he fled to Texas.

Rob Gray has moved through the technology, water ionizer, hypnosis and now the metals industries with all the same complaints.  The faces and places my change, but the racketeering is all the same.

Racketeering Particularly, the potential problem may be caused by the same party that offers to solve it, although that fact may be concealed, with the specific intent to engender continual patronage for this party.  Anytime money is owed, there is always the promise of a greater payback if they can just continue the relationship.  This is why Rob wanted me to sign on for the next 4 coin launches that he stole  from me and THEN he promised to pay.  Twice, I even offered to forgo ALL money owed to me just to make a clean break.  Now I see that this pattern is well established.  One former victim said that he was amazed to see that I refused to play along with Rob’s pattern and that gave him confidence to speak out now.  He felt so guilty for having being taken in this matter and all of the warning signs he ignored.  He said that he wishes that he was more aggressive in pursuing Rob so that others would have been spared.

The Modus Operendi is always the same and in the end the victims get “nothing”.  (Hmmm sounds familiar…)

Please take time to read the complaints and you make your decision.

Listen to all.

Follow none.

(Side note: It is still amazing to me that the first day I met Rob Gray, we were in Congress…)


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Update 29- You CANNOT Make This Stuff Up!

Here is the first of three videos I got of Rob Gray doing hypnotism.  This is a News 11 Dallas station investigating Rob Gray.  He studied neuro linguistic programming (NLP) to manipulate people for a living.  Watch the self proclaimed “mind mechanic” at work.

“Feel. Don’t think.” – Rob “The Mind Mechanic” Gray

Update 30: The Further Insult to Injury.

As if stealing my money and my Slave Queen and Freedom Girl was not enough, as predicted, they are going to steal AG 47 and Cannabis.

You don’t have to wait to see it or buy it from them. 

I will be releasing the updated designs they DON’T HAVE in June.

Here is what they have illegally coming out.


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bernard_silver_summitbUpdate 31- Bernard von NotHaus of Liberty Dollar says Rob Gray , “Stole my life’s work!”

(I found this article from Bernard von NotHaus and his description of a young, broke Rob Gray that sought to take his idea for his own.  Do we start to see a pattern here.  He is a parasite.)

I take no pleasure in disclosing this sordid story. But the time has come to tell the real facts that define the differences between the American Liberty Dollar (ALD) and the American Open Currency Standard (AOCS).

In the March 7, 2012 issue of “Director’s Update!” by AOCS Director Rob Gray contains the usual ra-ra and announces “proud to announce that we’re back on track” without ever noting why they were off track and concludes by encouraging everyone “to join us in our mission to restore honest trade.”

“Restore honest trade”? Honesty, particularly in the field of “honest money” is so important, let’s start at the beginning.

To the best of my memory, some time in 2007 Gray started calling me about being a part of the Liberty Dollar. Somehow he had heard about the new gold and silver currency and was all fired up to become a RCO. No… he wanted to be the best RCO… he wanted to be the SUPER RCO… he wanted to become the National Currency Director and take my place when I retired in 2008. Unfortunately, he didn’t even have the money to be a RCO. As he tried his best to talk his way into the Liberty Dollar organization, he explained that his hypnotism business was failing, he had a wife and two children and needed a new way to make money.

Gray met me on three occasions while I was on tour, always the nice energetic young man with a lot of salesmanship, trying to find a way to participate without any money. Finally he sprang for the $100 starter kit and eventually Gray somehow became a RCO in Texas. He quickly threw himself into the Liberty Dollar with the expressed goal of taking my position when I retired. He and his wife and two children even drove from Dallas to Los Angeles for my retirement.

But for all his words, salesmanship and well intending goals to be the SUPER RCO, Gray’s performance didn’t match the other RCO’s successes. Undaunted, Gray pushed to be my successor and the National Currency Director. Unfortunately for Gray, he lacked any support within the Liberty Dollar organization. Every leader must have the support and hopefully the loyalty of the organization. In fact, everybody was opposed to Gray.

Ultimately, I named Dan Priest, a RCO in California, to be the new Executive Director of the Liberty Dollar because as a former executive with Microsoft and appeared to be better qualified. Unfortunately, Priest quickly showed he had oversold his abilities and beset with family problems at home, he quickly self-destructed.

Meanwhile, Gray would not be deterred. If he could not be the National Currency Director of the Liberty Dollar, second best would be a competitor and he created the American Open Currency Standard. Initially, Gray praised my work and acknowledged me for introducing private currency to him. As he put it, “Bernard energized my passion for honest money.” But he soon found it more advantageous business wise to bash me that ultimately materialized in his April 15 article Liberty Dollar’s arrogance ends in federal ‘guilty’ verdict that was the only negative article about my conviction, not issued by the government. As Gray states in his subtitle, “A title like that requires a LOT of explanation and background. [INDEED!]

The irony of this tragedy is that if I had appointed Gray as the Executive Director of the Liberty Dollar organization, he would certainly had been more successful than Dan Priest, and would have been arrested with me.

Although that article is a low point of Gray’s attitude about the Liberty Dollar, it did not stop Gray from flat out lying. In an era of dishonest government money and Liberty Dollar’s quest to re-establish honest sound money, I find it appalling that at the end of Gray’s latest “Update” of March 7, 2012, under Featured Articles, he features an article on “Face Value” and states: “I invite you to take a moment and read our latest AOCS article update for an in-depth overview of the AOCS Face Value, why it exists, and the formulas we developed to set the suggested exchange rate between AOCS Approved Currencies and fiat currencies.

Rob Gray did not develop those formulas. He did not even write the text in that “Face Value” article. He copied my text and my currency formulas that I developed over 24 years of research and development from 1974 to 1998 when I introduced the Liberty Dollar – the world’s first private, 100% value based, market driven currency designed to move with the metals market. He stole my life’s work. And to make matters worse, in another article he has the audacity to state, “As I wrap up this article (regarding the Liberty Dollar) and evaluate if it reached its goal, I contemplate whether it’s best to stay quiet or to point out what I consider to be valuable insight to help frame what’s really at stake in the case of the Liberty Dollar. In the freedom movement… I do not believe deception or lying is a valid method to bring people to the truth.”

Well I certainly agree that deception or lying is not a valid method to bring people to the truth. And that is doubly true in the honest money movement. I don’t trust anybody who lies to me. And neither should you. The Liberty Dollar has proven itself to be an honest currency.

Editor Note: My work has been documented in countless articles, 162 monthly newsletters from October 1998 and Chapter 48 of my 2003 book: The Liberty Dollar Solution to the Federal Reserve that details the move up from the $10 Silver Base to the $20 Silver Base. For historically purposes to set the record straight: Please note the 2006 edition of the Liberty Dollar model currency schedule is HERE. Gold Schedule of Bases and Move Up Points is HERE. Silver Schedule of Bases and Move Up Points is HERE.

Contrary to Gray lies, I fully support many other activist efforts who use the formulas that I developed. Four noteworthy efforts are: Joshua Deatherage’s Community Currency in central Missouri, Peter Affolter’s Aspen Dollar, Dave Gillie’s Ron Paul Silvers and Ron Helwig’s Shire Silver that is featured in Article 8 below.

Update 32: Why Silver Willie Quit The Mulligan Mint

By Silver Shield, on June 10th, 2013

First the Sales Director of the Mulligan Mint, Gus Demos leaves, then me, then Director of Customer Service, Laura Curry, now Silver Willie himself leaves…

Hear Will Lehr’s behind the scenes look at the drama with Silver Bullet Silver Shield and the Mulligan Mint and why he quit last Wednesday.

