Mulligan Mint: What goes around, comes around… or does it?

Straight from Mulligan Mint’s page: http://mulliganmint.com/discover-m2/history/

Sounds awfully familar don’t it,

a little bit of déjà vu for you

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14 comments to Mulligan Mint: What goes around, comes around… or does it?

  • Paul Lucki

    I had to send mulligan mint an e-mail ” Rob Gray you are a coward hiding behind Ayn Rand , For Chris Duane go fuck yourself.” When I saw him wearing a John Galt T-shirt it made me wanna puke.

    • intothevoid

      i love how in this story rob got on some ‘white knight’ shit for his lady friend when things were amiss.

      but the minute chris does the same thing, on behalf of his interests and the interests of sbss customers, he’s pretty much told to fuck off.

      honor, courage, commitment… rob should probably look into the definition of these words.

    • James Woroble Jr

      If you recall John Galt’s espousal of his “rational self-interest” philosophy (noting it is devoid of moral or ethical principles exceeding those of an atypical sociopath) ROB-ert was merely subliminally advertising his ‘Id’ like an inside joke.

      No blame. It would have taken the perceptive abilities of Sherlock Holmes or the insight of Carl Jung to have been forewarned.

  • James Woroble Jr

    >>>

    “honor, courage, commitment… rob should probably look into the definition of these words.”

    >>>

    Being familiar with the ethos and pathology of the eternal Khazar, one should have a greater expectation of a sewer rat singing Mozart’s ‘Figaro’ to absolute perfection.

  • Joseph

    I have to admit that I am not altogether surprised.

    Rob Grey misrepresented himself from the beginning. The AOCS which Rob claimed was his own brain child was taken chapter and verse from the Liberty Dollar model architected by BVNH. His organization was thus founded on a lie. Further when he then pronounced the Liberty Dollar to be non-compliant with AOCS, it showed disrespect and dishonor. So despite all the good he has done, we decided early in our project to have nothing to do with this man and are now grateful for that foresight.

    This endeavor seems to attract two types of people, those with a deep ethical foundation, and the opposite. This behavior is the continuation of a well established pattern and though it is our misfortune to share an industry with this man, it is our blessing to share nothing else with him.

    With LIBERTY and JUSTICE for all.

    • James Woroble Jr

      >>>
      “So despite all the good he has done…”
      >>>

      Never form an opinion regarding character or the spiritual nature of a man based upon a few good deeds.

      Regarding a similar situation, a retired Navy Chaplin informed a group of us at a social gathering many years ago, “God has yet to make a man that is so evil, that he doesn’t do something good on occasion.”

      Also, personality is what is displayed when everyone is looking. Character is what comes out to play when they’re no longer around. Know the difference between these two human attributes and never confuse them.

      • intothevoid

        Never form an opinion regarding character or the spiritual nature of a man based upon a few good deeds.

        that’s a good point to keep in mind. that, and integrity.

    • intothevoid

      @joseph

      if you would like to share more of your insight or story regarding your experiences with rob and your project, feel free to write something up, let me know, and i’ll post it for you.

  • Action

    Well, I have not seen the evidence of the complete investigation yet, but some is formulating, per Chris. I will still listen to all and trust none, and not follow the current intuitions so far. I will respect Chris’ right to make the decision and his logic behind it, however we are currently going with the collective agreement without the complete “truth” yet. This is simply my opinion and I want to unbiased , but desire to allow others to wait for the complete truth without forming hard permanent opinions yet. – my 2 cents

    • intothevoid

      i seen this last night, and while there is much more to this than what has been printed, i can agree that there are always two sides to a story and somewhere in between is the truth.

      but with that in mind it still doesn’t excuse rob or the mint for their way of handling sbss customers, who pretty much enabled the mint to experience their recent ‘growth‘ and ‘success‘ that rob is cashing in on.

      there have been outstanding and delayed orders, selective treatment and shipment of said orders, lies about customer shipments, customer complaints ignored, shitty customer service, sub-par quality of certain rounds, incorrect rounds shipped, threats of collection for supposed shipment errors, new partners and coin launches before satisfying existing customers and coin designs, etc., etc., etc…

      and that doesn’t even include any details about some of the real shady shit rob and co. pulled behind closed doors.

