Open Carry Video by Mark Dice

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26 comments to Open Carry Video by Mark Dice

  • Prudentis

    I live in Germany and gun rights for me are a bit like the speed limit on the Autobahn.
    I like driving 200 km/h and faster and I hate having to drive 120 when I am in Italy or France.
    But I know at the same time, that a speed limit on German Autobahns would eliminate many deadly accidents.
    I know I will make myself unpopular but American gun ownership laws are just too liberal. Your second amandement comes at a very costly price in humen lives and in the SHTF scenario it will get even worse.
    You see, we here in Germany have very few gun owners. I happen to be one of them, being a hunter. But you will not encounter armed people in german streets. None.
    Even your typical gangster will be only armed in very few cases.
    Germany has one of the lowest percentages of fire arm deaths compared to all homicides.
    But what is more important, we have less weapon deaths per weapons. 0,19 / 100.000 compared to the USA: 3,7–4,2 / 100.000
    One of the reasons being, that you have relatively strict rules considering owning and even mor strict rules considering carrying weapons.

    Now I have a question for you:
    Would you rather defend your home in the USA with your M16 against potential attackers all carrying the same weaponry or like me in Germany with a bolt action, a shotgun, a semi auto or a pistol (full autos are considered military weaponry and strictly forbidden in private hands) against gangsters highly probably only carrying knifes, sticks and the like?

    I know, there is the potential of confiscations but this is also possible for you in the US (see Katrina)

    Please share your thoughts, because I really like to understand how liberal gun laws can make a country safer … The statistics seem to speak another language.

  • Prudentis

    Sorry it’s 0,5-0,8 for Germany
    USA: 24.000–28.000 weapons per fire arms death
    Germany: 129.000–194.000 weapons per fire arms death

  • thankful

    In every incidence of concealed carry laws violent crime in particular goes down. In those towns where gun possession is restricted (like Wash DC and Illinois) the violent crime increases (as is the case with Australia’s recent gun ban). Gun laws are for law abiding citizens and not for criminals; they will have their guns regardless, and if we are forbidden to have them, all are fair game to rob, rape etc. But the sole purpose of the second amendment is to prevent tyranny of the state from overpowering the people with force. Like Hitler did remove guns, Like Stalin Did remove guns, Like all other dictator, must eliminate the populations ability to defend itself in order to have complete control.

    Judicious use and respect of firearms with good training and familiarity has also saved lives; there are countless times when women saved themselves from rape and death because they were armed or were able to get the weapon from their assailant and use it. It is the great equalizer; a tiny woman can protect herself from a large man who wants to rob her or do her harm.

    The Japanese did not want to directly invade America “because I would find a rifle behind every blade of grass”

    Here are some quotes from Thomas Jefferson regarding the second amendment;

    The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.-Thomas Jefferson

    The beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it.” -Thomas Jefferson

    “Laws that forbid the carrying of arms..disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed one.” – Thomas Jefferson quoting Cesare Beccaria, Criminologist in 1764. That was 230 years ago. -Thomas Jefferson

  • thankful

    Here are some FBI stats reiterating what I said above;
    Violent crime rates are highest overall in states with laws severely limiting or prohibiting the carrying of concealed firearms for self-defense”. (FBI Uniform Crime Reports, 1992)

    The total Violent Crime Rate is 26% higher in the restrictive states (798.3 per 100,000 pop.) than in the less restrictive states (631.6 per 100,000).

    The Homicide Rate is 49% higher in the restrictive states (10.1 per 100,000) than in the states with less restrictive CCW laws (6.8 per 100,000).

    The Robbery Rate is 58% higher in the restrictive states (289.7 per 100,000) than in the less restrictive states (183.1 per 100,000).

    The Aggravated Assault Rate is 15% higher in the restrictive states (455.9 per 100,000) than in the less restrictive states (398.3 per 100,000).