I will be . . . → Read More: Why Silver Willie Quit The Mulligan Mint: Update 4

Update 33: Bernard von NotHaus Speaks Out

By Silver Shield, on June 12th, 2013

bernard_silver_summitbBy: Bernard non NotHaus

Admittedly the story of Rob Gray, his brother David, the American Open Currency Standard (AOCS) and the Mulligan Mint et al the entities is a long, sorry tale. And as it is the duty of all participants in a self regulated industry such as “private minting” to protect their industry from fraud, I sound this alarm and encourage everyone involved with any of the entities listed below to take prudent action to protect their interest and their money:

Free Lakota Bank, AOCS (American Open Currency Standard), Mulligan Mint, SLV Properties (Silver Properties), AG Logistics (Silver Logistics), Coins for the Cause, Silver Bullet Silver Shield (owned by Chris Duane but claimed by Rob Gray), TSP Mint (The Survival Podcast Mint), AOCS Mint, Open Currency, Lakota Exchange, AG Trading post, ICBA: (International Commodity Banking Association) that does not exist. Need another name to keep the ponzi running? Just create another entity or a new organization like the ICBA.
Continue reading Crooked Minter Tarnishing Private Silver Reputation?

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Update 34: Missing 40,000 Ounces of Silver From Surprise Audit of Republic Metal’s Silver At The Mulligan Mint?

Details are still coming in, but it has been confirmed by three sources that last week there was a surprise audit by Republic Metals at the Mulligan Mint that has shown 40,000 ounces of silver is missing!

Here are the confirmed details…

Rob was summoned to Miami last week to the Republic Metals headquarters.  Once he arrived he was escorted by two security personnel into an office for the next 7 hours.

Meanwhile in Dallas… a team of auditors and security personnel entered the Mulligan Mint.  All employees were sent home leaving David Gray alone to account for the tens of thousands of ounces of silver owned by Republic.

I have to admit, I love how Republic rolls…   Separating the criminal mastermind from the naive brother that is on the personal hook for all of this fraud, was just classic!

The end of the audit was originally reported to be missing 20,000 ounces, but now is estimated to be 40,000 ounces of silver!

The Gray Brothers now have 60 days to come up with the missing silver. 

Knowing that Rob is going to Freedom Fest today in Las Vegas, I guarantee he is going to be looking for “investors” to bail him out of this mess.

If you are at Freedom Fest, be sure to ask Rob how things are going? 😉

While I am not shocked by this fraud, given the fact since I have had over $500,000 stolen from me, I am sure a lot of people who took Rob’s side are shocked.   😉

The biggest fraud yet to be exposed is the 5 year old Rob Gray owned Free Lakota Bank and the estimated $2 million in silver deposits…

 Update 35: The Mulligan Mint Is DEAD!

$500,000 in missing profits, 71,473 ounces in missing silver, 3 Months, 2 Lawsuits, 1 DEAD Mint.



940 comments to Update 35: I Have Severed ALL Ties With Rob Gray and Mulligan Mint

  • MATT



    WHat a crock of shit!! And this Rob character makes my skin crawl..he’s running a ponzi for sure..just look at the workers in this video..say no more!

  • joe

    Do you have an ETA on the new coins? I can’t wait. I think I will buy like 100 each.

  • Farkas1111

    For what it’s worth I was hyper crytical of you Chris when you first posted about severing with Rob and the Mint. Watching this play out, I have to admit your accusations against Rob and the mint ring true as evidenced by the character, or I should say lack of portrayed by fucktard kokesh, serious piece of shit. Judgement still out on Rob since he’s been smart enough to stay silent. I haven’t read or seen anything posted by him yet. If you have any links, I’d like to see them. You had great designs and I will be purchasing the new ones when they come out. Last question for you; CAN the mulligan or anyone else produce more Slave Queens, Freedom Girls, Triviums or New Years Proofs or BU’s with your 2012 backside design and do you think they will? Peace

  • vinny

    looks like all the orders have been filled by mulligan mint. i was almost the last order filled. besides chris of course.

  • I just picked up 20 coins. Would have been SBSS, but not touching this one for now. Had to settle for boring old JMBullion Philharmonics. Had to. It was time.

    Just not the same now that we got this crap going on.

    I got 20 trivs
    I got 20 Slaves
    I got 20 Freedoms

    When ever your ready Chris to launch anew. I got a regular money drop for ya.

  • Todd

    And now, Kokesh is going to lead thousands of people into DC with loaded weapons on July 4th. The chances of something “Bad” happening, are quite high. Kokesh is showing more and more to be an agent of the elite.

    BTW: The 2nd Amendment in a moot point in DC, as they’re a “City State” and outside the Constitution.

    Like the City States of London and the Vatican, a third city state was officially created in 1871, with the passage of the Act of 1871. That city state is called the District of Columbia and is located on 10sq miles of land in the heart of Washington. The District of Columbia flies its own flag, and has its own independent constitution.

    The constitution for the District of Columbia operates under a tyrannical Roman law known as Lex Fori, which bares no resemblance to the US Constitution. When congress passed the act of 1871 it created a separate corporation known as THE UNITED STATES and corporate government for the District of Columbia. This treasonous act allowed the District of Columbia to operate as a corporation outside the original constitution of the United States and outside of the best interests of American Citizens.

    Although geographically separate, the city states of London, the Vatican and the District of Columbia are one interlocking empire called Empire of the City.

    The flag of Washington’s district of Columbia has three red stars. One for each city state in the three city empire. This corporate empire of three city states controls the world economically, through London’s inner city, militarily through the District of Columbia, and spiritually through the Vatican.

    • marz

      A very important fact to remember. When I tell people about it, they resist to believe. It is well explained in The Empire of “The City”, E. C. Knuth (1946), and in the documentary Ring of Power.

    • D.P.Rosenthal

      Excellent Commentary!
      It is refreshing to see that someone understands our predicament as a Nation.

    • Tyronedeblanco

      Im a bit confused at the insults directed at the TSP coin. I can at least understand the hostility at rob gray (since I wasn’t present to see both sides), but why bash another coin?? It’s silver, and for the cause of fiscal freedom. Aren’t we all on the same path?
      As far as the 55 million, that’s in reference to gun owners in America. I’m not sure what C. Duane is referring to.

      Anyway, the truth will come out. If I get my coins in a fair amount of time, I’ll have to re-evaluate this drama.

    • Master Shepherd

      Adam is also a jew. The zionist media would not reported on this even if they did not want it to happen. I have a feeling that, because their last 3 media terrorist hoaxes were blown they have to resort to something more drastic to get the gun confiscation rolling.

      Who controls the media? zionists
      Who controls the money? zionists
      Who controls the 3 city empire? zionists
      Who controls this march? looking like zionists

  • tjp

    It looks like the TSP Mint’s limited edition Sentinel Ant coin will be sold out in less than 12 hours. So much for people boycotting Rob Gray.

    • marz

      Good for them. I quit being their customer and unsubscribed their newsletter anyway.

    • Steve

      They had a very limited mintage of that medallion – only 1000. People are buying it because it’s Spirko’s – I’m betting they don’t give a rip about Gray or MM, so long as they deliver. Wait two weeks and see if there are any complaints about order fulfillment, but my guess is this will run smoothly since the mint has been churning these out well in advance of sales launching.

      • Tony S.

        Steve I tend to agree with you. If this was a mass produced coin I think it would not have been bought with such fervor. It will be cool because there is only 1000 and it is related to Spirko, but other than that I think a lot of Chris’ SBSS fans will wait for his new coins to buy from his new mint supplier.

  • notladr60

    Chris. I only learned of you and your work about 6 months ago from some link or conversation, etc, via TSP. I have no commitments to any party in this mess – but I must admit that am saddened by it. As far as you pointing out what is not correct with this latest coin.. there is no need. Even someone as untrained as I can see that theres nothing that matches your coins. I had the opportunity to be part of the FG and SQ action but I have yet to see any other coin that matches that quality of design (and I am not speaking of the quality of the coin but what the coin stands for and represents). Particulary FG… she’s absolutely gorgeous in what she represents. The coins speak for themselves (even the not-so-well-designed).

  • tjp

    “They still are using my brand, copyrights, designs, promotional format and trademark without my clear warning not to.”

    Why have you not obtained a court ordered injunction?