      adam won’t see the same demand for his medallions and computer-aided designs as opposed to chris and his sculptress’ designs. adam’s round looks like ass and lacks any life or spark of creativity. so it’s highy possible his audience won’t experience the same issues as sbss customers, or that he won’t get fucked over by rob or M2, since his orders will be smaller and easier to handle and process, same goes for spirko and TSP.

      but considering with what’s gone down between rob and sbss, i wouldn’t necessarily count on it though… “cause ain’t no such things as halfway crooks” ~ Mobb Deep

      • al

        Interesting, thanks for your input. Yes, there’s a lot of fur flying, and as an impartial observer, ignorant of anything and everything that went on behind the scenes, I’m trying to piece it all together. I always liked SBSS videos and found them to be informative and very professionally done, but when Chris started to monetize his efforts with silver and prepping, I got a little turned off and even a little distrustful of his intentions. I’ve liked everything I’ve seen and read about the Mulligan Mint, but this dust-up with the SBSS audience is certainly a blemish. It’s probably largely a communication breakdown, and it’s hard to discern who’s primarily culpable, being on the outside. I’d like to believe both Chris and M2 are honest brokers, so it’s always a bummer when something like this happens… and happens so publicly. It would be great if we could all focus on what’s really important and who the real enemy is rather than engage in online squabbles.

        • intothevoid

          I always liked SBSS videos and found them to be informative and very professionally done, but when Chris started to monetize his efforts with silver and prepping, I got a little turned off and even a little distrustful of his intentions.

          i’m kinda with you on that one, i feel that it can open the door for greed to take over, as well as take time away from one’s true efforts and inner core being.

          for myself, i know that i am not here to support chris duane the salesman. i have supported his thoughts, works, and message since ’11 based on the intellectual value it provided, including the inital start-up with the sbss medallions because of the message associated with the designs.

          but similar to what you alluded to, i began to pull back from it once it started to become a numbers game, which in effect began to push the smaller stackers and newer audiences away.

          add in the ‘days of our lives’ shit with rob, unsatisfied customers, and chris defending the mint against other people’s judgment and it all became contradictory to the original message and intention i believe he had planned for this. and yeah, to new and existing audiences on the outer webs of the net, the sbss audience is certainly walking around with a black eye.

          i could be all wrong in my position as i don’t know chris’ true thoughts or feelings, but these are my own thoughts on this. and i understand a person has to make a living and have no problem with someone making a profit, but that doesn’t mean dollar/silver signs should blind a man’s vision or heart or turn him away from his original audience base. and that goes for anyone, not just chris or rob.

          but then again, i suppose we as an individuals have a choice whether to purchase or monetarily support any of his proposed ‘consumer goods’. regardless of that though, for those that do choose to become customers, there is still a responsibility by chris and anyone else involved in selling a good to take care of and respect that customer base, and in the case for sbss… M2 is obviously failing in this department.

          i would hope that chris has learned some valuable lessons here with this venture, remembers to stay grounded, and works towards not turning his back on or forgetting the very people who helped to create all of this ‘instant success’ that they both experienced with this.

          It would be great if we could all focus on what’s really important and who the real enemy is rather than engage in online squabbles.

          one can only hope and wish for that, in these dishonest and covetous times.

  • al

    Good points, I agree entirely. I didn’t buy any Freedom Girls, so I’m not embroiled in all this. I like the artistry and I like independent mints making their own hard money, but this one ended badly. I haven’t looked into Mulligan too hard yet, I need to research them some. Chris has no love for them, Adam Kokesh loves them (at least for now). I’d consider buying from Mulligan if I concluded Chris’ experience was an anomaly… especially if I were living in TX where hard currency is becoming much more popular.

    Good discussion. Most of those who question the current monetary paradigms are pretty reasonable, IMO… but, unfortunately, dispute do erupt at times.

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