    Using FBI data (1992), homicide trends in the 17 states with less restrictive CCW laws compare favorably against national trends, and almost all CCW permittees are law-abiding.

    http://www.kc3.com/CCDW_Stats/fla_model.htm

  • Archangel

    The question is safer from whom? We would have to explain the UK violent crime stats if we’re basing things just on gun laws. The US is a unique place, with many complex social and economic issues driving crime rates. Liberal socioeconomic policies have a major factor in violent crime rates, gun related or not.I’m not worried about my fellow citizens taking arms up against me. The Second Amendment deals exclusively with the power of the people to defend themselves against an oppressive government. Would it have been different if a large percentage of the population in Germany was armed prior to the rise of the Nazi party? They would have inevitably begun confiscation, which would have put the nation into a full on revolution of the people vs. the government. Instead, a large majority surrendered themselves without a fight, with tragic results. The real issue is not legal gun ownership by law abiding citizens. It is our law enforcement and justice system’s failure to address crime and prosecute criminals properly.
    An unarmed citizen is called a subject. A revolution in the US would begin rapidly if large scale confiscation were to take place. The largest standing army in the world is comprised of US gun owners. This allows the government of the people to defend against any enemy, foreign or domestic. And because of this, I sleep soundly at night. Well, that and my 12ga with buckshot in it.

  • Archangel

    Maybe I’m wrong. Why didn’t more Jews revolt during the confiscation of guns in 1938? It must have more to do with the social consiousness of the people than the fact that they are armed. Comments welcome.

  • Archangel

    Thank you thankful for that information

  • Prudentis

    thankful (that’s what I am alos, for your comments 😉 )
    “In every incidence of concealed carry laws violent crime in particular goes down”
    Even the word “every” tells me, that this is a made up statement :)
    I won’t discuss the overall criminal rates you quote yet because I am sure there are much more relevant numbers, than gun laws for overall crime and I have yet to educate myself more on that matter.

    However I would like to discuss some of your other statements, wgich I recognised from other posts:
    “Gun laws are for law abiding citizens and not for criminals; they will have their guns regardless”
    This is plain wrong, as I have tried to show you with my examples from Germany. Poland, another very restrictive country having a much more aggresive population than Germany, still has almost no gun related homicides.
    It might be different in the US, as you can easily buy a gun and cross the state border. You can’t get the same safety in the US in an instant, because of the sheer number of weapons and ease of access. So yes, state level gun laws in the US are simply ineffective.
    I would still like you to try and see, how the US compares to Europe. I can assure you, that it is much harder to get hold of a weapon in Europe for a criminal than a law abiding citizen.

    “But the sole purpose of the second amendment is to prevent tyranny of the state from overpowering the people with force”
    I know that. And sadly, I doubt it will work. Again see Katrina. So what does the oppressive government do? Attack you somehow, so you can defend yourself? No, you will be disarmed before any kind of civil resistence can form.

    “Like Hitler did remove guns, Like Stalin Did remove guns”
    Oh my. First response and we’re already at Godwin’s law … :(
    I really hit a nerve here. And it is kind of sad, since you contradict the previous sentence by actually stated, that nazi Germany and communist Russia actually did disarm their people, before they were able to resist anything.

    “Judicious use and respect of firearms with good training and familiarity has also saved lives; there are countless times when women saved themselves from rape and death because they were armed or were able to get the weapon from their assailant and use it”

    I can see that and won’t argue it. Because I cannot carry in Europe I have extensive martial arts training.
    When you take it on a personal level, it makes sense. I would wager however, that the saved lives are somewhat offset by deaths caused by too vigorous self defense and fire arms accidents.

    With all respect to your second amandement, I still think, that modern societies with restrictive gun control are much safer than those without.

  • BlindersOff

    Doesn’t answer all the questions, but for a powerful look at history and ARMED Jews in the hell of Hilter’s rein see if you can find The Uprising. It is a powerful movie. I had it on VHS but time has destroyed the tapes. Worth viewing as is the newer film Defiance staring the newer James Bond actor…(forgot his name) FANTASTIC FILM… both films are true stories; and the second movie mentioned shows victory rather than a slow demise.