  • Matt

    Ok Chris,

    I watched the videos of this Rob guy selling water crap, I know hindsight is 20/20 but come on you’re a smart guy that video give me a huge red flag, he comes across like one of those vacuum cleaner sales men you can’t get out of your house.

    A snake in the grass in the videos at least, maybe he got better at fooling people but if you saw that video before you went into business with him you set yourself up for a huge painful kick in the nuts.

    Leopards can’t change their spots, but they do get better at hiding in the grass….

  • Matt

    Chris watched the video of this Rob guy selling water crap, I know hindsight is 20/20 but that video was like watching one of those vacuum sales men in your living room and you can’t get rid of him.

    He might of got better at fooling people but if you saw these videos before you went into business with him you seriously dropped the ball on your judgement.

    A leopard can’t change his spots but he can get better at hiding in the grass…

    That video was a huge freaking RED FLAG!

    Really sorry what has happened to you with all you have done for so many people, but sometimes violence does solve problems as Craft Mercenaries company mantra states.

  • phil scott

    Is it a 100% total coincidence that Rob Gray and Adam Kokesh are in bed together destroying the silver shield…and ..fronting an armed march on washington that will surely end badly and smear any legitimate protest movement.

    It appears that Gray has cover from above, or he would not be sticking his neck out so far with such obvious fraud.

    I doubt if this is purely circumstantial.

  • James William


  • Battleforce3327

    “It is of great importance to set a resolution, not to be shaken, never to tell an untruth. There is no vice so mean, so pitiful, so contemptible; and he who permits himself to tell a lie once, finds it much easier to do it a second and a third time, till at length it becomes habitual; he tells lies without attending to it, and truths without the world’s believing him. This falsehood of the tongue leads to that of the heart, and in time depraves all its good disposition.”

    –Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, 1785

  • I bought in to the “All SBSS orders fulfilled” gimmick and The Coins for the cause backing and thought it was a Chris Duane friendly site. I then bought sentinals and now after reading Chris’s update, I feel duped. Where is Coins for the Cause in all this? And what is up with them passing themselves off as SBSS?

    • Silver Shield

      Yup they gave the false impression.
      Cancel your order.

      • Tyronedeblanco

        Im a bit confused at the insults directed at the TSP coin. I can at least understand the hostility at rob gray (since I wasn’t present to see both sides), but why bash another coin?? It’s silver, and for the cause of fiscal freedom. Aren’t we all on the same path?
        As far as the 55 million, that’s in reference to gun owners in America. I’m not sure what C. Duane is referring to.
        Anyway, the truth will come out. If I get my coins in a fair amount of time, I’ll have to re-evaluate this drama.

        • Now now Tyrone, you aren’t supposed to ask tough questions here.

          • Tyronedeblanco

            Shrug. I ordered some “homo erotic, long sword wielding,no shirt wearing, sentinels”. They look pretty cool and the symbolism is about protecting your own community / neighbors in a time of crisis and good times. Throw in some LE prepper ant symbolism or some AR-15, Musket, sabre, and shield combo, and that is just plain ole 2nd ammendment symbolism.

            Now if the coin was a homo erotic, long sword wielding, no shirt wearing pic of Chris D. or something related to him…..then i could see his beef. Again, why is Spirko being dragged into this drama?

            • DreadMatt

              Simply because Jack decided to blast Chris Duane with out even hearing Chris’ side of the story. Jack just defended his butt buddy rob gay I mean gray instead of taking neither side or talking to both sides first before posting one hose website his defensive opinion of rob. Let me ask you a logical question, what is Chris’ crime in all this? How does walking away profit Chris if Rob is in the right? Why would Jack Spirco defend his “friend” Rob without reaching out to Chris? Personally I think the sentinel coin suck! That is just an opinion, and that opinion belongs to me. There nothing special on any level about the sentinel coin. I don’t care if its homo erotic or not. The coin is so basic looking and boring. I wouldn’t show that off to anyone if had I’d. However any of Chris’ coin are superior designs. Chris worse looking coin smokes any of the 2 or 3 TSP have. By the way I’ve actually been a TSP listener for over a year. Jack has a lot of great guests like Steve Harris and oh yeah Chris Duane. But frankly I have no idea how Javk inserting his his cock into his mouth about any of this could possibly help his podcast. Unless he had talked to both sides (which he admittedly did not).

              • Tyronedeblanco

                Jacks original criticism was about partnerships. I don’t see anything wrong about accepting the reality of partnerships. If you don’t like something with a partner and you are mid production, is it fair or realistic to just say “give me my stuff I want out now”? I don’t think so. You finish your current production as bad as it may be, then you make arrangements to no longer work with that said partner. Chris’s crime as you put it, would be backing out of a deal / partnership mid production. This is of course assumming that is what happend.

                I can’t speak for Jack obviously but I think he had to make a judgement. It appears to me Jack was going off a business model comon sense decision. Obviously Jack has skin in the game with Rob and went there personally to verify the operation. He had to give an assessment to his crowd of what was going on. His assessment may have been pro Rob, but that was his assesment. It is either yes Rob is credible or not. If Rob is credible, than Chris’s actions must have warranted Jack to choose Rob to continue to business with. If Jack feels safe with Rob, why does he need to seek out Chris’s side? I highly doubt Jack would risk his reputation to his crowd over this. Way to much risk / reward.

                As far as the coins, I’m very neutral to bored about FG. SQ is cool. I think the sent / ant / Bu are great though. To each his own though.

                This whole drama reminds me of a chick leaving a boyfriend, then getting mad cause said boyfriend’s new chick thinks the old chick was wrong for leaving. Then the ex chick goes online and makes 21 statements and multiple videos about not talking to the ex boyfriend and that the new chick is a lesbian.

                Whatever…..we really don’t need any of this honestly, way much bigger issues to fight out there in the name of freedom. Hopefully both sides can stop the mudslinging, move on, and both prosper.

              • I don’t take sides in crap like this. What I know is the following:

                – Chris made an incredibly unprofessional diatribe of emotive diarrhea of the keyboard. Seriously, if he has a case he needs to take a deep breath, take a stiff one, maybe even a Prozac and sit down and write down the facts as he can support them with objective evidence. The nonsense he has posted here wouldn’t survive the first motion to dismiss with good reason. If he has a case, and he wants to articulate it like an adult, good on him and he should do so.
                – Jack has factually refuted many of the claims made. I don’t know much about Chris, but Jack has a pretty solid reputation of not being a liar.
                – Chris wanted to walk off with dies while many orders relying on said dies were not yet fulfilled. Taking profit then taking action preventing the delivery of the product equates to fraud.
                – Chris claims sole ownership to something he neither paid for nor made. His interest in the “art” is limited to the concept. He might be owed royalties of some sort, but that is 100% based on the contractual agreement that Chris by his claims has walked away from.
                – The reintroduction of the slave queen and freedom girl have involved editions distinctly different from the previous versions preserving the exclusivity of the originals.
                – Jack is a separate partner of Rob who was slandered by association by Chris’s claims. Jack has factually claimed to have personal knowledge refuting Chris claims of a fraudulent operation going on and Chris has called him a liar.
                – Jack as a separate partner release a coin that has sentimental value and meaning to members of his audience, and Chris played the homo card.
                – Chris claims to have the sway in the “silver market” yet the premium limited edition Sentinel run of 1000 sold out in under 8 hours, and 5000 of the standard edition sold at retail (aside from dealer purchases) in under 4 days.
                – I for one see zero issue with violence in defense of home and community and having been tea bagged by cup protectors in sparing matches by large sweaty men, I think I’m qualified to say I’m secure in my sexuality enough not to be baited by the homophobe card Chris seems so fond of.

              • Tyronedeblanco

                LoL, I just noticed your argument was filled with name calling / homosexual references…….really??

  • David Barnett

    I bought a proof Freedom Girl for my 5 year old daughter’s birthday. She’s my freedom girl and she absolutely loves her first piece of ‘real treasure.’

    Chris, when you launch your new coins, please continue to use a distributor in Canada. SilverGoldBull.com does a good job.

    Moncton, NB

    • David Richardson

      I have heard SilverGoldBull.com does a great job. I communicated with a Canadian gentleman who purchased one SBSS issue from them [If I remember it was Freedom Girl proof] BEFORE the official release date from the SBSS sales web site. He had gotten his on the 8th of the month with the official release on the 15th. I communicated with him through his eBay listing of a few around the time of official release. I questioned how he could have gotten them so soon since I had ordered on the first day and was waiting. And waiting. In other words the mint sold to them before the official online sales release date. My guess is that was not a Chris Duane approved sale [before the official release date].

  • Peter

    Hello, Can anyone confirm that they still did NOT reveive there order(s) from The Mulligan Mint? Coins for the cause made a post on silverbulletsilvershield.com that all retail orders are fullfilled. I am wondering if that’s correct.




  • so where is this TX justice phone number or website. Lets start something.

  • janet

    right now I’m glad I don’t have extra money to buy ANY silver. Maybe by the time I do this will be cleared up.
    BTW Hope you and yours had a good Easter, Chris!

  • magerlee

    I just got a letter from SBSS saying they are relaunching with what looks like a new coin on may 15th does this have something to do with Chris Duane or not. I love the Silver Bullet Silver Shield series and the Freedom Girl and trivium coins but am a little confused by this whole situation. We ordered 33 Freedom Girls from provident on April 12th and still have not have them shipped out. The guy there said they didn’t have any SBSS coins in their last shipment from Mulligan mint but as far as he knew they were still producing the coins. They said they expected to receive them on the 9th Thursday. I was a little disappointed that provident said they had them in stock and now they are expecting them to arrive. I also ordered them at about $29 and change because I thought they were going to be unavailable and that was the end of their stock. I know provident wouldn’t rip me off as I’ve dealt with them many times in the past. I’ve learned a lot from Chris Duanes videos and respect his message and don’t want to support someone ripping him off. Please help clarify if you can.

    • intothevoid

      no, chris cut ties to M2, they are stealing chris’ thunder and trying to profit off their own relaunch. i wouldn’t suggest dealing with M2 or their products anymore.

      • Magerlee

        I called provident and they said my 33 freedom girls were there and would ship out on Monday. I warned them that they should watch their backs with M2 as they can’t be trusted. They said they are not taking orders for any m2 products at this time as they can’t rely on reasonable delivery times. I also said that I didn’t like the idea of receiving coins from stolen designs and they said these coins were ordered/promised a couple weeks before this fiasco began.

  • SBSS, Silver Bullet Silver Shield, The Return, May 15 Free Reign. Just got the E-mail, so what is up with that? talked about reruns of SBSS coins, and Freedom Girl Proofs? So has anyone else seen this?

  • Mike

    What is this SBSS Service email I got about a relaunch on the 15th..Freedom Reigns?? Is this really SBSS or AOCS BS??

    • PdBallerina

      I’m totally confused…it looks like something you would send out Chris…but I thought you did not have control of that domain??

      • Sharkhead

        I fell for the SBSS service update and as it requested I updated my profile. After reading this post I have since unsubscribed from their service leaving the following reason:
        “You are stealing a name and brand created by Chris Duane. Did some research and found out you are an imposter and not DTOM. Best of luck, I’ll stick with Chris. Regards.”

        I won’t be fooled again.

      • Silver Shield

        That is what they want confusion.

        Total thieves!!!

        They have stolen my brand and designs without my consent.

        I am loading my Honest Men and Thieves video to clarify what is really going on.

        • intothevoid

          i’m sure there is going to be more shit flying come the 15th.

          • Deryl Johnson

            Dear Chris,
            I’m so sorry that a good soul such as Yourself has to go through all of this BS with a loser like Rob. I live in New York and I can smell that creep’s stench from all the way out there. I pray that You will find inner peace enough to carry You through this mess, and I will support any of Your future endeavors with my money and my faith in God. I have always believed that might makes right, and I’m sure that You will come out victorious in the end. Thank You for the beautiful medallions that You have supplied me with in the past, and I look forward to purchasing all of Your future creations, and if You ever had anyone fighting long with You and Your cause, it is ME.
            God bless You, and may he give You the strength to carry You through this trying time. Your Friend, Deryl Johnson
            PO Box 344
            Westfield, NY
            (716) 326-7747

        • DreadMatt

          Just so you know Chris, from what I can see of Rob Gay I mean Gray he had no imagination on any level! It’s laughable that his idea to sell more coins is to take one coin(FG) and put it to another coin(SQ) next he’ll put trivium back to back with Debt And Death (which in my opinion is the best coin ever!). Then he’ll put DAD to SQ and FG to Trivium. Then maybe he can put FG to DAD. Wow the combinations are really really, well limited. As is his imagination. Oh and by the way I’m a TSP listener (which is how I found you) and your worse coin (which I can’t even really say any of them are bad at all!) smoke any of Jack Spirkos best coin! Frankly the sentinel coin sucks TJ donkey dick! IT’S EXTREMELY BORING at best! As for m2 and Rob Gay I mean Gray time will be fair and just to them. Also of I’m not mistaken didn’t Rob Gray work with Liberty Mint? And didn’t that mint have legal issues as well? Hmmm that’s really odd, 2 mints with legall issues both had Rob Gray there. That’s weird!
          I think you idea to have the contests to guess when these goofballs will fold is the best solution. I had to piss them off more then any of the rest. Oh one question, why did Adam Crochless I mean Kocesh get his silly bitch self invalved? Wtf dies he have to do with you or m2? Same question goes for Jack Spirko. I can’t see how either of them weighing in their opinion could possibly help them! Intact with the exception of Steve Harris being on TSP I may not listen now! Jack made it clear that he was defending his “friend” rob gay I mean gray and made it clear that his option was based on that and not reaching out to you to get both sides of the story. To me that smells of conspiracy. In my opinion jack conspired w rob his “friend” to basically slam you and pump his shite coin for his own gain instead say “whoa wtf is going on”? What have I gotten my listeners into. Iran I know Jack works hard 3 hours a day rec editing a podcast but seriously?! Not even seeking the truth before stating his opinion? That’s unprofessional of him! As a loyal TSP listener I’m ashamed of Jack and disappointed!
          Chris I hope you’re vindicated and the truth comes out quick!

  • josh

    I have have spent thousands of dollars to support you and the message buying your coins, you should at least do a youtube video to go over the issues going on with rob gray and the appropriately named mullian mint.By reading other posts people still think you run the sbss website and you don’t, I think you could reach more people that way…or not.

  • tjp

    Chris, again I ask, why have you not obtained a legal injunction against further use of your intellectual property? If you don’t assert your legal right of ownership to protect the SBSS name and designs, they will be “constructively” owned by Rob Gray who will exploit the brand.

    • Silver Shield

      I was involved in mediation to end this amicably but that has failed.
      They plan on stealing my next 4 designs and I will now do YouTube and the expensive and drawn out legal action.

      • Shit! That kinda sucks, bud.

        G’luck with it all.

      • Chad

        I hope the SBSS name and reverse design are listed as property of the SBSS LLC. Hope the same for the artwork for each proposed release. If nothing less, they could go ahead with your obverse art while you use the same art with your reverse though another mint. If that buzzard reverse competes against the SBSS reverse, the SBSS reverse will likely be the one in demand.

  • Plataschild

    I am really disappointed to see Jack Spirko involving himself in all of this. I have been a long time customer of his, he introduced me to Chris, Jack even promoted Chris’s Medallions and convinced me to invest into SBSS. Now, I can’t even complain about the MM without Jack calling me a hero worshiper or “Duane Drone”. As a mutual SBSS and TSP customer I feel I do not deserve any of this. Jack claims Chris is acting like a child? What are you doing Jack? Any disenting post that is made on your blog or youtube channel gets moderated away. Can’t handle the difficult questions? Jack, you are now promoting Permaculture design & ethics. What are Permaculture ethics? Do NO harm to the land, to PEOPLE, and return your surplus. Start practicing what you preach, and maybe you will stop loosing valued customers. How are those sales for your new Medallions going Jack? Not what you expected?