  • Prudentis

    Archangel your comments make sense.
    Still I am asking myself, if stricter laws regarding gun ownership could maybe shift the allocation of firearms from criminals to law abiding citizens?
    I actually hate that I can’t own a silencer, an automatic rifle, can only have two handguns etc, etc. but on the other hand, I fear that decreasing regulations, especially who gets guns, might end up putting too many firearms in criminals’ hands.
    And what about a SHTF scenario? Is it really better, if everyone is armed?

  • Prudentis

    And guys, I don’t want to be misunderstood.
    I own guns, shoot guns and would use them to defend myself and my family.
    I am not some kind of proponent of excessive gun control.
    But I am asking myself if it isn’t infact like the Autobahn thing. Because I like to do a thing and I do it safely doesn’t automatically mean that others do too.

  • Fred

    It’s certainly a positive exercise to contemplate the issue. But I think to look at the issue strictly based on the statistics about violence with guns would be like the leftist argument that capitalism is to blame for the worlds financial woes. Obviously most on this forum would agree that we do not have free-market capitalism in this country, we have crony-capitalism, where the insiders ARE to blame for the imminent economic disaster facing the world.

    It must be deeper than the issue of stricter or more lenient gun control. The question that I ask is what is causing cultivation of the criminal activity in the first place? I think that this question would likely lead to the answer that SOL has already dealt with at length. The control system that criminalizes, penalizes, taxes, monopolizes, and castrates the individual to the point that many feel they have no choice but to resort to criminal activity to “survive”. The best example of this is obviously the drug war in the US. The government educates kids about drugs, and then sells it to them on the black market. Then they put them in jail. And the cycle goes round and round.

    Anyway, thanks for the different point of view.

  • Cunning Linguist

    @ Prudentis

    Would you feel better if every murder was commited by someone getting their head bashed in with a baseball bat? What then outlaw ball bats? But seriously, if the government were to suddenly recall all firearms tomorrow. Are the criminals going to bring theirs down to police headquarters too. I think not.

    In a perfect world there would be no such thing as murder, but alas it’s a flawed world we live in, guns and all.
    In the meantime I sleep better at night knowing I can defend my family from any dirtbags who should break into my home.

    I don’t know how many you can take out at one time with your kung-fu. But as for me a 30 round mag.(s) gives me pretty good odds against a large group of hostiles.

  • thankful

    @ Prudentis;

    Godwin’s law; ah, we are not allowed to have him in a list of dictators any more? Is this censorship? Ok here are others that killed after guns were controlled.

    1911 Turkey – 1.5 million killed after gun control.
    1929 the Soviet Union approximately 20 million executed.
    1935 China over 20 million murdered by the Communists.
    1956 Cambodia over one million people were executed
    1964 Guatemala 100,000 Mayan Indians killed
    1970 the Ugandan dictator over 300,000 Christians were murdered.

    This was another great site;
    http://americainchains2009.wordpress.com/2010/01/24/dictators-and-gun-control/

    Fair enough, but not made up. The use of “every” meaning every incidence I’ve read of which has been a number, again vague, I’ll work on that :-). I’ll have to get my notes out to get an exact count.

    Even if you have very restrictive laws; that will not stop the criminal element here because they already have their supplies and we have such corruption that they would never get rid of them. It just wouldn’t work. You know, like with us converting to the metric system!

    Yes, I saw Katrina, which woke a lot of people out of their slumber. The camp setups, the reporters who were refused to talk to members of said camps, the gun confiscations that people unknowingly allowed. It started the Oath Keepers to reinforce that they will not obey orders to confiscate weapons, among other parts of their oath to uphold the constitution, and two months after Hurricane Katrina, the Louisiana legislature–with only one dissenting vote–adopted a resolution declaring “the policy of the state of Louisiana to protect and uphold the citizens’ right to keep and bear arms in their residences, businesses, and means of transport, and on their persons,” condemning the seizure of firearms from New Orleans citizens, and announcing it planned to amend Louisiana’s emergency powers law “to rectify the denial of these rights.”4 Since then, 21 additional states have joined Louisiana by passing laws to protect the rights of law-abiding gun owners by prohibiting the confiscation of firearms during a time of emergency.
    http://www.nraila.org/issues/factsheets/read.aspx?id=191

    The Heller supreme court case also affirmed the individual right to bear arms.