    • tyronedeblanco

      I’m very confused and not a fan of either side fighting each other, that being said, I’m not sure how Jack got drug into this. The issue is between Rob and Chris to my understanding. Jack gave his opinion on the matter regarding from a business standpoint and left it at that. Then Chris decided to attack the TSP coin for what reason I can’t figure out…..and here we are.

      As far as Jack not selling many…..it looks like he is. He sold out his LE homo-erotic long sword holding no shirt wearing sentinels / ant coins in 7hrs. As of now his regular homo-erotic long sword holding shirtless sentinels / 55million coin has sold over 5000 in less than 5-6days. Maybe that’s not considered a lot in the silver community??? I’m not sure, so inform me please. It seems like it, but maybe I’m wrong.

      • Plataschild

        Jack did more than give his “business standpoint” and did not “just leave it at.” He inserted himself into this, because he said he has a vested interest in the mint’s partner’s relationships. He has been making statements regarding Chris & Rob’s “partnership” and about what happened on Chris’s last visit to the mint as if he had first-hand knowledge. Jack implied that Chris wanted to leave with the SBSS dies to start a mint with someone else, probably Gus. If you have been following his Jack’s podcasts, Jack said if he was Rob, he would have kicked Chris’s ass. He has been calling him an adult child for weeks.
        Good luck finding the audio, looks like he has now scrubbed the content from his site. It was not until 5/8 that Chris said anything derogatory against Jack’s Medallion.
        In less than 13 hours SBSS sold 10,000 ounces of Freedom Girl, and that was when silver was $31, so I’m pretty certain they were hoping for double that by 24 hours.

        • Tyronedeblanco

          I heard the cast you are talking about. He broke down a what a partnership is. Jack personally went there and videoed the operation for the rest of us to be as transparent as possible.

          After he did the video and explained what a partnership is, C. Duanne took a shot at Jack’s partnership with Rob and his coins. “Homo Erotic etc etc.”

          If you listend to the cast, it was an explination of what a partnership is, and he did say that if C. Duanne had done that to him, he would of kicked his ass.
          When is the last time you had someone as a partner want to completely pull out mid operation? You wouldnt be upset? It would be your livelihood at stake. A great example was put up about baking apple pies in an oven and one partner wanting the sugar back that was in the pies mid cook. That is Jack’s original buisness comment.

          As far as what happend between Chris and Rob and who is telling the truth, i really dont know. I wasnt there and im reading both sides stories trying to get a hunch on who is lying. Usually, there is a mid point of truth between both sides. The one thing i have noticed though is that Chris appears to be more emotional and into public slandering versus Rob. Bad handling of the situation?? Could be.

          Ive been following Jack for 2 years now and he seems to be pretty down to earth and inspects things thouroughly before taking them to his crowd though. Im not buying a ton like some, but enough that if this blows up in my face, i’ll probably not buy anything Jack endorses when it comes to coins again.

          Sorry for the long rant, i guess we will see eventually who comes out in the wash and hopefully both sides can somehow repair things because most of us are on the same side of fiscal freedom and the cause of liberty. Cheers.

    • DreadMatt

      Just so you know, I’m totally with you! Wtf is jack deal?! He seems like a honest fair guy. But re read his post on this. He makes it very clear Rob Gay I mean Gray is his “friend” and he never once mention reaching out to Chris to find out Chris’ take on the situation. He basically defends his Butt Buddy RobGay! Even if Jack knew 100% Rob’s side of the story, being in a unique posission why wouldn’t Jack (even if for bother other than shits and giggles) get ahold of Chris and say “Chris I heard what was going on I’d like to hear you take so I have a more informed opinion”. But no Jack did what Jack dost best, give an uniformed opinion. By the way the sentinel coin is at best a desperate attemp at donkey dick suckin. It’s a horrible coin! I’d be embarrassed to show it off! And can anyone Please explain to me (email me mattdtn@gmail.com ) why jack spirko or Adam Krotchless are defending M2 and RobGay? What does SBSS have to do with TSPmint or Adam Krotchmouth? I don’t get why they would insert their opinion on a matter that’s clearly about SBSS and concerning RobGay and Chris D. I never heard once Chris mention how lame TSPmint coins were or how silly Adam Krotchmouth looks in a wifebeater. Yet they are preaching what stain Chris is. What a bunch of attentions whores! Oh btw I am stating now that I believe Adam Krotchfingers march on DC is a bad idea. Any ass hole can pretend he’s matching with Adam and fire a shot at a cop to start a war. This is a dumb dumb dumb idea. History shows us corrupt governments love to stage false flags. And Adam you’re practically planning the false flag for the elite, you moron!

      • Tyronedeblanco


        How is anyone supposed to take you seriously (and I tried) with all the name calling / homo references? Adam looks like a wife beater??? That is liberal 101 to attack people with name calling when in a debate. Honestly you are coming off as a plant. Your name calling / emotional outburst are very duanne-esque.

        • DreadMatt

          You misunderstood I meant Adam wearing a wifebeater. And I don’t care I you take me seriously or not. Answer the non name calling question I have. Can you do that? Instead of sidetracking to the talking pints of liberal 101 (which btw I’m not a liberal)
          Answer this, why did jack never once mention attempting yo reach Chris to hear chris side of the story? If jack is so honest and unright, why was he name calling? What does jack gain from siding with Rob vs just finding out the truth? I have never once heard Jack Spirko say he tried to hear both sides of the story before stating his opinion. Infact If you re read his original post he makes it clear that rob is his “friend”.
          Ok so take me seriouly now! No name calling. No emotion rant. I apologize to Adam and rob gray for my immature name calling.
          Can you, no will you answer those questions?
          Feel free to email me mattDTN@gmail.com
          I have listens to TSP for a year. And frankly the fact that Jack did not call (or at least he never mentions that he attped to contact) Chris Duane but then name calls Chris and defends Rob is very very strange and highly suspicious.

        • DreadMatt

          Oh and I have another question. Can you answer this? No name calling. No emotional rant. Just serious question that you should be asking yourself. Do you believe in all honesty that Rob Gray is co-founder of the silver bullet and silver shield?
          I’m not asking if in any way did Robs company AOCS or Muligan Mint help sell or promote them. I’m asking do you believe Ro Gray is the co-founder of SBSS? And next non name calling question do you think Rob Gray believes he is co-founder of SBSS?
          Can you answer that?
          Now I was serious. I called no one names. Can you answer those questions? Yes or no?

        • DreadMatt

          @Tyronedeblanco where are you? You were so quick to dismiss me with the “liberal 101” talking points thing. But now that I have admitted I was acting immature by calling Adam and rib names and then challenging you with honest real unanswered questions on a serious manner, where are you? I even have you my email mattDTN@gmail.com. I just checked it. Nobody email me concerning this post. It’s easy to attack me with “I can take you seriously because you’re name calling. But when I challenge where are you? Are you taking me seriously now?

          • DreadMatt

            @Tyronedeblanco it’s been an hour since you posted last! Where are you? You can attack me for attacking jack and rob and Adam, which I have apologized for. I’ll take one step further. Adam, jack and rob I have called you dirty names at an attempt at humor at your expense. If you’re reading this Adam, Jack, or Rob will you forgive me for calling you names?
            Now I have done what a MAN does when he is wrong. Are you Tyronedeblanco a man? Will you answer my questions? Can you answer my questions? Are you taking me serious now? Where are you?

            • Tyronedeblanco

              I answered the same question earlier in a previous post, I cannot check every 5 mins.

              “Jacks original criticism was about partnerships. I don’t see anything wrong about accepting the reality of partnerships. If you don’t like something with a partner and you are mid production, is it fair or realistic to just say “give me my stuff I want out now”? I don’t think so. You finish your current production as bad as it may be, then you make arrangements to no longer work with that said partner. Chris’s crime as you put it, would be backing out of a deal / partnership mid production. This is of course assumming that is what happend.”

              As far as Rob Gray co ownin sbss, I have no idea. I’m assuming no, but I never knew C.Duanne or sbss existed until all this. I knew about Rob and the Acos previously from Ron Paul. I’m only here to get a gauge on C.duanne and his followers since I’m buying coins from the TSP mint.

              • DreadMatt

                “As far as Rob Gray co ownin sbss, I have no idea. I’m assuming no, but I never knew C.Duanne or sbss existed until all this. I knew about Rob and the Acos previously from Ron Paul. I’m only here to get a gauge on C.duanne and his followers since I’m buying coins from the TSP mint.”

                You admit you know nothing about SBSS and thee it is!
                I suggest you actually research SBSS before engaging in debate! Rob had nothing to do with SBSS. So let me ask you a question. Knowing factually Rob had nothing on any level with the creation or founding of SBSS (by the way, do you even know what SBSS stands for?) how can you do business with a known liar? I’m not talking “marketing” or semantics, taking credit for some another person invented and created, it’s a flat out lie! Not well rob helped create and founded it in some way. SBSS was around months actually over a year before Chris had ever meet Rob!
                Another point you should make yourself understand, jack admitted there have in the past been issues with production and quality at Muligan mint. Now jack tried to back track by saying “get your shit together” (I believe that’s an exact quote but I was going from memory) and making seem like everything was ok. But ask yourself why is jack defending Rob when Chris and jack have said there are customer service issues and quality control issues? You can’t say Chris was making this up to get out of a bad deal when jack has (on a much smaller scale) made the same complaints. It’s obvious something is going on at M2 that’s making people very unhappy!
                And to address you statement about a bad partnership. Yes it is ethical to break out of a toxic partnership when one party is not in holding their end of the deal. This happens in business all the time. If you represented hundreds of clients and your partnership was causing those clients to get ripped off you would be doing you clients I disservice by continuing the partnership for the sake of sticking withit to the end. That idea is totally silly!

        • DreadMatt

          That’s funny @Tyronedeblanco how you dismiss me for name calling yet when challenges with intellectual question you run away! I’m mocked by you then when asked questions you know you cannot answer you seemingly run away! You have my email. There are no excuses! You see you know in your heart something in all of this is very very wrong. I too know this is all messed up and wrong. For all I know Chris Duane is a con a pulling a fast one! But I’m looking at the whole thing as if I were there asking honest questions. I don’t know the truth! Do you? Can you vouch 100% fir Jack Spirko or Rob Gray or even Chris Duane? I can’t and won’t! However I find it so very odd that Rob Gray’s behavior is at best erratic. And having listened to Jack for over a year I can say I think of those three men him I know the best (not personally but as a person in whom spent many hours listening to) when you spend that many hours listening to someone on some level you get to know their personality . You pick up on small things. And my BS detector went of on Jack! He made no public attempt to reach truth. He only defenses his friend. How can you trust Jack when you know in your heart Jack only defended his friend and his vested interest with mulligan mint? Seriously doesn’t that alone raise red flags in your mind? Listen I’m at this point not even defending Chris! Except for the fact hands down Chris’ coin designs are far better but that’s really not the point, the point is Jacks peculiar behavior is what’s leanings to believe Chris’ side of the story more than Robs. And another thing. Why is Adam kokesh defending Rob? What is in it for Adam? Honestly I don’t know much about the guy except he says he is a libertarian and planning a march in dv july4. Why the heck is he throwing his opinion in there? There has to be a reason why. Something is at steak for Adam. The question is what?
          Now I have made ask hard question that I don’t know if you are prepared to face reality with. You have had almost 2 hours to respond to my question angrier slamming and now you’re gone! What kind of a person are you?
          Again where are you?

          • Tyronedeblanco

            I’ve answered u in this post and one previously. May I reccomed you taking a breath?

            • DreadMatt

              Yeah I was writing that last post while you were writing yours. I hadn’t seen a response for an hour and 45 min.

            • DreadMatt

              Look Tyronedeblanco, the bottom line is obvious you nor I can know the while truth as if now. I’ve stated I’m a TSP listener and a fan of Chris. So instinctually humans want to pick sides. However looking at the evidence thus far Jacks strange behavior has pushed me away from his position on this issue! I think Rob Gray could be a dangerous person and his mint too! I’ve pointed out to you where Rob had outright lied. If you want to do business with a liar you are taking a chance. But it’s your money. Do whatever you want. I think that jack not reaching out to Chris is a potentially bad move for Jack and his audience! Jack could possibly be blinded by a friendship he had with Rob and that is dangerous for Jacks audience because lots of people will just buy and not research!
              If you want to know the truth about Rob Gray I will tell you something Chris won’t. rib has had involvements with mints in the past (going off of memory but I believe it was Liberty Mint) in which the owner was arrested and prosecuted and imprissioned for counterfeiting! Now to be fair, I think these charged may have been trumped up the the government to “make a point” however the fact that Rob Gray was there and now he is basically stealing SBSS designs is really damning!
              It’s actually harder for me to believe rob is a victim and Chris is just some A hole throwing a fit when I know that in the past Rob has had shady dealings. I was willing to overlook that to give Rib a second chance because I believe people can change and should get a second chance. However this is looking more and more like the works a con artist. Although I’m not saying that’s what it is but it’s looking really bad for Rob. Now ask yourself if your willing to take a chance with your hard earned money to support such a person? I’ll tell you what I did, I traded 10 Oz of SBSS silver for a 1953 browning shotgun. And I will buy future SBSS silver that’s not affiliated with Rob Gray.
              Just ask yourself If buying a few coins is worth financing someone like Rob Gray who is a known liar and had been invalved withints in the past that have been seized by the government for counterfeit….

            • DreadMatt

              And another question you still can’t answer why jack spirko or Adam kokesh are spending their time defending Rob? What business is it of theirs? What on any level does Jack Spirko have to do with SBSS? Nothing! It’s none of his business! I might, might not say tht had Jack actually been fair and at least tried to hear Chris out! But he didn’t!
              Again why don’t Jack want find Truth? Person gain most likely. I can’t say on every level Jack is a greedy man. However him stating his opinion without seeking the other side while having business dealing either the side he’s defending is obvious!
              Jack you actions to defend a friend and NOT seek truth (which truth should rank higher than friend) disgusts me! Jack please ManUp and explain why you didn’t seek truth before giving your opinion! Your audience deserves to know!

              • Tyronedeblanco

                I’m not sure why Adam got involved. No clue, I know of him and like some of his libertarian views but don’t follow him much.

                Jack stating his business perspective and not gettin Chris’s story….I can only guess he is calming some if his crowds concerns over the drama. In addition to that I’m guessing he has seen enough to determine that Chris got cold feet and bailed on a partnership. Throw in the “a woman scorned” approach Chris has taken, it probably reinforced Jack’s judgement that TS mint involvement with Rob is safe. Jack had to take a stance of some sort since there was drama involving MM. How could he possibly launch his sentinels with doubt in the air?

                I’m personally here to watch Chris and his followers to get an idea for myself of what is going on. Speed of the leader determines the rate of the pack. I think Jack decided to not get Chris’s side because of the way Chris has responded to all this, I could be very wrong though. Someone in Chris’s camp should have stopped him from coming off as a scorned woman. I don say that as ridicule, it just looks that way.

                If Rob is a con artist and Jack is somehow involved (which I doubt), Chris has lost the PR battle with his emotional antics.

  • timar2

    I received the following email today from the Mulligan Mint and it looks like they are now marketing the sculpts and dies as Rob’s. Chris…I guess your YouTube video must of really pissed them off! Here’s an excerpt from the email…

    “Mulligan Mint will be minting coins live and direct from the Metals & Minerals Investment Conference in New York, May 13-14!