    Here is a good second amendment activist site with cases etc. http://www.saf.org

    Katrina won’t happen again. We’re awake now. No one will give up their arms without a fight here, not knowing what’s on the horizon you’d be crazy. It’s just not happening. It goes too deep – like the foot and the inch

    I know a lot of Germans did resist the oppression in the 1940’s, and paid dearly for it, and many helped those in need and had an underground who saved lives from persecution, bringing those persecuted to be protected at the Vatican and other places to get them out of the country. They hid people in their homes much to their own risk of life. It is very difficult to resist armed tyranny though if you only have pitchforks. You don’t have a chance, except through prayer. Not all of us have marshal arts training. And even that has to be registered here. If you have a black belt you have to register with the state, you are held to greater standards of control of your actions, knowing you can hurt someone more easily, just like our military men who are trained to kill.

    And your opinion is certainly valid. But here it won’t be undone. Not without a fight. We are just that stubborn. Just like the metric system, you may have some people convert and promote the idea, but it’s in our blood its part of the landscape, it’s part of who we are.

  • thankful

    @Fred; Don’t forget the breaking up of families, the inability to discipline children properly at schools and in the home and the destruction of the moral code of the country, that has a lot to do with it too.

  • rainmaker

    Prudentis, you are making great points and have people thinking and talking. You speak like one of our politicians (actually forgive me for being rude,that was an unfair comparison, but stay with me here on the point) that infer we should limit or eliminate the second amendment or more severly regulate or restrict it. The main problem is identifying the criminal element. In the US, our criminals are created (to some extent) by a perverse judiciary that is empowered by a corrupt legislative and executive. As Thankful has indicated, we will not give up those rights without a fight, as did our founding fathers when King George tried to institute “gun control” of the colonies. The enemies of Freedom are everywhere and the Tyrannists want to take our guns. Not to make society safer (nice tag line though) but so that the elitists can control every aspect of our lives. We do not need more laws. We just want to be left alone.

  • Silverfox

    All great comments. Thanks to all.
    California played out a great exercise in this movement.

    Can I suggest we should plan a date and do this in every city in America on the same day at the same time. Wow.

  • lastmanstanding

    prudentsis…thank God that you live in germany and can drive a car fast…please mind your own business.

  • lastmanstanding

    All…people kill people…liberal gun laws don’t mean shit…Hey, lets ban baseball bats, hammers, lumber, cars, books, sex, internet, etc.

    Look at what is happening. peace would be good…It will not be an option…for a while.

  • RealityChick

    It would have been interesting if the reporter in the video asked folks how they would feel if they saw police/military walking the streets in groups as opposed to regular citizens? Video at 6:47 – “They trust us citizens, law abiding, more than they trust the cops.” BINGO!

  • Prudentis

    Thats why I still come here …
    A few difficult questions and look at all the great responses I got (well except lastmanstanding who wants me to leave :) )

    Cunning Linguist, I am fully aware, that martial arts training is only useful against unarmed or lightly armed opponents. Guns, bows, heck, even a sling would be a deadly disadvantage if the attacker means it and stays at a distance. And yes, I am registered and if I injure someone even in self defense, the judge would treat my self defense like I was armed. But as my sensei always says:
    I’d rather explain why I broke the attacker’s arm and jaw to the judge than to explain why I have a hole in my chest to my doctor.
    And for inhouse defense I have my good old reliable 9mm SIG p210 and a shotgun.
    I had to become a hunter to be allowed to own those.

    thankful:
    It was just funny, that the first response already mentioned Hitler. I guess Americans use nazi references much more freele than we here in Germany :)
    And I wasn’t aware of those Louisiana policies. That is serious stuff.

    You see I have done some more research and found out that in Germany of the estimated 20-30 million privately held guns almost half is illegal!