    We’re excited to announce that Mulligan Mint will be coming to you live and direct from the 2013 Metals & Minerals Investment Conference with the M3 Mulligan Micro Mint DCS Press!

    In addition, Mulligan Mint founder, and co-founder of Silver Bullet Silver Shield, Rob Gray will be displaying his famous Freedom Girl, Slave Queen, and Debt & Death sculpts and dies!”

    • DreadMatt

      LMMFAO! This is laughable! Co-founder of SBSS? Really? Guess what I’m making the claim right hear and right now I too am a co-founder of SBSS. Even though I never even heard of Chris Duane or sans until a year ago. Somehow I’m still a co-founder of SBSS. Lol. Also I created gravity and disco. And I can hear colors and smell shapes. Wtf is this crazy (RobGay I mean Gray) claiming? I think in robs mind he really is co-founder of SBSS and he’s being polite by stating he’s co-founder and not sole founder. When I read that email I was like “come on really”? Who will buy this crap?

  • William

    I jus got another SBSS email bomb. It says “Mulligan Mint founder, and co-founder of Silver Bullet Silver Shield, Rob Gray will be displaying his famous Freedom Girl, Slave Queen, and Debt & Death sculpts and dies!” At the metals and minerals investment conference in New York may 14-15.

    Are you kidding me?!! HIS sculpts and dies?!!

    Maybe you can report the property stolen and Now that you know where they are and when, maybe you can file a lien or injunction with the court to get the Marshall’s to help you reclaim your stolen property. I’m no criminal justice grad or lawyer but, I know if I steal something of someone else’s they have reported stolen and I know where it is an can prove its mine, the police can seize it as at least hold it until the court rules. I’ve done it with a brand new backhoe I had stolen from me years ago.

  • AS

    It’s official! Just received email:
    Mulligan Mint will be minting coins live and direct from the Metals & Minerals Investment Conference in New York, May 13-14!

    We’re excited to announce that Mulligan Mint will be coming to you live and direct from the 2013 Metals & Minerals Investment Conference with the M3 Mulligan Micro Mint DCS Press!

    In addition, Mulligan Mint founder, and co-founder of Silver Bullet Silver Shield, Rob Gray will be displaying his famous Freedom Girl, Slave Queen, and Debt & Death sculpts and dies!

    There will also be 1500 official, limited edition Metals and Minerals copper medallions given away, so stop by BOOTH 100 to get yours. For more information, visit http://mulliganmint.com.


    Silver Willy
    Director of Coins for the Cause
    The Return | May 15
    Copyright © 2013 SBSS, All rights reserved.

    This is really getting interesting! Rob has no plans of backing off. I only hope Chris has all his legal ducks in a row…only time..and a judge… will tell. How extremely unfortunate and what a mess.

  • Carina

    I unfortunately am still on the SBSS mailing list. Did you see the latest – here is the content of the email I got TODAY.

    Mulligan Mint will be minting coins live and direct from the Metals & Minerals Investment Conference in New York, May 13-14!
    We’re excited to announce that Mulligan Mint will be coming to you live and direct from the 2013 Metals & Minerals Investment Conference with the M3 Mulligan Micro Mint DCS Press!

    In addition, Mulligan Mint founder, and co-founder of Silver Bullet Silver Shield, Rob Gray will be displaying his famous Freedom Girl, Slave Queen, and Debt & Death sculpts and dies!

    Rob Gray certainly is just waving his large ones out in front of you now…

    I am one of the customers who had faith that my order of Freedom Girls would show up. I ordered on January 28th (and was supposed to get a Copper round too but did not), did not receive them until after sending 3 emails, calling and threatening “never again would I order from SBSS’. In the mean time, Provident had the Freedom Girls so I ordered from them. It was painfully obvious what was going on – the distributors got the metals first, and the small individual consumers had to wait for 2 and a half months!!
    My order from SBSS came one week before the Provident order (without the freebie Copper round). Chris I believe what you have said is true. GO GET YOUR DIES BACK!!!!!!!!!

  • bs

    “In addition, Mulligan Mint founder, and co-founder of Silver Bullet Silver Shield, Rob Gray will be displaying his famous Freedom Girl, Slave Queen, and Debt & Death sculpts and dies!” LMAO

  • Adam

    Hey Chris,
    So any reason why there is no mention of “Silver” or the purity of the metal mentioned in the lasted email from mulligan mint advertising the release of the stolen freedom girl slave queen double-obverse medallion???

    • magerlee

      This Rob gray guy is something else , you can tell he is the “real deal” with his “New” Free Reign coin, slave Queen/Freedom Girl (obverse/obverse) if you purchase 100 you get a double Obverse Freedom Girl, What do you know. 101 “TWO-FACED” coins for the price of 100, TELL-TELL. Not only that but the first 1000 of the presses are being sent straight to ANAC’S for grading–are you kidding me– you might as well have them graded by Bernanke. & Rob himself guarantees that they will grade a 69 or better, well that is at least equal to a -3 at a real grading company and a guarantee from Rob Gray is at least as good as a promise from Satan. Maybe there is no limit to haw low ROB will go……Well….. his name is ROB after all he must live up to his namesake.:huh:

  • R. Barnhart

    I received an email for SBSS Free Reign. I followed the link to Facebook and ran into the YouTube video. Loved it nice kick in the balls. I was very unhappy with the coin release and became really pissed off when I read about the re-release of Slave Queen and Freedom Girl. I now understand that they are doing this to ruin your name while lining there pockets. Good luck with the lawsuits. I am out of the SBSS fan club looking for something new to catch my eye.

  • “silver bullet silver shield” (rob grey & MM) have started a facebook page… everyone report it as spam or a scam and get it removed..

    • AS

      Thanks for the head’s up. Just reported it as spam or a scam. Yes, everyone should do this…takes only a minute.

      I believe in karma and think Rob will get his comeuppance, one way or another. It is difficult for me to understand, because of my upbringing and trying to live my life by the Golden Rule, how Rob thinks he can get away with this obvious theft of property. Arrogance does not begin to describe this maggot’s behavior. Despite Chris’ attempts to educate us on how to recognize psychopaths, the irony of this happening to him, I’m sure, is not lost. But, Chris has a great attitude and wife who supports him during this miserable, back-stabbing nonsense. I have been betrayed…what doesn’t kill you makes you stronger. Chris will persevere and I, for one, will support his future endeavors. It’s the least I can do for a guy who filled in many of the gaps in my knowledge base, answered many questions, and, most importantly provided a very simple solution: STACKING SILVER. Chris: go get ’em!!

    • MATT

      Can’t find it ..whats it called? there is a SBSS but I think that was Chris??


  • marchas45

    Hi! Chris I really appreciate the contest but I’m really not interested in Mulligan Mint Silver, it’s probably underweight anyway. God speed on your quest to recover your items from the sleazeball.

  • Farkas1111

    This is in response to Update 16 Video Honest men and thieves. When I first received email from: Silver Bullet Silver Shield service@silverbulletsilvershield.com via mail123.us4.mcsv.net, announcing
    May 15th Launch I immediately realized it was from Mulligan mint. I unsubscribed
    from their list and when asked for reason my response was,

    ” Even your email has Chris’s Company’s name – What’s wrong can’t drum up business w/out him and his name. How Fucking Pathetic. I hope you loose your ASS in the pending Lawsuit. And btw the last batch of coins I got from you I cut my finger pretty severly. I video taped it and will be bringing a suit myself, so again to recap, GO DIE”.

  • Erin

    I sent them an honest reason to them when I unsubscribed to them just today. Just waiting for you to relaunch your own products again Chris.

  • Bernie H

    In my own personal opinion, going public and writing these articles might not have been the best way to handle things. A simple court action such as an injunction would stop them from using your dies, under a simple copyright protection. If however the dies are owned by Mulligan Mint but the copyright is not, then this is a stickier situation…and a court may not allow the injunction based on that. My brother is an artist and has had to lawfully enforce his designs and artistic productions.
    One issue I have with all of your writings, is that it negatively effects hundreds of small bullion dealers like myself and others that have supported and sell AOCS approved/produced barter rounds and I don’t think you took that into account when writing these articles because you were so angry about the situation. We, the small time bullion dealers, certainly have done nothing to either party involved in this important issue, yet all the negativity and comments surrounding it does have an impact on the sales of AOCS barter items. Which I don’t believe to be fair. I support your efforts, have been on board with your designs and follow your work, as well as support all copyright holders in maintaining control over their designs.
    It’s great you have opinions about others, but making comments publicly about Spirko’s TSP or others that are doing business with MM, instead of keeping your comments and opinions strictly centered on Rob Gray is not really called for. For the record I do not know Spirko personally and don’t know RG either, but have been on board with AOCS products and message for a number of years and have had no issues to speak of. The public actions/comments, etc on both sides of this issue can be used in a court of law when and if this issue develops into a court case and I would just caution you on that…don’t give them any fire to use against you. I support truth and justice in all forms and eventually everything will indeed come out….I hope sooner than later. I will continue to follow your work, support your site, tell others about your sons of liberty academy, etc… I will also continue to support the ideas behind the AOCS barter medallions. It is important to me to support sound money, barter networks and the like, as the message of such is bigger than you, RG, MM, myself and is definitely needed in these changing times. One thing I hope you will consider is the negative effect certain comments may have on innocent people as they struggle to do business, much like yourself. As stated, I support your efforts, rights and freedoms, but hope that more thought is put into comments that may effect more people than just RG.

    Good luck and God bless,

  • I had an idea, perhaps if others duplicate it we can destroy the market for these stolen coins before it starts.

    I have been selling SBSS on ebay quite successfully, so I went on and made some sales for the news coin Free Reign….

    I labeled it as stolen copyrighted material, involved in lawsuits with C.Duane and the Texas AG, said it was made of tungsten in China, added a link here, and warned everyone not to buy it.

    If everyone with an active ebay account would just copy paste my auction we could destroy any market for this garbage.

    ebay user rl999

    Hope this helps C.Duane.

    • PdBallerina

      I like the idea, but I wouldn’t put the tungsten/China part because is not true…no need to be deceptive…

  • duplicate the ebay sale posts of rl999

    copy and paste this into ebay sales


    Mulligan Mint, aka MM, aka M2 is STEALING the SBSS designs from Chris Duane

    The newest release, pictured above represents nothing less than outright theft of intellectual property, copyrighted designs, and trademarks.

    There is ongoing legal action against the mulligan mint from both via the Texas AG, representing the individual buyers (us, the little guys) and the investors who are being defrauded, and from the rightful owner of the coins, copyrights and designs, Chris Duane.

    • PdBallerina

      If the Free Reign website says “Mintage 0” does that mean they did not sell any? Or they just haven’t made any yet?

  • Timbo

    “I do not care about my lost time, energy, money, opportunity, reputation, or silver.” ~ Chris Duane


    • Silver Shield

      I offered to forgo all the profits the owe me for them to turn over or even mutually destroy the dies.

      NO. They want to steal my work AND stiff me AND hurt the value of all those that invested in this.

  • ShortStacker33

    Contest Entry:

    1) M2 closes for good: 13JUN2014
    2) FLB closes for good: 13JUN2014
    3) Raid of M2: 05MAY2014
    4) Will Lehr quit/fired: 25DEC13
    5) N/A
    6) RG to Singapore: 25JUN2014
    7) Grand Prize: 28AUG2015


  • My Grand Prize submission: Never

  • tomas perez

    1.mulligan mint shut down when free reign reaches 15,000 sales!
    2.lakota shut down a month after mulligan mint
    3.tax authorities by july
    4.will is going down with the ship!
    6.im not going to answer number six because i don’t want that coin or card lol
    7.grand prize the dollar will collapse before that happens!

  • Michael Fantuzzi

    I received an e-mail yesterday from SBSS and I opened it because they are usually from Chris. After opening it and reading the contents, I was amazed by the effrontery. I immediately unsubscribed from any further e-mails from them as I do not want anything to do with them. Actually, I have not wanted anything to do with them shortly after my last order in early february. I feel fortunate in having received that order after two months, but would never order from them again. Especially not now. As to my answers to the above questions:
    Day Mulligan Mint closes: 8/1/13
    Day Free Lakota bank closes: 8/1/13
    Day state, federal or tax agencies raid Mulligan Mint: 8/1/13
    Day Will Leir quits/gets fired: 6/1/13
    Day Rob Gray flees U.S. for Singapore: 8/2/13

  • speedspirit

    Mulligan Mint closes for good April 1 2014
    Free Lakota Bank closes for good Nov 1 2013
    Raid on Mulligan Mint August 21 2013
    Will gets fired or quits July 15 2013
    #5 N/A
    Rob will never make it to Singapore he will be too broke or disgraced to get there.

  • Al

    I’m going for the grand prize here: “The Grand Prize is for whoever guesses the day that I get all of my customers fulfilled, my dies, my URL, my silver, my money that I am owed and this entire drama ends”

    My guess is Friday the 11th of April, 2014.

    That way Chris get the weekend to celebrate :)

  • Orange

    the day the Mulligan Mint closes for good: 3rd September 2013

    the day that Free Lakota Bank closes for good: 14th August 2013

    the day that the first State or Federal agency or tax authority raids the Mulligan Mint: 09th July 2013

    the day that Will Lehr quits/fired from the Mulligan Mint: 3rd June 2013

    the day Rob Gray flees the country to Singapore: 30th August 2013

    the day that I get all of my customers fulfilled, my dies, my URL, my silver, my money that I am owed and this entire drama ends: 26th October 2013

  • Kyle

    Thanks for the update Chris! Didn’t know Silver Willy went over to the dark side and took the new name of Slick Willy.

  • Chad

    Being somewhat knowledgeable regarding business operations and banking, the one thing that started me thinking things were not in order at Mulligan was the cessation of credit card acceptance. To quell my curiosity, I initiated an order a few minutes ago for the prerelease of the new Mulligan offering; Mulligan still isn’t accepting credit card payments. This should raise some red flags for everyone considering purchasing. I won’t assume anything regarding Mulligan, but the $29.99 minting premiums, lack of credit card payments, etc. doesn’t pass my “open my wallet” test.

  • Constitutional Theater

    Chris Duane,

    I feel for you, sir. I enjoy your work, and hope you get things straightened out favorably with Rob and the MM. It is courageous of you to come out against Rob and the mint, because it does damage to your credibility and brand as well. I don’t know how you could do more at what you are doing, but as long as you are going public with this issue, it might help to emphasize your own lapse in judgment in getting involved with this creep in the first place. Psychopaths, grifters, and con men are out there. And it really sucks getting “had” by a fraud. But, as PT Barnum reminds, “there’s a sucker born every second.” It’s good to call attention to criminals and psychopaths. At the same time, in those unfortunate instances where you have played the lamentable role of “the sucker,” it’s good to balance the blame of others with a public acknowledgement of your own responsibility, and failure to perform due diligence. I am a fan of yours. I AM NOT a plant or a shill (for those conspiracy-minded folks among you). But, I will be reluctant to do business or invest in anything of yours for a good long while Chris Duane because as bad as Rob’s behavior appears to be, YOU are the one who invited him into the lives of your clients and customers. The more you focus your rants on THAT fact, and demonstrate accountability and how you intend to solve that issue in the future, the more comfortable I will feel as a potential future customer. This is a bit of honest feedback from someone whom, although we have never met, you may consider a fan a and a friend. Thanks for all you do. I wish we have 10,000 more just like you.

    • Silver Shield

      I have done everything in my power to protect everyone who invested with this from shutting down all sales on March 11th to giving the Mint breathing room to fulfill to now applying all pressure to make this end for good.

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