    And your points about “encouragement” of criminal behavior by the government policies, expecially drug laws, seem very plausible, when you see statistics for Colombia or Equador …
    Then there is Switzerland, where every cizizen gets to keep his army rifle after is service and they do not seem to have higher homicide rates … I think they are even lower than in Germany. Well they have mor firearm suicides but well, it’s just the acces to the “tool” in that case.

  • Prudentis

    rainmaker
    I am not offended, because I was aware to some extent, that I would get some harsh responses. So far I am relieved, that the discussion has remained very civil.
    Me sounding like one of your anti-gun politicians … well sometimes you have to put a stick into an anthill :)
    But seriously, I guess that is, because I have repeated some of the common perceptions of Germans about American gun laws. And now I see how much influence policy making has on national level perception. I am not immune to outside “programming” even though I try to break free from all forms of mid control. It isn’t easy.
    You should see how my wife reacts, when I pull out my guns to clean them or to prepare for a hunting trip. She stiffens and gets this weird look on her face. And she is really afraid of our kids even seeing the firearms.
    Funny thing though, my daughters take it pretty cool. It’s just dad’s tools for hunting animals … Their indoctrination hasn’t progressed that far yet.

    I guess the only point that remains for me after this discussion is, if there is a way to limit criminals’ access to guns without limiting your 2nd amendment rights?

  • rainmaker

    Prudentis, you are a good sport and rather affable. The answer to your question regarding how do we limit criminal access to guns without limiting 2nd amendment rights it a tricky one. First thing, we already have a bunch of laws that if enforced with appropriate penalties would eliminate the issue completely. We do not need more laws that are not enforced and instead used to subbue the populace instead of criminals. Second thing, criminals can commit crime and cause death without having guns and they are not prosecuted either. Heck, most of them get re-elected or are appointed to a public position or on a specific board of directors :-) Let me address “common perceptions of Germans about American gun laws.” Those perceptions come from a propaganda machine that wants to enslave humanity (Americans are all John Wayne types, yada, yada, yada) Its the same propaganda machine that desensitizes Americans to to countless uneccesary conflicts (wars) we are involved in by rationalizing colonialism at all costs. (By the by, NATO and the UE are all willing participants, albeit with different spin propaganda-wise) We could dance like this all day. The bottom line is that the World is run by corrupt politicians who answer to unethical Corporate and Special Interests who in turn answer to a very select few (CFR, Bilderbergers, Trilateral Commission, UN, IMF, etc., etc.) and humanity, all 6.8 billion of us, would rather debate the issues based on the Hegelian Dialectic instead of actually addressing and standing up to the Elite few that laugh at us while we blame and castigate each other instead of directly addressing the root cause. We are like sheep complaining about our circumstances and who has a better way than whom whilst standing in line on the way to the butcher. All the butcher hears is “baa, baa’ baa.” Half of us, regardless of race, religion or nationistic pride want the same thing, Freedom, Liberty, the right of self determination without being taxed to death and to be left alone. The other half, wants to tell the Freedom loving half what to do, where to work, how to act, what to eat and how much to be taxed so that their half can distribute however to whomever and not to have to take any responsibility for production. There is going to be a culling of the herd, but those that are left are going to be very pissed off. Lets hope that includes you and I. You can share my foxhole anytime.

  • Prudentis

    Hey rainmaker, thanks for those kind words.
    We have moved to a much broader discussion now so let me just conclude the firearm debate with me taking back my opening statement that “American gun laws are too liberal”.
    I have much new information now to work with and after all that is what I was looking for. One of the most importand arguements is that more laws are most probably not a viable solution.

  • rainmaker

    Sorry Prudentis, I got carried away. You git the gist. Gubmint ain’t gonna save any of us. Not yours, not mine, not anyones, mostly because they are shills for the same psychopaths that want it all. Keep stacking and keep reloading. 😉

  • FYI, a Federal lawsuit to overturn the California ban on openly carrying a Loaded firearm will be filed on December 15th.

    http://CaliforniaRightToCarry.org/Press/CRTC10262011.html

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